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To think DH shouldn't have dropped off MIL

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gollyimholly · 01/04/2025 05:45

Just wondering if I'm being unfair as I don't want to be.

DH and I hosted a dinner over the weekend. We have a 2 year and I'm a SAHM. MIL and SIL were invited. It was all a bit last minute (for me at least) and was organised on Wednesday earlier in the week. I spent the next couple of days shopping and buying gifts (Mother's Day, Eid etc) and cooking. It wasn't easy at DD is extra clingy at the moment and seems to only want to be around me. The night before the dinner ended up being an all nighter for both DH and I (me: cooking, DH: decorating and cleaning)

MIL and SIL live an hour away from us by car (and about the same by train). Neither drive and neither did DH until a couple of years ago. At the end of the dinner he asked me if it would be OK to drop them off home. It was 10.30pm - DD had still not had dinner, she was still awake, I was shattered and I really could have done with DH staying home to help clear up the post party chaos too.

When MIL usually comes DH will pick her up from her house and bring her over. I always do find it a bit stressful as it means leaving DD with me (she is 2) and I need to keep the house in a tidy state and get food sorted impending arrival of MIL. He will also drop her off. I am usually exhausted as I'm the one who is sorting out the food and for me when the guests leave, I could really do with DH being home.

MIL is 67, fit and healthy physically. I suspect some MH but not sure as DH says nothing is wrong. She won't take public transport alone, generally won't leave home unless someone is with her. English isn't her first language but then she did raise her children with only English and I personally would describe her as fluent. I have noticed though that she cannot follow conversation if the sentence structure is a bit complex. She also has no idea of where things are geographically - I don't mean just London, I mean countries. However, given then family have only ever used public transport and taxis, I would have thought it OK for MIL to go home in a taxi at least. DH says she doesn't like the smells or how restricted she is in one eg. can't have a conversation without feeling like the driver is listening.

AIBU to have wanted DH to just get MIL a taxi home on this particular occasion as I was just flat out exhausted from the dinner and the prep the days before. He also hadn't made sure DD had had dinner whilst I spent most of the evening in the kitchen, which meant I had do sort it out too. He was only gone for 2 hours but it was a busy 2 hours where lots needed doing and I would have appreciated the extra pair of hands.

Also, so as not to drip feed. I ALWAYS host my ILs. They never organise anything at their own place for special occasions and it's getting increasingly more tiring with DD. I feel like if she was older she could be more independent etc but right now she does need me and I find it tough to manage it all. I generally don't have dinner parties unless it's ILs coming.

If it wasn't a special occasion, I would have ordered in. But it being Eid, we had to have a specific kind of food which needed to be home made. And I had told DH prior to the event that I would rather we didn't host it as it would all fall on me to cook. DH is an atrocious cook. He wouldn't have a clue where to begin with something like this. He will usually clean the house and do the dishes etc before and after events.

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thepariscrimefiles · 01/04/2025 08:51

HereForTheFreeLunch · 01/04/2025 08:42

OP, Eid is not a surprise. Plan for it. Things like biryani's and samosas freeze really well.
Or shock horror... find a brand/restaurant you like that you can decorate up, add your chutneys to and pass off as your own.

Treat it like Christmas - people are not understanding you but for Christmas you have people planning, making and freezing things all the way from September. Do the same - start well before Ramadan for Eid prep.

Rest of year, pick a much smaller menu when hosting them - and do all one pot meals - no naans or roti made from scratch. A big pot of biryani, pot of sevaiyan and a pack of frozen samosas. If they ask for something different, order it in.

Leave the post cleaning for the next day. Drive them home yourself - it's nice in the night - peaceful, calming after the chaos. Play your favourite music loud on the way back.

Eid isn't a surprise but OP wasn't expecting to have to host until her DH sprung it on her with four days' notice.

TheAmusedQuail · 01/04/2025 08:50

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 01/04/2025 07:37

This! Why was she not in bed?! Mine are dinner and bed by 8.30pm latest, even with guests…

Because when the family eat iftar it is a celebration after the sun has gone down. And the final iftar is a long drawn out meal, that is eaten in specific stages. So not a 'chuck it down your neck' meal.

OhHellolittleone · 01/04/2025 08:49

were They the only attendees? You’re quite dramatic. I host my in-laws regularly. I have 2 under 2.5. I do cooking and prep when husband is home.

I do find having 2 year old at home quite tiring and busy. I don’t get a second if I’m on my own. (Baby naps, but she doesn’t!). Maybe get a job and childcare - you then get a bit of time to think. For instance you can take a day off when daughter is in nursery if you have something important to do.

i think getting a taxi is fine, but I can’t see how the whole event was so chaotic and exhausting. Nothing would stop me putting child to bed on time.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 01/04/2025 08:49

crumblingschools · 01/04/2025 08:44

@HereForTheFreeLunch OP wasn’t expecting to host so couldn’t prepare for it

Yes, that's true.

The same thing will happen next year. Mil can't host, sil doesn't want to host. So they both land up at OP's whose duty it is to host.

For next year have a plan - either plan to go somewhere else or invite them. Just chilling at home will mean another surprise last minute invite.

RiversofOtter5 · 01/04/2025 08:47

TheAmusedQuail · 01/04/2025 08:46

Exactly. Racists out in force. Same ones who will be banging on for weeks on end about the stress of Christmas.

Same ones whose houses I'll avoid because they always have worms and lice. And store bought food. And their back turned to guests and calling out over their shoulder.

TheAmusedQuail · 01/04/2025 08:46

RatandToad · 01/04/2025 07:32

So rude and utterly culturally oblivious. It was Eid. You don't just chuck a casserole in the oven. The number of similar minded people on this thread, I can only assume that some sort of bat signal has gone up calling them all to the thread to dismiss OP's culture.

Exactly. Racists out in force. Same ones who will be banging on for weeks on end about the stress of Christmas.

RiversofOtter5 · 01/04/2025 08:46

HornungTheHelpful · 01/04/2025 08:43

Then perhaps stop speaking for whole cultures based on having a few friends of those cultures.

I'm not giving my life history here but my family is VERY mixed as is my travel background.

Whatsnmynameagain9 · 01/04/2025 08:45

The issue for me is an unfed and up two year old at 10.30pm. What wasn’t the child fed and in bed at a reasonable hour. Judgy, sorry.

it shouldn’t have been a problem for your husband to drop them home. Surely the kitchen was sorted out and all you had to do was go to bed

crumblingschools · 01/04/2025 08:44

@HereForTheFreeLunch OP wasn’t expecting to host so couldn’t prepare for it

HornungTheHelpful · 01/04/2025 08:43

RiversofOtter5 · 01/04/2025 08:34

I'm not even South Asian or Muslim, just lived in UK cities and had friends! This country is fucked if people don't get out of the M&S party food aisle and into each other's homes -- respectfully, not as judges.

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Then perhaps stop speaking for whole cultures based on having a few friends of those cultures.

RiversofOtter5 · 01/04/2025 08:43

HornungTheHelpful · 01/04/2025 08:39

No, it doesn't. Do you understand what culture is? It is "the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society." Understanding your neighbours (though I'm not sure how important cleaning habits for holidays are) might be useful, but neither the neighbours' culture nor your own culture is "impoverished" by not knowing the customs of the other. I agree that it is good to know how people from different walks of life "work" and I find it extremely interesting. Others don't. That might make them incurious, or even intellectually impoverished but it doesn't make their culture impoverished. Don't be so rude.

As to the dirty "middle class" houses, and the "poor hosting". I imagine there are poor hosts in all cultures - it's a skill to do it well, and not one that everyone has. But to suggest that because people don't host in the way that you do makes them bad hosts doesn't mean that is a tenet of a particular culture - it may be that they are very good hosts, but that your cultural expectations are different to those of their culture so that you have simply failed to understand hat is required of hosts in their culture (or in your interpretation, you are "culturally impoverished" by your lack of knowledge of your "neighbours"). or they may simply be people who don't like and/or are not good at hosting.

Dirty houses? I don't believe you think this is culture, and I think you understand perfectly well that people of all cultures have different hygiene standards, entirely unlinked to their culture. My house is clean, but often messy (not when I'm hosting - culturally I was raised to respect visitors by hosting in a well-presented home). This has nothing to do with culture, and everything to do with, it being a busy, full house, filled primarily with people who are only just learning to take good care of their property and living space.

There was absolutely no reason to be so rude; I merely disagreed with you. The thing about cultures is that you can't judge one by the "rules" of another. They are self-contained systems. That can make it hard for there to be understanding. between people of different cultures, as you have so ably demonstrated.

Haha no, my own hosting is of a poor standard.

Yes I do think the dirty houses are culture. There are no ritual purity rules in most secular and many Christian households. This is why there are shoes indoors, books in bathrooms, meat and dairy stored together, etc.

Sorry, culturesplaining doesn't wash here.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 01/04/2025 08:42

OP, Eid is not a surprise. Plan for it. Things like biryani's and samosas freeze really well.
Or shock horror... find a brand/restaurant you like that you can decorate up, add your chutneys to and pass off as your own.

Treat it like Christmas - people are not understanding you but for Christmas you have people planning, making and freezing things all the way from September. Do the same - start well before Ramadan for Eid prep.

Rest of year, pick a much smaller menu when hosting them - and do all one pot meals - no naans or roti made from scratch. A big pot of biryani, pot of sevaiyan and a pack of frozen samosas. If they ask for something different, order it in.

Leave the post cleaning for the next day. Drive them home yourself - it's nice in the night - peaceful, calming after the chaos. Play your favourite music loud on the way back.

Fancycheese · 01/04/2025 08:41

RiversofOtter5 · 01/04/2025 08:29

No. It's because she is the site of fruitfulness and abundance. You don't get it.

Wow. Lucky her. Rewarded for that by skivvying all day and not even eating anything herself.

BoldBlueZebra · 01/04/2025 08:41

Xerttinmyselfnot · 01/04/2025 05:55

Don’t be so dramatic. My DIL’s mum is 80 and will catch the bus home after an evening out, or get an Uber.

It’s not dramatic to want to know my mum is safe and travels comfortably - it’s the least I can do for her.

HornungTheHelpful · 01/04/2025 08:39

RiversofOtter5 · 01/04/2025 08:25

It does show cultural impoverishment if people don't appreciate how their neighbours live.

This thread is also explaining to me why some middle-class houses are dirty and the hosting poor on big occasions. It's on purpose. Who knew that was culture.

No, it doesn't. Do you understand what culture is? It is "the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society." Understanding your neighbours (though I'm not sure how important cleaning habits for holidays are) might be useful, but neither the neighbours' culture nor your own culture is "impoverished" by not knowing the customs of the other. I agree that it is good to know how people from different walks of life "work" and I find it extremely interesting. Others don't. That might make them incurious, or even intellectually impoverished but it doesn't make their culture impoverished. Don't be so rude.

As to the dirty "middle class" houses, and the "poor hosting". I imagine there are poor hosts in all cultures - it's a skill to do it well, and not one that everyone has. But to suggest that because people don't host in the way that you do makes them bad hosts doesn't mean that is a tenet of a particular culture - it may be that they are very good hosts, but that your cultural expectations are different to those of their culture so that you have simply failed to understand hat is required of hosts in their culture (or in your interpretation, you are "culturally impoverished" by your lack of knowledge of your "neighbours"). or they may simply be people who don't like and/or are not good at hosting.

Dirty houses? I don't believe you think this is culture, and I think you understand perfectly well that people of all cultures have different hygiene standards, entirely unlinked to their culture. My house is clean, but often messy (not when I'm hosting - culturally I was raised to respect visitors by hosting in a well-presented home). This has nothing to do with culture, and everything to do with, it being a busy, full house, filled primarily with people who are only just learning to take good care of their property and living space.

There was absolutely no reason to be so rude; I merely disagreed with you. The thing about cultures is that you can't judge one by the "rules" of another. They are self-contained systems. That can make it hard for there to be understanding. between people of different cultures, as you have so ably demonstrated.

RiversofOtter5 · 01/04/2025 08:34

I'm not even South Asian or Muslim, just lived in UK cities and had friends! This country is fucked if people don't get out of the M&S party food aisle and into each other's homes -- respectfully, not as judges.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 01/04/2025 08:32

I understand the traditional food that takes ages to prepare. But what would happen if, your husband said to his family that you'd both live to see them but you've got your hands full at the moment, so could they each bring a dish? Or that you would be cooking the food but there will be fewer different dishes than normal? They are choosing not to host or can't host so its not unreasonable if you're the only one that makes the effort, to lighten the load a little, as you're family and in a family, doing everything for a celebration shouldn't be down to one person.

As a last resort...My husband is also a terrible cook and we tend to host for family occasions but I make sure he does his share for these. He will make the special trips out to butchers etc to order and pick up ingredients. Help with prep (he can't cook but he can clean/ chop meat / peel potatoes etc). And he looks after the kids while I get on with stuff in advance and freeze it, to make it easier on the day. Its different as I enjoy it mostly but if I didn't, I wouldn't hesitate to simplify / ask for help bringing a dish / buy in food

iseenyouwithkefir · 01/04/2025 08:32

Tell him next time you'll do the driving (both ways) and he can wrangle the 2yo and whatever prep/clean-up needs to be done during that time.
If he somehow genuinely cannot cook, that's unfortunate, but you can probably shuffle things around so that you've done the skilled cooking work ahead of time and he has instructions to follow to finish up.

Lindy2 · 01/04/2025 08:32

You were both up all night preparing? Your 2 year old still hadn't had dinner at 10.30pm?

This is bizarre.

Why did having 2 relatives for dinner require so much prep? Why didn't you give your 2 year old dinner at a sensible time?

The way your MIL got home isn't the main issue here. You seem very disorganised or you're going way over the top with preparations, but something isn't right.

Scale down your preparations. Do a simpler meal.
Invite people for lunch rather than dinner so it's not so late.
Give your child their lunch too.

If you do this earlier in the day transport options for getting home are a lot easier.

AnxietyLevelMax · 01/04/2025 08:30

Sorry OP but i voted YABU. I wouldnt have an issue with DH dropping his mum off but I also would leave everything as it was and took care of your DC and just have a moment to catch your breath if thats what you needed. I dont see what needed to be done there and then and couldnt wait 2 hrs for your DH to come back and help.

Floppyelf · 01/04/2025 08:30

gollyimholly · 01/04/2025 06:12

I can't give my IL's English food.
They eat a very specific menu on special occasions and it does take me ages. There is no quick way to do it.
Canapes, starters, biryani, rice, curry etc and dessert.
If it was just a regular dinner it would be far less stressful, but I cooked literally 10 different things.

DD was napping until 7pm and usually not in the mood to eat for a while after she wakes up @FortyElephants

Stop being a martyr then… you want all of us to go “you poor thing! Such a hero…here’s your cape”. Not happening. You chose this. Maybe next time don’t… have a easier time at eid.

RiversofOtter5 · 01/04/2025 08:30

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/04/2025 08:29

It doesn't matter who they are if the level of work is unreasonable for one person to take on solo.

You might think it is bad manners to expect an able bodied 40 year old woman to bring some samosas to a party.

I think it is exceptionally bad manners to come to a last minute family celebration and watch the woman who has done all the cooking run around after you all evening and not get a moment to sit down and eat herself, without lifting a finger to help.

It does matter who they are.

angelinawasrobbed · 01/04/2025 08:29

Could you take your MIL to your parents’ house to celebrate Eid with your family next time? And don’t invite SIL!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/04/2025 08:29

RiversofOtter5 · 01/04/2025 08:06

Two people were guests and her husband's blood relatives, one an elder. The sis in law could have offered to help but by proper manners would not be expected to. What you call running around like a skivvy is treating guests honourably. The problem is absence of an extended family or older children or hired help to pick up tasks.

It doesn't matter who they are if the level of work is unreasonable for one person to take on solo.

You might think it is bad manners to expect an able bodied 40 year old woman to bring some samosas to a party.

I think it is exceptionally bad manners to come to a last minute family celebration and watch the woman who has done all the cooking run around after you all evening and not get a moment to sit down and eat herself, without lifting a finger to help.

RiversofOtter5 · 01/04/2025 08:29

crumblingschools · 01/04/2025 08:28

@RiversofOtter5 surely you have to accept it is pretty shit that someone spends all their time in the kitchen preparing food while the rest of the relatives eat it and they don’t seem bothered that she doesn’t get to eat with them. Is it because a DIL is seen as lesser?

No. It's because she is the site of fruitfulness and abundance. You don't get it.