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Maxie Allen and Rosalind Levine arrested - The vindictiveness of the school and police overreach

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Everanewbie · 01/04/2025 08:45

AIBU to worry that this type of incident seems to be happening more and more? To me, there are several concerning aspects to this story. Here is a link if you aren't yet aware.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/29/parents-arrested-by-hertfordshire-police-for-complaining-about-daughters-school

Firstly, the apparent opaqueness of a public organisation and attempts to shut down private conversation and the vindictiveness the school has shown in attempting to silence this couple.

Secondly, the treatment of the pupil whereby she is being dropped off an escorted into school, and inability to discuss he disability and SEN with teachers, leading to multiple emails that were ultimately used against the couple.

And thirdly, WTF are the police doing? 6 Officers to arrest a meek professional couple, in front of their daughter. Holding them in a cell for 11 hours? Why are the police not dismissing this out of hand? I have always tried to be a supporter of the police, but how can reasonable people continue to accept this when they wont attend a burglary or detain shoplifters, but turn up in force for a middle class couple who called a governor a control freak in a private conversation?

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Onceuponatimethen · 19/11/2025 21:57

You said they had admitted their comms were spicy. I don’t think they have said anything of the sort.

You also said they had admitted they had bombarded the school with comms. They have not admitted anything other than sending emails. They have admitted nothing about the volume being inappropriate.

It was really inappropriate to suggest they had.

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2025 21:24

But none of the article says they admitted what you say they admitted?

Which bit of "sending the school 80-odd emails, moaning about them on social media, trying to interfere with the appointment of a new head and getting a mate on the council to also email the school." is untrue, specifically?

SinnerBoy · 19/11/2025 10:24

80 emails, over a long period and the school frequently didn't reply usefully, or helpfully. The head was appointed in breach of the rule to advertise the job. The school ordered the parents, with zero legal authority, not to discuss the case.

They then set the Police on them and you still think, despite overwhelming evidence, that the parents are on the wrong.

Onceuponatimethen · 19/11/2025 06:52

I am particularly surprised to see you post like that given that I think you started a thread about stronger moderation to ensure more pleasant debate on mn.

Onceuponatimethen · 19/11/2025 06:52

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2025 01:15

But none of the article says they admitted what you say they admitted? What they have admitted is that they questioned the recruitment process and commented on the school. You have really mischaracterised their admissions and should really ask to get your post deleted as it isn’t accurate.

If your view is that they may have underplayed what they did that is one thing, but actually you don’t have any evidence that they did that, so you should be posting that you feel they could have done it, not that they admitted it.

It is really important to remember that not all schools or staff act honestly or fairly, even though the vast majority of schools and teachers do behave well. It is not illegal for parents to question schools or criticise what they do.

Onceuponatimethen · 19/11/2025 01:01

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2025 22:25

They admitted everything in my post.

Is there a link to this. I haven’t seen this admitted?

noblegiraffe · 19/11/2025 00:50

SinnerBoy · 19/11/2025 00:40

You exaggerated what they said and put your own spin on it. Why would the cops cough up, if your interpretation is true?

You don't think they downplayed what they did?

The cops coughed up because they arrested people in a heavy-handed way who didn't meet the threshold for arrest. That doesn't mean they didn't do anything bad, particularly when they had already admitted to sending the school 80-odd emails, moaning about them on social media, trying to interfere with the appointment of a new head and getting a mate on the council to also email the school.

SinnerBoy · 19/11/2025 00:40

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2025 22:25

They admitted everything in my post.

You exaggerated what they said and put your own spin on it. Why would the cops cough up, if your interpretation is true?

Valeriekat · 19/11/2025 00:38

WhatAPrettyHouse · 01/04/2025 09:12

You are the one that mentioned them being middle class. I don't think that their perceived class is relevant. Obviously you do.

I assume because middle class families are usually quite meek with both schools and police and generally expect to have easy relationships with the school and none at all with the police.

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2025 22:25

SinnerBoy · 18/11/2025 22:20

It's entirely possible to see it from another point of view if you get really drunk, put a bag over your head and twirl round a dozen times, before asking a friend to hire you on thd head with a rubber mallet. Whilst pretending that the Police didn't say mo case to answer and give them 20 grand to bugger off.

They admitted everything in my post.

SinnerBoy · 18/11/2025 22:20

It's entirely possible to see it from another point of view if you get really drunk, put a bag over your head and twirl round a dozen times, before asking a friend to hire you on thd head with a rubber mallet. Whilst pretending that the Police didn't say mo case to answer and give them 20 grand to bugger off.

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2025 18:17

Yes, the police definitely haven't covered themselves in glory recently.

Did the other stupid arrests also receive compensation?

TheKeatingFive · 18/11/2025 18:09

Namechangetry · 18/11/2025 17:42

They sent 6 police officers to arrest a parent in front of their toddler, for what's app messages. And 5 armed police to arrest Graham Linehan as he stepped off a plane, for tweets. A woman was arrested for taking a photo of a sticker, another for having a poster on her door. But if you have your bike nicked from the station carpark, they won't even bother looking at the CCTV. The police and their acting as a personal security service for people with hurty feelings needs seriously taking in hand.

100% agree. Truly ridiculous behaviour.

Namechangetry · 18/11/2025 17:42

They sent 6 police officers to arrest a parent in front of their toddler, for what's app messages. And 5 armed police to arrest Graham Linehan as he stepped off a plane, for tweets. A woman was arrested for taking a photo of a sticker, another for having a poster on her door. But if you have your bike nicked from the station carpark, they won't even bother looking at the CCTV. The police and their acting as a personal security service for people with hurty feelings needs seriously taking in hand.

Everanewbie · 18/11/2025 17:08

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2025 15:04

Or maybe the couple were a massive pain in the arse, bombarding the school with emails, roping in a councillor mate to also email the school because of their 'issues' with the appointment of a headteacher, they had to be banned from the school site because they were being a nuisance and then they moaned about it on WhatsApp to all their mates. Then the school, in an attempt to actually be allowed to get on with their jobs without having to deal with all that shit every day asked the police 'is there anything that can be done about this?'.

You see, it's entirely possible to picture this scenario entirely differently.

Yes, that is a fair point. Without being in the room and hearing the conversations, we'll never know.

The police should never have gone in with the 'arrest and detain now, ask questions later' approach for a simple pain in the arse. Even the most pro-school advocate here would surely think a police discussion with the couple about the potential for straying into harassment territory would have been more than sufficient, although still overreach in my book.

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noblegiraffe · 18/11/2025 15:04

Or maybe the couple were a massive pain in the arse, bombarding the school with emails, roping in a councillor mate to also email the school because of their 'issues' with the appointment of a headteacher, they had to be banned from the school site because they were being a nuisance and then they moaned about it on WhatsApp to all their mates. Then the school, in an attempt to actually be allowed to get on with their jobs without having to deal with all that shit every day asked the police 'is there anything that can be done about this?'.

You see, it's entirely possible to picture this scenario entirely differently.

Everanewbie · 18/11/2025 10:40

Swiftie1878 · 18/11/2025 09:20

The arrest evidently went too far, but they don’t come out of it well and will not have learned any lessons, which is a shame.

I think the opposite, I think the couple have come out well given the admission from the police and the crime commissioner.

While I agree that the school didn't make the arrest, they were the ones running to the police telling tells, and thus recruited the power of the state in an attempt to make their inconvenience go away. The police should have told them to go away and deal with their problems properly, as they should as a taxpayer funded institution, but the school were vindictive and calculating.

In fact, I can picture the governors and (interim!) headteacher sat around plotting what to, when one pipes up and says "I know, we'll get them under the malicious communications act!" Unfortunately, the police decided to park all those burglaries and muggings, and oblige the scheming so and so's when they should have been told to stick it up their jumper.

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Gherkintastic · 18/11/2025 09:40

I expect the school were trying to off roll their daughter, given that she is disabled. It seems shocking and unbelievable, but having been on the receiving end of this behavior from a school I know it goes on.

Swiftie1878 · 18/11/2025 09:20

Everanewbie · 18/11/2025 09:16

Yes, but robust criticism and argumentativeness is not a police matter, and never should be.

The arrest evidently went too far, but they don’t come out of it well and will not have learned any lessons, which is a shame.

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2025 09:19

Everanewbie · 18/11/2025 09:16

Yes, but robust criticism and argumentativeness is not a police matter, and never should be.

Then that is on the police to inform the school and not for the police to then go and arrest the people then say 'whoops, we shouldn't have done that'. It is not the school's fault that the police fucked up and don't know their jobs.

Everanewbie · 18/11/2025 09:16

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2025 08:16

As far as I can tell, the police fucked up by arresting two people who didn't meet the threshold for arrest.

That doesn't mean that the school lied about their behaviour, just that it didn't meet the threshold of criminality.

The parents admit bombarding the school with emails and posting 'spicy' messages about staff on social media,

Yes, but robust criticism and argumentativeness is not a police matter, and never should be.

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noblegiraffe · 18/11/2025 08:16

SinnerBoy · 18/11/2025 07:33

They lied and lied and lied and made a false complaint to the Police. Do keep up.

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As far as I can tell, the police fucked up by arresting two people who didn't meet the threshold for arrest.

That doesn't mean that the school lied about their behaviour, just that it didn't meet the threshold of criminality.

The parents admit bombarding the school with emails and posting 'spicy' messages about staff on social media,

LancashireButterPie · 18/11/2025 08:12

What the hell is going on with public services?
The NHS and Social services have the same level of arrogance. I know several of my patients have been banned from their GP for "rudeness". These are complex/ anxious patients who were probably costing the practice quite a bit. GP gets fed up of dealing with them and issues a ban.

I also know someone else who's child developed a stutter, and was then referred to social services by a school speech therapist who "thought it might be sexual abuse".

SinnerBoy · 18/11/2025 07:33

noblegiraffe · 17/11/2025 13:52

What for? The school didn't arrest them and don't have control over who the police arrest?

They lied and lied and lied and made a false complaint to the Police. Do keep up.

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