DC thinks they're being controlled WTF

Based on your thorough and comprehensive psychiatric assessment?

None of us are in a position to say what exactly the problem is, even those with relevant professional qualifications - but we can hear enough to know that an urgent psychiatric assessment is needed.

Could be a sign of OCD.

Caveat! I think these videos are designed for adults so of course watch first and check age-appropriate for her

@frustratedgirlmum might help for you and your DD to watch these together - or just for you if she’s not keen:
https://www.ted.com/talks/eleanor_longden_the_voices_in_my_head?language=en

m.youtube.com/watch?v=hPgFfYoUJCk

@frustratedgirlmum you may have already done/ tried my suggestions - apologies in advance if that’s the case.
If I were you I would take my DD to see a clinical psychologist who is experienced in working with complex trauma and psychosis (and neurodivergence too if possible) - you have alluded to your DD experiencing trauma in her life and voice hearing/ experiencing an “entity” can result from this. Add to this some neurodivergence and one is even more likely to experience a MH difficulty.
As I mother I would

• tell my daughter that I believe this is her experience & that I am here and she can tell me anything
• I would aim to be curious about the entity and when she hears/experiences it more loudly/intensely and when it quietens down a bit (as for most people who hear voices the intensity varies) - this will help you and her to understand what helps and hopefully this can give her more a sense of control. Almost be a bit like a detective finding out about it
• I would really focus on safety. It sounds like from the bits you’ve said that your DD might have felt quite unsafe at points in her life to date. I would be really keen on I know where/ when/with whom she feels most relaxed and to then build on that… like if for instance she feels really safe and relaxed at the beach, she could carry around a stone with her and touch it if she is feelings worried
• I would ask her what I can do/say to help her to feel better when the entity threatens her/says unkind things… would it help for me to tell her everything is going to be okay for example?
• for some people it’s not about getting rid of the voice but finding ways to deal with it and to feel as safe and in control as possible
• there are celebrity voice hearers (you can look up) and I think maybe 1 in 10 people hear voices at some time in their lives (look up as I may be wrong with my stat!) so it might also be helpful for her to know that she is not alone and that many people hear voices and experience other phenomena, particularly when under stress; essentially normalise it so she doesn’t think she is going mad!
• I also know a video which might help - I’ll see if I can find it

Oh gosh OP that must be so depressing, your poor DD. Definitely worth seeing a psychiatrist, they won't necessarily prescribe medication right away but they will be expert in what it could be and help you get a diagnosis. This might feel scary but it can help get support and adjustments in the future and the right diagnosis will mean the right support. Yes it's scary and totally fair to be scared - but the sooner this is looked at, the sooner her suffering can be addressed. Even if it's not perfect, it'll likely be better. Good luck 💐

Do they do this at school?

Massive squishes @frustratedgirlmum.

sounds very much like my son (he developed it at 22). He has to have a depo injection as he won’t take meds. He has no choice as he’s sectioned though.

i do recommend a Facebook group called POPS. There are a few parents in with young children in that have similar situations.

www.facebook.com/share/g/1YWpa15wnF/?mibextid=wwXIfr

10000% this could get dangerous! seek help as soon as possible

I appreciate you’re probably limiting details for the sake of privacy, but regardless your DD needs a psychiatrist.

This could be a wide variety of things (trauma response, OCD, eating disorder, thought insertion, etc ). Psychiatrists are no fools, they will consider all the likely differentials. They won’t just slap a serious diagnosis on her at age 13. If you go through the NHS/GP they will also rule out organic causes before considering psychiatric ones.

If you’re concerned that she’ll end up with a serious diagnosis that will follow her around then just go private. The medical notes/diagnosis will not be visible to anyone outside that practice unless you share it.

These therapies won’t work! You DC needs a proper psychiatric assessment, what you describe could be schizophrenia. However, it could be a hormonal imbalance. A psychiatrist will assess DC arrange blood tests etc. please don’t be fobbed off by your GP!

Wondering if it would be useful to look at https://www.voicecollective.co.uk/- focus is young people who hear voices, see visions, or have other sensory experiences or beliefs. From memory, it is connected to one of the branches of Mind mental health charity and has info for young people and their parents/carers/families.

I'm so sorry @frustratedgirlmum but this does sound very much like the onset of paranoid schizophrenia which tends to really take off with puberty.

A good psychiatrist can make all the difference, as can support facilities to draw on during the day that aren't hospital. It's worth doing your research into areas that have the most facilities. MIND are excellent and it might be worth contacting your local one for recommendations.

🙄

Does she have extreme episodes? If so, you could take her to A & E, which could speed up getting her appropriate help. I suspect that even your local CAMHS might have to seek more appropriate help. Private therapists will undoubtedly be out of their depth.

This does sound serious to me . I think you need specialist help .

It’s OCD

And AIBU no less
Just adds to the “offness” about it all

This is all odd and off

So why not go back to that psychiatrist?

anyway I’ll leave you be. I’d be very concerned though if I was one of the parents her classmates and day in and day out their classmate is talking to an entity in class and threatening violence or being violent to themselves. Must be very frightening for them indeed

Whatever is going on this is 100 percent not a topic for mumsnet. This sounds like an early psychotic break/schizophrenic prodrome. Your GP and psychiatrist are being extremely remiss in not getting right on this and trying whatever they can to help her. Here in the US there are hospital/psychiatric based interventions aimed at early detection of schizophrenia. The topic/content of her beliefs is really not as relevant as the obvious psychotic process.

OP has already answered this. Why are you not reading her posts for information?

Your DC needs to be seen by a psychiatrist asap. Therapy won’t help with unmedicated schizophrenia (if that’s what your DC suffers from). GP won’t be able to diagnose and treat properly either.