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He wants to move back to his country - decision making.

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Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 16:05

I’m in my early 30s and been talking about getting married/having kids etc. We live in the UK and he recently said he’s open to living here for the foreseeable. He is from Denmark originally.

But out of nowhere today he sat me down and said he’s been seriously thinking about it and he wants to return to Denmark within the next decade. He loves me but finds it hard to imagine long term in the UK.

In this country, I have my parents and other family, my best friends and my community. However I do love this man and he’s the only man I’ve wanted kids with. I see myself being with him in 20-30 years time.

Also during this conversation he gave me a beautiful ring and a handwritten poem but didn’t propose. So I view it as a promise ring but a bit strange.

The main issue for me is that I am an only child. When I think about leaving my ageing parents to go it alone, I find that hard. He has a brother who lives near his parents.

I could do with some advice on how to decide whether it is worthwhile/making a decision about the future.

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Nn9011 · 30/03/2025 23:37

The problem is it sounds like he's saying he will go either with you or without you. That's not a relationship you want to be in. He's not choosing you. He's choosing what he wants and hoping that you'll come along.
I have no issues with a partner raising concerns about where you live and agreeing that you'll sit down together. Discuss options, pro/con lists and come out with a decision together but that doesn't sound like this.
What happens if you move there, you have kids there and then you're stuck when he finds someone who he would rather be with them than in a particular country.
It might sound harsh but that's the reality.

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 23:30

@Maxorias I know, Denmark sounds better in theory, but I think I’d need to know WHY. I had a great, safe,upbringing here and was forever cavorting about Highlands and Islands. Good education.

If I stayed and end up a carer with no partner I would have regrets. But seeing as he wants to live near his parents, it seems likely I’d end up being carer to his family instead of mine. We brought up a third option, like Ireland, because it removes that entirely.

On the other hand, I could leave tomorrow and meet another amazing man, have kids here and stay close to my beloved family. Win win. Sadly I have no way of knowing.

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ReignOfError · 30/03/2025 23:26

You could consider some less stereotypical arrangements. It is possible to have a successful long-distance marriage, for example. I did it for twenty years, with a range of distances from 300 to 3.000 miles. Obviously, the shorter the distance, the more often you can see each other. It’s also a lot simpler if one or both of you have a decent amount of autonomy over your working patterns, so you can take or send the kids to the ‘other’ country for decent chunks of time. It’s definitely more expensive to maintain two homes, and it’s bloody infuriating when you get into a routine that suits you and the light of your life rocks up and wrecks it every weekend, or for weeks at a time, but the pros (your family, friends, career etc) can outweigh the cons.

Maxorias · 30/03/2025 23:15

Didn't rtft. You're wise to consider all options, though frankly if it were me I'd MUCH prefer bringing up kids in denmark than scotland 😅

Would it be an option to move now to denmark ? See if you like it a year from now. If you do you can ttc then...

As for your parents, it's hard for me to relate because I have a complicated relationship with mine. But say you stayed to be close to them, ended up their carer, then alone and childless at 60. Would you regret it ?

Of course it's possible you could stay and it all pan out differently but you should always consider the worst case scenario when thinking about big life choices.

Another point to consider - would you want to be their carer ? It can be an extremely thankless job and impact hugely your relationship. You stop being their son or daughter to become their carer. It's one of the reasons why I'd never want to do it. You can help them from afar, you can visit frequently, and living far away makes it easier to not be roped in to help more than you really want to...

NebulousWhistler · 30/03/2025 22:55

You could do a lot worse than Denmark. I spend a lot of time there.
I know it’s not really the point but it would be a wonderful place to raise children. Things just work. Everything is well funded and clean. Public services are great. People are great. Weather is no worse than Scotland.
But yes, hard when you’re an only child with ageing parents.

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 22:43

I always imagined if I had children my parents would be hands on. Dreams of Sundays in the park with them etc. Not potentially once or twice a year during a visit.

taking out the ageing aspect, I am very close to them both and enjoy their company. I also know I can’t make all my decisions based on them because I’ll grow old with a partner while they’ll be gone. Still the thought of being far away hurts.

I also know Denmark isn’t very far so maybe I’m catastrophising but it would be a big thing to give up.

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moshmoshi · 30/03/2025 22:34

You could write the equivalent of 'A Cold Swedish Winter' @Stanwyck! Seriously though, really difficult decision to make.

Would you be able to live a bit of a split life for a few years with extended periods in both countries if you can both work remotely. This could lead to having a home base country once your future DC were at school and spending vast majority of school holidays in the other country. Of course this depends on your work flexibilty and finances- would be expensive I think.

SallyWD · 30/03/2025 21:46

OP - are you the person who posted a few months ago about their partner wanting to buy a holiday home in Denmark? Anyway, I personally would go, simply because Denmark is supposedly a happy place to live, a safe country and you seem to be in love. It's hard to find a good partner/father of your children but it seems you've found him. It's not far and you could come back frequently.

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 21:31

@Poppins21 I’d be happy to do this. I said to him today I’d prefer to keep both Scotland and Denmark on the table. But there isn’t much point in doing this if in his head Denmark is always the foregone conclusion.

yeah, I know i’d make friends. But these are 20 year friendships I’d be leaving behind so it does mean something.

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Poppins21 · 30/03/2025 21:22

Moanranger · 30/03/2025 20:58

What stands out is your feeling that you will lose your friends & family if you move away. But that’s not a zero sum game, at least to my way of thinking. I will tell you why.
i moved away from my home country many years ago & came to the UK. I did not lose my friends/family. We stayed in touch and now, decades later, we are still very much in regular contact. Agree, we don’t physically see each other so much, but I think the bonds of friends & family are strong. I look at it as adding more & more people to my circle, not exchanging (“losing”) old friends for new (hence not a zero sum game)
I think perhaps your worries stem partly from being an only child, so there are fewer people to look after your parents, and I can understand that makes you more vulnerable to thinking you would be “abandoning” your parents.
You could gain a great deal moving to Denmark - new friends, new cultural experiences. Or you could hate it.
I think you need to consider this even-handedly. The ideal would be to move there for awhile, or at least visit extensively/regularly. It really isn’t far away, If you turn down what could be a life enhancing experience by focussing on what you think you may lose (not gain), it would be sad.

Yes I see my friends too - we chat most days on WhatsApp and they come and visit us and we visit them. And I made new friends.

Poppins21 · 30/03/2025 21:21

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 20:55

My current instinct is I’m open to a move there but I want to start trying for kids in the next two years. I will not, in that time, be ready to move to Denmark. I want to have them here.

Therefore I’d want to have the kid or kids here with a potential move to Denmark to continually be explored in the meantime.

if he says no to that and that the kids absolutely need to be born in Denmark, then what does that say?

Maybe look at the danish healthcare system as it is much safer than the UK for both mother and baby. Not saying you have to just worth a look. Maybe look at potential schools in both Scotland and Denmark so you can make objective decisions?

Moanranger · 30/03/2025 20:58

What stands out is your feeling that you will lose your friends & family if you move away. But that’s not a zero sum game, at least to my way of thinking. I will tell you why.
i moved away from my home country many years ago & came to the UK. I did not lose my friends/family. We stayed in touch and now, decades later, we are still very much in regular contact. Agree, we don’t physically see each other so much, but I think the bonds of friends & family are strong. I look at it as adding more & more people to my circle, not exchanging (“losing”) old friends for new (hence not a zero sum game)
I think perhaps your worries stem partly from being an only child, so there are fewer people to look after your parents, and I can understand that makes you more vulnerable to thinking you would be “abandoning” your parents.
You could gain a great deal moving to Denmark - new friends, new cultural experiences. Or you could hate it.
I think you need to consider this even-handedly. The ideal would be to move there for awhile, or at least visit extensively/regularly. It really isn’t far away, If you turn down what could be a life enhancing experience by focussing on what you think you may lose (not gain), it would be sad.

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 20:55

My current instinct is I’m open to a move there but I want to start trying for kids in the next two years. I will not, in that time, be ready to move to Denmark. I want to have them here.

Therefore I’d want to have the kid or kids here with a potential move to Denmark to continually be explored in the meantime.

if he says no to that and that the kids absolutely need to be born in Denmark, then what does that say?

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Loopytiles · 30/03/2025 20:48

Seems improbable that even if they wishes to do so your parents would be able to move there, unless they’re very wealthy.

Crikeyalmighty · 30/03/2025 20:47

@Stanwyck my father in law loved visiting us in Copenhagen - even at 81 - he would have been out every 8 weeks or so if we were ok with that

JamaisDeuxSansTrois · 30/03/2025 20:46

And what do you think?

I know nothing about Denmark. Maybe there are objective reasons like better childcare, education system.

But are these so dire in Scotland?

Can you not plan around them? Plan to move somewhere in your area with good schools? Find jobs where the employer pays towards private healthcare?

I think his reasons are probably mostly subjective: it's his home, where he would prefer to bring up his children.

And that's fine.

But they don't outweigh your own subjective reasons.

Crikeyalmighty · 30/03/2025 20:45

@Stanwyck on that point I would agree with him having lived in both -however I do agree it’s not as simple as that given you may well be stuck there if it goes wrong and he doesn’t agree to any kids coming back with you- to be frank in your situation I would probably want to see how he was as a dad first- and then consider it with children in a few years. An awful lot of marriages break up with young children and I would actually feel more comfortable to move in your situation when beyond the baby stage - I think he needs to be aware and understand of why you are wary , especially because of Hague convention -

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 20:44

He did also ask if I thought my family would ever consider moving to Denmark!

My mum definitely would but I think my dad is set on Scotland. They are both still young enough and healthy and about to be retired which is something in terms of being active grandparents either way.

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Lavender14 · 30/03/2025 20:42

oviraptor21 · 30/03/2025 17:42

Don't forget if you have kids and your marriage/relationship falls apart, you'll have a fight to come back to the UK if they've been living overseas for any length of time.

This was my thinking op. I know a couple of women who are now stuck in a country they don't want to be in any longer because they can't take their kids home with them. I think I would want to have my kids in the UK and then move.

Lots of pros to living in Denmark and raising kids there. As a single mother to one child I would want ds to reach for the stars. I wouldn't want him to limit his opportunities for me and if it really came to it I might relocate to be closer to him if it was the right thing at the time for everyone involved.

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 20:41

I do have a good life here. That has taken time to build and it’s valuable. I might never recreate this abroad.

He is also a huge part of my happiness. I have never been with a man who feels like family. I adore him.

Maybe I can start writing down pros and cons and see the feelings that emerge. I also join the British in Denmark group.

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FrozenFeathers · 30/03/2025 20:39

ThisUniqueDreamer · 30/03/2025 17:40

Say you'll go back to denmark with him and then don't.

Have children here and say that you want to do that to be near your parents for the first couple of years. Then refuse to move. He won't be able to go home and take the kids with him.

That is so effing toxic. Don't base your relationship on a lie and definitely don't have children with anyone who you can't/won't be honest with. It would be just as bad as having kids with someone who lied to you about something so important as where to live.

It's unfair to drag kids into a situation like this. They don't have a choice and deserve parents who don't resent each other.

Crikeyalmighty · 30/03/2025 20:38

@ReignOfError I feel exactly like that too.

Loopytiles · 30/03/2025 20:36

Yes, of course odds are high you’d meet someone else good.

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 20:33

@JamaisDeuxSansTrois his main argument seems to be that he wants to raise kids in Denmark. He thinks it’s much better than UK.

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Laststraw25 · 30/03/2025 20:33

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 20:31

@CantStopMoving he hasn’t said the words but has strongly implied that he will move back in the next 10 years no matter what.

I don’t know how he’d actually feel if I say actually too much of my life is here and I can’t do that.

Why don’t you speak from your heart and see what he says. Some straight talking is required.

You have a wonderful life, and much to give up.