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Aibu to think you don't shout at other people's children

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 22:01

Myself and toddler staying with friend and her husband and baby for the weekend. My toddler threw his cup of water against the wall. My friend REALLY shouted at my (just turned) two year old 'that was naughty! You did that on purpose! I'm not happy with you! Tantrum all you like you've been bad!'
I was really shocked and taken aback and took him down from high chair, took him back to say sorry after they had both cooled off but both friend and her husband were quite frosty with him still. He's only two!

I texted her today to say thanks for having us and offering to send paint out to her if needed (nb it was only water spilt!) and she said she'll tackle the wall this week- no reassurance that it's fine so I think she's still angry with my son/me. But I feel really shaken by this whole experience - I would never shout that angrily at someone else's child (or my own). What do people think?

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 23:28

WhereYouLeftIt · 30/03/2025 23:25

I've seen many on Mumsnet state that 'it takes a village (to raise a child)'. I presume they imagine 'the village' benevolently ensuring the safety of their child crossing the road, watching over them like so many guardian angels, helping them learn to ride a bike etc. Somehow they never imagine that 'the village' will tick their child off.

I'd have ticked your son off too, OP. I wouldn't have shouted but my voice would have been sharp and firm and accompanied by my now-perfected deathstare.

The ticking off is what I would do and expect everyone to do, but then move on quite quickly. It's the prolonged shout and then more shout later and passag moodiness from her that that I was so shocked by

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Mumtobabyhavoc · 30/03/2025 23:27

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 23:10

Yup I get that. I was trying so so so hard to not let him trash the house but they have such a nice decor show home!

They're in for a rough ride as parents if they expect everything to be perfect with kids! Lesson learned. Keep your distance. 💐

sellotapechicken · 30/03/2025 23:26

Depends what they’re doing tbh

WhereYouLeftIt · 30/03/2025 23:25

I've seen many on Mumsnet state that 'it takes a village (to raise a child)'. I presume they imagine 'the village' benevolently ensuring the safety of their child crossing the road, watching over them like so many guardian angels, helping them learn to ride a bike etc. Somehow they never imagine that 'the village' will tick their child off.

I'd have ticked your son off too, OP. I wouldn't have shouted but my voice would have been sharp and firm and accompanied by my now-perfected deathstare.

OneFineDay13 · 30/03/2025 23:24

she sounds like an utter bitch all over. Wayyy over the top reaction to a 2 year old

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 23:22

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Could you have a chat with their parents before you see them next and say my toddler doesn't like it when they sit on him please could you ask them not to do that and to play football / play dough /barbies with him instead?

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Ruffpuff · 30/03/2025 23:21

What on earth, the ‘friend’ was being vvvvv unreasonable.

I’m not saying that I never shouted at my own 2 year old in frustration from time to time (wasn’t proud of it). However, I would never shout at another person’s child of that age, with the exception of them perhaps harming another baby/child. Even then, it’s absolutely ridiculous to expect a toddler to understand the content of what she was saying. She was bang out of order and the fact her annoyance continued is even more infuriating.

I just hope karma gets her in a year’s time when the quiet baby starts behaving like a toddler. Toddlers are by nature illogical, unpredictable, impulsive and emotional- you could be the best parent in the world and end up with an embarrassing toddler outburst at an inconvenient moment.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 23:21

Ps for context her and her husband aren't British (other English speaking country and European) so I don't know if I'm expecting more polite pretend it doesn't matter type vibe as I'm so English

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Bridezillasista · 30/03/2025 23:21

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 23:18

TillyannaB · 30/03/2025 23:14

@Unexpectedlysinglemumyanbu, shouting at a 2 year old should not happen unless there is a threat of danger.
i shouted at mine ONCE when she was just 2 because she ran off in a car park. Yes I’m fully to blame as she had never done this before and it was the same route we did to the same area 5 days a week, however I needed her to know NEVER to do that again. I felt AWFUL for weeks after but I needed the message to sink in and tbh I was ready to burst through fear and anger to myself. She could have been killed. Massive lesson to me there too.

My point though is, there may be times parents shout at their own child but ffs not over a cup up a wall. A firm/ louder no then a simple ‘we don’t do that’ or similar with the child then helping clean or having some time out equivalent is enough for a just 2 year old with a conversation after reminding the expected behaviour then MOVE ON otherwise children are being told off too much and they become numb to it.
this is how I was with dd and she now gets a different, firmer tone if it’s a ‘tell off’ and that’s enough, she listens and responds perfectly.

Op your ‘friend’ needs to stay away from your dc - she should not have shouted and said all that regardless of what he did. God help her when hers is a toddler!

I would reassess your friendship because you don’t sound on the same page at all.
You sound almost thankful to have this friend when many people in this situation would have torn a strip off the ‘friend’ for shouting at their child and left there and then.

go to some preschool groups and meet new people.

Thanks, yes that's what I was thinking but they had almost worried me that I've been too soft on him I felt quite judged (I am single mum so I am often running around after him like a mad thing rather than able to get him to stop still in once place very often as he's full of beans!)
I was staying with her a couple hours from home (she moved away from our city recently) and it was dinner - if it was a lunch nearby I would have left right away. I think I was in shock as I haven't heard her say or so anything like that were normally on the same page about most things (except she's more type a perfectionist and I'm more type b relaxed a bit messier type)

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AppropriateAdult · 30/03/2025 23:17

Fragmentedbrain · 30/03/2025 22:49

To be honest if he doesn't get his malicious side in check people will do worse than shout at him down the line
I know I know he's only two but all the better to embed reactions while the stakes remain low

You can’t be serious. He’s two. He’s a large baby. He doesn’t have a malicious side, he has very limited impulse control and no ability to see the consequences of his actions. Removing the cup and briskly telling him not to do it again is all that is required.

TillyannaB · 30/03/2025 23:14

@Unexpectedlysinglemumyanbu, shouting at a 2 year old should not happen unless there is a threat of danger.
i shouted at mine ONCE when she was just 2 because she ran off in a car park. Yes I’m fully to blame as she had never done this before and it was the same route we did to the same area 5 days a week, however I needed her to know NEVER to do that again. I felt AWFUL for weeks after but I needed the message to sink in and tbh I was ready to burst through fear and anger to myself. She could have been killed. Massive lesson to me there too.

My point though is, there may be times parents shout at their own child but ffs not over a cup up a wall. A firm/ louder no then a simple ‘we don’t do that’ or similar with the child then helping clean or having some time out equivalent is enough for a just 2 year old with a conversation after reminding the expected behaviour then MOVE ON otherwise children are being told off too much and they become numb to it.
this is how I was with dd and she now gets a different, firmer tone if it’s a ‘tell off’ and that’s enough, she listens and responds perfectly.

Op your ‘friend’ needs to stay away from your dc - she should not have shouted and said all that regardless of what he did. God help her when hers is a toddler!

I would reassess your friendship because you don’t sound on the same page at all.
You sound almost thankful to have this friend when many people in this situation would have torn a strip off the ‘friend’ for shouting at their child and left there and then.

go to some preschool groups and meet new people.

ohnowwhatcanitbe · 30/03/2025 23:13

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 22:59

So she used ti be a teacher of bigger kids like 6-8 years old. And compared with her baby maybe as my toddler can talk a bit she expects him to have the same behaviour as the ones ahead taught?

Well if she was a teacher that makes it worse, quite frankly, because although it is okay to tell a child off and say that was a bad / naughty thing that you did, you should never ever tell a child "you've been bad" or naughty. It is a bad action, not a bad child.

She was way over the top shouting at him like that anyway.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 23:10

BlondeMummyto1 · 30/03/2025 23:08

We’ve just had kids staying for the weekend. It’s so hard not to be frustrated when they trash the house over and over.

Yup I get that. I was trying so so so hard to not let him trash the house but they have such a nice decor show home!

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 23:08

starrynight009 · 30/03/2025 23:03

YANBU. There's a difference between talking to a child firmly who is hurting others when out and about and someone yelling at a 2 year old for throwing a cup in a home whilst their parent is right there. It is rather unhinged.

Whenever I have playdates and the other child is misbehaving I always let the parent deal with it in whatever way they want to. Some are firm, some are softer, that's their choice. I just sit there thinking thank goodness that isn't my child ha. Yelling at their child would never cross my mind.

I agree.
I also messaged her with a thank you and saying I hope the wall is ok and please let me know if it needs a touch up and what kind of paint I'll sent it to you, expecting she would ignore that or say don't worry toddlers hey but she said she'll be tackling it this week 😆
I think I was so on edge being in a show home my son probably picked up in my stressy vibes which made his bevavioie worse as he was good as gold when we got to the grandparents this afternoon!

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BlondeMummyto1 · 30/03/2025 23:08

We’ve just had kids staying for the weekend. It’s so hard not to be frustrated when they trash the house over and over.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 23:06

LittleMonks11 · 30/03/2025 23:00

How did he react when she bellowed at him?

He shouted more (ie continued the tantrum that was babbling) and started frantically trying to climb out of the high chair and bashing the tray of it

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 23:05

HelloMyNameIsElderSmurf · 30/03/2025 22:59

When I had a baby and my friend's toddler poked him, I remember being incandescent with rage that this huge monster had even breathed the same air as my precious tiny. I freely admit its not rational...

I think it is rational with new born as they can catch germs and toddlers are so germy!

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 23:04

Opine · 30/03/2025 22:56

I have friends that I would never see with my children or theirs. We have very different ideas about parenting so it would all end in tears.
I do think that you were wrong to allow someone to shout at your toddler. Even if you were being flakey and she felt it was warranted you should have defended him.

I know i feel really guilty. I took him upstairs and had a long bath with him and told him I was sorry she was shouting, she doesn't like throwing but [name redacted] is learning to not throw food and water (then we talked about what we CAN throw) but he's safe with mummy and mummy loves him etc

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starrynight009 · 30/03/2025 23:03

YANBU. There's a difference between talking to a child firmly who is hurting others when out and about and someone yelling at a 2 year old for throwing a cup in a home whilst their parent is right there. It is rather unhinged.

Whenever I have playdates and the other child is misbehaving I always let the parent deal with it in whatever way they want to. Some are firm, some are softer, that's their choice. I just sit there thinking thank goodness that isn't my child ha. Yelling at their child would never cross my mind.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 23:03

@Allswellthatendswelll I think that's my plan, I don't want to see her again anytime soon with the kids at least. She has moved further away from town (to get this lovely big house) so I don't see her now without travelling.
She probably feels she doesn't want to invite us back anyway 😆
They do seem to host people with children that often so I wonder if my child is the most outrageously behaved they've had or if they always shout if house rules are broken?!

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Unexpectedlysinglemum · 30/03/2025 23:00

Snugglemonkey · 30/03/2025 22:54

I have never shouted at my children. I have been firm, I have raised my voice and little, butcI have never shouted in 9 years of being a parent.

I would be furious if anyone shouted at my children. I would probably have left. Noone deals with my children when I am there, that negates me as a parent. I would never step in if it were other children, unless the parents were refusing deal with it. But they should be given their place.

But no one is allowed to shout at my children. If my parents, ir even dp did, I would be v film about it being unacceptable.

My children are not brats by the way.

I would also never shout like that at someone else's kids. I think it is kind of mean and scary, and also not my place to 'teach' them if their parents are around too.
What she is totally entitled to do is set boundaries in her own home so say he can't eat there and not invite us back etc or tell me I need to block him throwing things.

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LittleMonks11 · 30/03/2025 23:00

How did he react when she bellowed at him?

Allswellthatendswelll · 30/03/2025 23:00

Snugglemonkey · 30/03/2025 22:54

I have never shouted at my children. I have been firm, I have raised my voice and little, butcI have never shouted in 9 years of being a parent.

I would be furious if anyone shouted at my children. I would probably have left. Noone deals with my children when I am there, that negates me as a parent. I would never step in if it were other children, unless the parents were refusing deal with it. But they should be given their place.

But no one is allowed to shout at my children. If my parents, ir even dp did, I would be v film about it being unacceptable.

My children are not brats by the way.

Yes it's perfectly possible to parent consistently and have boundaries without shouting (I have shouted before but always regretted it). I'd only shout at a friend's child if they were in danger/ causing danger. I've taught for 15 years so I've no issue with telling other people's kids off (not by shouting) but not if the parents are there- it's not for me to parent other people's children.

HelloMyNameIsElderSmurf · 30/03/2025 22:59

When I had a baby and my friend's toddler poked him, I remember being incandescent with rage that this huge monster had even breathed the same air as my precious tiny. I freely admit its not rational...