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Don’t know what to do🫨🤯

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Plummutum · 31/03/2025 23:58

Hi everyone, needs some advice,

so, basically, long story short - my DH’s spouse visa is about to expire in less than 48 hours and although we’d managed to save some money for his visa extension, there’s still a large chunk left for the IHS and we’ve exhausted every other avenue so I thought that the last option would be perhaps asking my mum. I really didn’t want to explore this option but we really don’t have a choice so I asked my mum (and they don’t have the most watertight son/mum-in-law relationship) but she reluctantly agreed on the basis that my husband asks her directly and formally agrees to pay her back for X amount of months. She wanted a formal arrangement because sometimes DH would forget to pay her back on the early days of our marriage. My husband is point blank refusing (he’s got a lot of pride) but I don’t think now’s the time to have pride as his visa depends on it. I really don’t want him to become an overstayer 😭 do you think he’s being unreasonable for refusing to speak to her directly? Or is my mum being unreasonable for wanting the request to come from him?

OP posts:
thepariscrimefiles · 01/04/2025 09:36

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 00:19

yes this is what I’m desperately trying to avoid. But his superior level of stubbornness is irritating

Does he come from a country/culture where men are 'superior' and automatically expect respect and subservience from women?

StartAnew · 01/04/2025 09:34

DH has a history of not playing back loans as agreed. There needs to be a written agreement that both have signed. Your DH is being silly and arrogant.

thepariscrimefiles · 01/04/2025 09:32

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 00:03

I agree completely. It’s tough because I 100% agree with my mum for setting these terms, but at the same time he’s my husband and I need to also be on his side in some way😭

Edited

Is he refusing to sign a formal agreement to pay back the money because he actually has no intention of paying the money back?

You don't need to be 'on his side' when he is so definitely in the wrong. It is really good of your mum to agree to lend him the money when he has failed to pay her back on previous occasions.

I don't understand his thought processes. Maybe if he had borrowed money previously and had paid it back on time, he would feel a bit miffed that she didn't trust him. But she is only doing this because he didn't pay back money previously so has proved himself to be unreliable and untrusworthy. If he won't sign an agreement, she won't lend the money and he won't be able to renew his visa. His choice.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 01/04/2025 09:31

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 09:26

This just sounds really scary. I don’t really want to start opening up to strangers like this but the truth is I’m just really scared to potentially end up on my own. When you’ve spend most of your early adult life with one person you just don’t really know who you’d be without them? That’s why I don’t want it to reach that stage, but I also know that I’ve done my best. It’s like dealing with conflicting emotions

Yes, I hear you.
Underneath your frustration with him, you are terrified of what the future holds.
That is okay.
It is okay to be terrified.

You will get through this.
Just take one day at a time. Each day, do what you can for that day. Do what is in front of you needing to be done, then go to bed knowing you have done your best.

You cannot change or control him, or your DM. They make their own choices. You only control your own choices and actions.

Theredjellybean · 01/04/2025 09:31

@Plummutum ...you sound really scared and. I can understand that, and I'd bet your DH has relied on your dependence on him making you run round trying to sort his life out for him.

You have your mum and sister and I wonder that if DH is out of picture they'll really rally to help you.

As a mother of young adult daughters I know I'd be standing back a bit while he was around as you sound completely in his thrall and I'm sure if anyone tried to tell you he wasn't this wonderful man you wouldn't believe them. Your mum has no doubt been biting her tongue and watching and worrying about you...

You won't be alone and you'll have time to discover who you are as a fully independent adult ..

EdithBond · 01/04/2025 09:30

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 09:18

I suggested this to her, like drafting up a proper legally enforceable document. Either way, even if he doesn’t ask her directly, he’s legally bound to pay her back - I feel like this would be a good last resort.

It may make the most financial and practical sense to renew the visa.

But does it make sense in terms of emotion and relationships? Because it’s you and your mum taking responsibility for your DH’s apparent wilful incompetence in sorting it himself. And pandering to his pride and stubbornness.

If this is how his visa gets renewed to solve the immediate problem, it’d be helpful for you to consider whether his attitude to your extended family, and his responsibility as a husband and father, are acceptable to you.

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 09:26

EuclidianGeometryFan · 01/04/2025 09:23

You might find it helpful to start thinking about your "Plan B"

Plan A is that he swallows his misogyny and asks you DM for the money, then gets his visa sorted.

Plan B is for when he gets deported and is not allowed back into this country.

What are your plans for driving lessons? Would your DM help with that cost?

Have you looked into claiming UC and housing benefit to pay the rent as a single person? The claim may be complicated by the fact that you will still be married to someone abroad, who is still legally liable to pay you maintenance.

Have you looked into how you would actually obtain a divorce from him when he is abroad? What if he doesn't give you an address where he is staying abroad?

Have you spoken to your employer about flexible working to allow you to do school runs? Or have you looked into before and/or after school childcare? Failing that, you would need to give up your current job, claim UC, and start looking for a flexible job.

This just sounds really scary. I don’t really want to start opening up to strangers like this but the truth is I’m just really scared to potentially end up on my own. When you’ve spend most of your early adult life with one person you just don’t really know who you’d be without them? That’s why I don’t want it to reach that stage, but I also know that I’ve done my best. It’s like dealing with conflicting emotions

OP posts:
CurlewKate · 01/04/2025 09:26

He’s working and it’s 2.5K? Surely he can borrow that, or get a credit card? Or has he got a lot of other debt?

Digdongdoo · 01/04/2025 09:25

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 09:20

I think he’s starting to freak about a bit because I said I’m no longer going to have any input on his immigration matters because I’ve done my bit.

If you opt out of helping him today, your marriage is effectively over. Is that what you want? Only you know how much of this is overwhelm, vs him being a general arsehole. It's crunch time really for you as much as him. If you think the situation is irredeemable, start getting your ducks in a row so he can't take your DC or assets out of the country.

Nanny0gg · 01/04/2025 09:23

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 01:52

Well, from the last conversation I had with him, his response was that he’s “tried his best”

How old are you both?

DaisyChain505 · 01/04/2025 09:23

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 02:23

I spoke to him about this today. I asked him if he was feeling stressed and he no, then he said that I always fee stressed about everything. I mean, this situation is pretty complex, it’s to do with our family’s future, our kids, his own future.

If the situation is so complex and serious ask yourself why he isn’t worried and beside himself wanting to sort it by any means possible.

He’s been offered the solution on a plate by your mum and still hadn’t grabbed hold of it with both hands.

If this was me in this situation and I was at risk of losing my partner and children I’d do anything for the money.

This person is showing you their true colours and who they really are, believe them.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 01/04/2025 09:23

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 09:03

I have thought of this, but it would be a struggle being on my own. I don’t drive (yet), it’s a dual income household so my salary alone wouldn’t cover all the bills (our rent would eat up most of my salary alone), one of our kids is primary school age so pick up/drop offs with my own work would be tough etc

Edited

You might find it helpful to start thinking about your "Plan B"

Plan A is that he swallows his misogyny and asks you DM for the money, then gets his visa sorted.

Plan B is for when he gets deported and is not allowed back into this country.

What are your plans for driving lessons? Would your DM help with that cost?

Have you looked into claiming UC and housing benefit to pay the rent as a single person? The claim may be complicated by the fact that you will still be married to someone abroad, who is still legally liable to pay you maintenance.

Have you looked into how you would actually obtain a divorce from him when he is abroad? What if he doesn't give you an address where he is staying abroad?

Have you spoken to your employer about flexible working to allow you to do school runs? Or have you looked into before and/or after school childcare? Failing that, you would need to give up your current job, claim UC, and start looking for a flexible job.

Staceysmum2025 · 01/04/2025 09:22

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 00:05

Well, I understand, but what am I supposed to do? Just abandon him and let his visa expire? It’s tough because I know he’s in the wrong

No, it’s not you. That’s letting his Visa expire. It’s him. Get out of that frame of mind immediately.

Nanny0gg · 01/04/2025 09:22

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 00:40

It’s really complicated because as I said, he’s not actively doing anything rude, but he’s not really present the way they’d like. Could it also be a case of differing personalities? I guess in my upbringing son/daughter in-laws are supposed to be super respectful and welcome their parent in laws a certain way, maybe that’s the issue - perhaps he’s not fulfilling what they want in a son in law which is making them have those views as opposed to what he’s actually like (if that makes sense)

No

He is just being very ordinarily rude.

He is no prince

TheGentleOpalMember · 01/04/2025 09:21

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 09:18

I suggested this to her, like drafting up a proper legally enforceable document. Either way, even if he doesn’t ask her directly, he’s legally bound to pay her back - I feel like this would be a good last resort.

With less than 48 hours to go it's too late to do that now, you'd need an appointment with a solicitor and everything and you're not going to get that in less than 48 hours, more likely next week.

Nanny0gg · 01/04/2025 09:20

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 00:17

She doesn’t live with us, but we’re quite close and I see her and my sisters regularly. However, he often has this sort of “stand-offish” attitude around them, it’s very hard to explain, it’s not that he’s actively doing anything wrong, it’s more a passive, kind of lack of warmth towards them. He’ll usually stay upstairs when they visit and there’s no exchange of pleasantries if that makes sense. Just a quick “hi, hi” and off he trots. This really hurts my mum’s feelings because she’s been so generous to us and she’s a people person so she doesn’t like being neglected in this way.

I know it would hurt you, but you've both been feckless about this but with his attitude he wouldn't be getting a penny from me

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 09:20

Digdongdoo · 01/04/2025 09:17

You really need to pin him down. What are his intentions? Is he going to pay for this visa urgently, or he saying the marriage is over? If he really can't suck it up and play nice with your mum, can he get a bank loan or something instead? Even a payday loan or something if desperate - you can deal with those consequences and build bridges with your mum later. You can't if he's not around. All depends if you think he's worth it, is it a blip or he is done? How many visas has he got left?
I think I have more sympathy than many here. DH recently got ILR, so I understand the stress this process can put people under. It's far more intrusive and expensive than people think.

I think he’s starting to freak about a bit because I said I’m no longer going to have any input on his immigration matters because I’ve done my bit.

OP posts:
TheGentleOpalMember · 01/04/2025 09:20

BigBurrata · 01/04/2025 09:16

I don’t know all the history obviously, but I think if I were your mum I might consider giving him one last chance - as a compromise, lend him the money without him asking directly, but getting him to sign some kind of a repayment schedule.

No way, fuck that! OP says here husband doesn't even want to spend time with them and leaves the room when they come around.

Added to the fact he refuses to pay her back, and thinks he shouldn't have to ask. He's had far too many chances as it is! I think the OP's mum might see this as a chance to get rid of him, get him out of her daughter's life and save her daughter. That's what I'd do if I were OP's mum. In fact I would say no to a loan even if he asked and signed a legal contract witnessed by a judge! Because I'd want him out of my daughter's life.

Limer · 01/04/2025 09:20

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 09:18

I suggested this to her, like drafting up a proper legally enforceable document. Either way, even if he doesn’t ask her directly, he’s legally bound to pay her back - I feel like this would be a good last resort.

Don't waste your time. He wouldn't sign it.

Theredjellybean · 01/04/2025 09:19

Fgs do not get a payday loan
That's a terrible terrible idea.
You'll be left in debt forever and I guarantee that will become your problem not his

Plummutum · 01/04/2025 09:18

BigBurrata · 01/04/2025 09:16

I don’t know all the history obviously, but I think if I were your mum I might consider giving him one last chance - as a compromise, lend him the money without him asking directly, but getting him to sign some kind of a repayment schedule.

I suggested this to her, like drafting up a proper legally enforceable document. Either way, even if he doesn’t ask her directly, he’s legally bound to pay her back - I feel like this would be a good last resort.

OP posts:
soarklyknobs · 01/04/2025 09:18

Tell him the offer of a loan from your mum is no longer on the table and he needs to finance the visa himself or leave the country.

That’s the two option he’s left himself with now, so does he still have his pride? And what will he do now to resolve the issue?

ANiceBigCupOfTea · 01/04/2025 09:18

He could have used that pride of his to go take an extra job or work overtime to pay for his visa but no, he decides to leave it for you to deal with and doesn't have the respect to speak to your mum directly about it.

Digdongdoo · 01/04/2025 09:17

You really need to pin him down. What are his intentions? Is he going to pay for this visa urgently, or he saying the marriage is over? If he really can't suck it up and play nice with your mum, can he get a bank loan or something instead? Even a payday loan or something if desperate - you can deal with those consequences and build bridges with your mum later. You can't if he's not around. All depends if you think he's worth it, is it a blip or he is done? How many visas has he got left?
I think I have more sympathy than many here. DH recently got ILR, so I understand the stress this process can put people under. It's far more intrusive and expensive than people think.

BigBurrata · 01/04/2025 09:16

I don’t know all the history obviously, but I think if I were your mum I might consider giving him one last chance - as a compromise, lend him the money without him asking directly, but getting him to sign some kind of a repayment schedule.