Maxie Allen and Rosalind Levine arrested - The vindictiveness of the school and police overreach

"they have purposely omitted information"
I'm still not sure where you are getting this from but even if so, if it was really abusive or whatever the school had legal advice to say they could be arrested for and to call in the cops, why has that not gone further? The police said they found nothing. I am so confused as to why you persist in suggesting there is more to this when the police have actually said there isn't any evidence to charge.

I have not said what you just stated. You have lied and made something up to gain attention on here. I have never said schools never do things wrong. Ever.

As I stated please copy and paste where I said that schools have never acted unprofessionally or done things wrong. Again you are fabricating things because you think there is no middle ground.

So if I disagree I think all schools are perfect which I have never said. Complete fabrication.

Nope I didn't say that the school cannot have behaved badly. I have not even commented on if the school has behaved well or not. I have made no judgement on the school and their behaviour as we are yet to see what the parents have done as they have purposely omitted information. I have clearly stated they are within their rights to act if what has happened breaches the law. Which legally they are within their rights to do so to protect staff. So if you think me stating facts about the schools legal right and the school having a legal team is me saying schools never get it wrong then you are very much mistaken.

Schools do get it wrong sometimes. The people in schools are human. You are now pissed that I have said that and agreed with you!

Yes schools do have a legal team. That is the case and they do not act on legal issues without legal consultation. I have not said there is no way they would've over reacted. I have said that they would consult their legal team.

You think they over-reacted because you have gone off what the parents have said despite them keeping some information back and you've read the partial information and accepted it at face value. Because I am critical of why the parents would hide some information, you think I believe no school ever over react despite never saying such a thing.

Parents do not get banned for just asking questions, that is the truth. This is not what happened here though is it? They are not banned for asking questions. The parents themselves accept they have been badly behaved towards the staff and wanted to continue when asked to stop as it was causing distress. That is not asking a question.

I'm not even sure if you're serious right now?!

You've repeatedly stated that the school cannot have behaved badly because there is no way a school would call the police if there wasn't enough evidence, that they would have had legal advice and that there is no way they would have overreacted in order to intimidate parents. It's in the first line of your quote "Parents do not get banned for just asking questions".

You can't even see the irony of some of your posts.

I have not been aggressive at all! I have been matter of fact and stated very clearly the facts as we see them and without knowing part of the information which has been omitted on purpose I would like to know why that has been.

If you take that as rude then by all means. At no point have I been ready to attack anyone or have attacked anyone. That is a lie. Maybe you are being as others are suggesting the DHT as being - thin-skinned to criticism of the case.

Being childish in disagreeing with people? What a sad state of affairs when those bleating on about freedom of speech cannot cope with someone exercising that right to speak freely on a topic and debate. When others have name called me, when others have fabricated things about me and have blatantly lied, I have a right to respond to them and correct them.

What does me debating have anything to do with teachers?

I hope you're not a teacher, whippy1981, throughout this thread you have been rude, aggressive, disingenuous and childish in your debating style.

I do think schools sometimes do things illegal and behave badly or unacceptable ways.

Why are you lying and making that up?

Could you please post where I have said this or else accept that you lied and fabricated things and went for the dramatic to try and pretend to others that I think this?

So there is nothing the school did that meets the definition of bullying. Some ppl have no idea and rattle out the word when someone gets upset. It doesn't mean hurty feelings! The school put in consequences or are you suggesting they bully all kids when they give out detentions?

The acting head did not give instructions not to discuss the school business. Clearly the letter has been misunderstood by yourself as that doesn't say that at all.

Glad you agree they cannot say things without limits. Meaning at some point that limit was breached and the school acted. While schools have a duty of care to safeguard kids they also have a duty of care to safeguard staff too. If someone is putting the staff at risk of harm then they can and will act. They also do not act on a whim. They have a legal team which they consult who also writes legal letters so this will have been shared with the legal team before consulting with the police.

The police did NFA but they didn't say no evidence. They said insufficient evidence. That means insufficient for a prosecution. Meaning the CPS were not satisfied there was enough to get a reasonable chance at prosecution. So yes they did have some just not enough. So you are wrong in saying they had none.

By all means send me a letter and it might be wise to leave MN if you are unable to cope with someone on a debating forum debating with you!

Ahh so as you now admit the parents ignored it and carried on! Carry on with harassing the member of staff! Well at least you accept they continued!

I am making no decisions about the parents at all so on that you are wrong. I am just not believing parents, I am being critical of what I am seeing as what they have said doesn't add up. The police said NFA. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. The police NFA'd my rape but that still happened and I had evidence. Just because police NFA something doesn't mean it hadn't happened. So no again you cannot say it didn't happen. It the police NFA something then that means neither you nor I know yet you are blindly stating you know what was in those CPS documents without it being released.

You admitted they continued when told to stop meaning if they did it twice after being told to stop that legally meets harassment. So no not a 'fantasy' as you put it, if that is you trying to label me as mental then that labels you firmly as being something in this society!

Oh that old chestnut? Why do you ask? Because I do not believe the same as you so anyone who does you have to try labelling them as the person involved in this? What an unusual thing to do. That would be called deflection to try and label me. Is there a reason why you think all who disagree with you and think critically are the DHT?

If you cannot cope with debating step away from MN. People in life will disagree with you and you do know that is ok. It is also OK for people not to accept things when they do not add up. For you you accept anything that others say as the truth and that is ok. You have a right to believe as have I.

It is ok for people to be critical of others when things do not add up as it is ok for you to believe what you see. You do know this, right?

If you find this concept a bit too tough then maybe do not debate. Surround yourself with people who agree with you.

You don't think schools have ever done illegal things or behaved in a way that is unacceptable?

I'd really love to have your conviction and naivety.

Whippy

You do not understand what bullying is then. Nope bullying is repeatedly doing things on purpose to cause harm. This arrest was one event and with the aim to prevent harm. Again you lack understanding of what bullying is.

I see that it is you who doesn't understand the word bullying. They did nothing with the intent of causing fear, or harm. The acting head did, by ordering parents not to discuss school business, lwith the threat of arrest and actually having the couple arrested.

Also she is not asking people to stop arguing with her. By all means do it, you are going against what you believe in that you think that anyone can say what they want to anyone no matter what.

I didn't say that they can say what they like, without limits. As you know, the Police found no evidence of wrong doing, yet you persist in your fantasy that they are libellous bullies. You are arguing with no facts.

Letters informing people to stop are the norm.

If that's the case, I could, if I wished, send you a letter, instructing you to stop disagreeing with me. And you'd be perfectly legally entitled to roll your eyes and ignore it, just as the parents did.

Quite why you persist in pretending that the parents were in the wrong is mystifying. The Police found no case to answer, there was no bullying or harassment.

Are you the former acting hea?

I can’t fathom what the police were thinking being so heavy handed in their initial response. The WhatsApp messages (that we’ve seen) did seem fairly time.

But I have to say, the parents also look like they’re a bloody pain in the arse to deal with 😂 I’m not saying this was handled well, but my condolences to any future teachers dealing with them.

They also look like they’re the type of people who would be rude to waiting staff and baristas. Just a v judgmental hunch.

This! Parents do not get banned for just asking questions. Parents get banned for aggression, threats, defamation, false allegations etc. Most schools put up with a lot before banning a parent.

Schools also have legal advisors who they also run things past before anything like this. The legal team will have been notified about this before the police were contacted. They will have advised on both the letters and the action. They likely would've written the letter themselves as is also the norm.

The problem is that the school cannot give their side of the story fully, we are only getting the oarents' version.
I will say it is unusual for parents to be banned from site. Publishing disparaging and untrue information even in a private WhatsApp amounts to defamation, which whilst not a crime is unlawful and distressing and I think would justify a ban.
School staff take instructions on how to handle a child's medical condition from health professionals not parents for very obvious reasons. Having a central point of contact, such as a specific email address means that information is disseminated effectively to everyone who needs to know.
The decision to send 6 police officers, and to arrest the parents was made by the police, not the school.

How did they make it hard for the kid to go there? They could communicate via email and they did. Repeatedly.

There are consequences to actions and sadly these days many parents cannot handle that they have to have consequences. The schools warned them that should they continue this would be the consequence, as they do when children bully others. Stop it or there will be a sanction. They said they wouldn't so then there was a consequence. That is not bullying or do you think schools bully bullies when they say stop bullying or you will be suspended? Is that bullying the bully by saying stop harming other children?

Sadly these days many parents cry about consequences their children get! They cry if their kids get told not to bring fizzy pop into school. They cry about not following uniforms. We've seen all the daily fail sad faces in September that they run each year from parents who cannot handle consequences. They cannot handle following basic rules within society.

There are harassment and defamation laws specifically to protect people from harm. People are well within their rights to report harassment and defamation if it occurs.

How is it scary? If you are a mature adult and go about your business without aggression, name calling, false allegations, threats etc then there is no fear involved. If you do go about dealing with the school as some parents do with aggression, threats, false allegations and name calling etc then sanctions and consequences have to be put in place to protect people from harm.

Didn't they make it hard for their kid to go there, as well as not been able to communicate without emailing prior to that despite clear special needs of the child, which they were then told not to do (it seems?) resulting in the child having had to leave the school before sending police to arrest them without evidence? That is not just one event! How can you not see why this is scary to most families?

You do not understand what bullying is then. Nope bullying is repeatedly doing things on purpose to cause harm. This arrest was one event and with the aim to prevent harm. Again you lack understanding of what bullying is.

Also she is not asking people to stop arguing with her. By all means do it, you are going against what you believe in that you think that anyone can say what they want to anyone no matter what.

Letters informing people to stop are the norm. And no I wouldn't feel intimidated as I wouldn't be making defamatory comments about the teachers I would be mature and deal with any problem in a rational manner. So I would think it doesn't apply to me and continue about my day. Only those acting aggressive and defamatory and harming teachers would feel bothered by this.

Also why is it a problem - teachers can say what they want, right? freedom of speech? I mean surely it applies to all no?

Teachers cannot be called thin skinned when this is the norm to be complained about and face criticism. Jesus you've never seen the MIT team in a school if you think teachers react to parents saying they don't like them! Give over! Parents say that daily! Many are bullies and get off on saying that to teachers. Teachers mock them in the staffroom! I think others are the thin skinned ones crying this is bullying over a bit of paper!

Being angry is a positive emotion and makes change happen. Maybe try it some time.

Whippy

This is not bullying into silence.

Yes, yes it absolutely is. She threatened to have one mother arrested, for questioning her. The mother backed down. That was the acting head bullying her into silence.

Maybe learn what bullying is.

Physician, heal thyself

She threatened one mam with her goon squad and actually set them on another set of parents. That is the very definition of bullying. You are performing DARVO here.

Her letter of intimidation has absolutely no legal force whatsoever. If I sent you a letter, ordering you to stop arguing with me, or else I'd send some weight lifters round to grip you, would you feel intimidated?

I would, if I were to receive such a letter, despite knowing that there was no legally defensible reason behind it.

That's exactly what this angry, ranting, thin skinned teacher has done.

wrong post!

This is truly nuts that they even sent this. It’s even more nuts that they doubled down and called the police. Even more nuts that the police acted on it without even looking into it

I don’t think the WhatsApp group was even libelous. Tbh it was fairly tame. I’ve certainly seen a lot worse.

The worst thing they said was to call the deputy head a “control freak”. That’s unlikely to be sufficient to be libelous and even if it was it could be legally justified (as being true/ in the public interest/etc).

people don’t need to keep their criticisms of public bodies private and they shouldn’t be forced to do so under threat of arrest. That’s the scary thing here to me.

We are yet to see as the parents have omitted messages and only shown us a few later on ones! She has a legal right to report things that breach the law same as if you did it to someone else.

If she cannot abide criticism then she would be losing her rag daily as the job is all about criticism. There are no positives given in that job so that clearly isn't the case is it or else all parents would say that she does this every day and so would the colleagues and she would not be in the job.

This is not bullying into silence. Maybe learn what bullying is. Interesting you say the parents have a right to say what they want but when the schools says something it is bullying? So you mean you want the parents to have the right to abuse staff and the school to just take it and never respond as freedom of speech is only one way in your eyes?

I'm not arguing against them expressing feelings. You are wrong there.

You would do as you normally would - deal with it maturely and speak to the school in a reasonable manner as normal folk should do.

Act like billy big bollocks and you'll likely get the same response.

The school have very clearly said there were multiple in the letter. The s on the end of their words mean it is plural. Not sure how hot you are on grammar. So one 'insult' is clearly not it. Harassment is also more than one legally by law so there had to have been more than one for the police to actually act.

Not just the mother! Imagine having an issue with the school now and seeing what happened to this family? How on earth would you proceed with any complaint? You clearly aren't allowed to ask anyone else if they have the same issue.

Whippy

The letter clearly says do not post defamatory things about members of staff.

What was defamatory? Nothing. She clearly is a control freak; she also has absolutely no legal right to control and compell the speech of others.

Why did she lose her rag?

I'm going to follow suit and speculate:

She's a thin skinned control freak, who cannot abide criticism for her evident faults and wanted to bully the mother into silence.