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He wants to move back to his country - decision making.

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Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 16:05

I’m in my early 30s and been talking about getting married/having kids etc. We live in the UK and he recently said he’s open to living here for the foreseeable. He is from Denmark originally.

But out of nowhere today he sat me down and said he’s been seriously thinking about it and he wants to return to Denmark within the next decade. He loves me but finds it hard to imagine long term in the UK.

In this country, I have my parents and other family, my best friends and my community. However I do love this man and he’s the only man I’ve wanted kids with. I see myself being with him in 20-30 years time.

Also during this conversation he gave me a beautiful ring and a handwritten poem but didn’t propose. So I view it as a promise ring but a bit strange.

The main issue for me is that I am an only child. When I think about leaving my ageing parents to go it alone, I find that hard. He has a brother who lives near his parents.

I could do with some advice on how to decide whether it is worthwhile/making a decision about the future.

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Laststraw25 · 31/03/2025 04:42

You are right op. You are carrying double the risk because you are making all of the sacrifices to move to his home country, and you will be the one that is pregnant, and will take the financial and physical hit that comes with it.

If you were 25 this wouldn’t matter so much, but you have a limited window, but still plenty of time to get this right.

A few questions:

Is Denmark a place you would choose independently to live your life if it were not for him? Or have you always seen your home as a place you would have your children?

Is this decision based purely on pleasing him? Be honest about this at least with yourself.

You have travelled extensively too, I have returned having marvelled at some amazing countries truly beautiful countries, realising that home is where the heart is, and the U.K. in general is always underrated by the very people that live here! It’s a British affliction.

Stanwyck · 31/03/2025 04:42

My inner Mae West partly thinks f*ck this, my life here is good and why should I give it all up for a MAN. I’ve always been independent with my own life and I’m not sure doing that is really who I am.

even if it would give kids ‘a better life’.

Probably not the best way to a good resolution but I can’t help somewhat thinking it!

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MyOtherProfile · 31/03/2025 04:26

Sorry if this was already suggested - I only read the OPs posts. I really recommend this book OP to help you think about a potential move.

I know a couple of families who are half British / half Danish. One does summers in UK and the rest in DK and the other does it the other way round. DK is so near and so accessible. I would really put some effort into getting more experience of the country. It's beautiful with a lovely culture.

Tbh I would also want to get married if I was going to live abroad with him. If he proposed would that make you feel differently?

Stanwyck · 31/03/2025 04:22

The worst case scenario of leaving and seeing if I can meet someone local instead has crossed my mind. I’d be heartbroken as I love him so much but I need to acknowledge it.

Part of me wonders if he’s calling my bluff. Seeing how much I’ll agree to but if it came down to it would he leave me?

I don’t know. He said he couldn’t see himself staying longer than ten more years. PPs above are right. What sacrifices is he willing to make. So far none.

I also asked if he was certain about moving back to Denmark given how well his career was going and he couldn’t say ‘yes’ affirmatively.

Right now, I think I’d be saying - want to start having children here. In the meantime explore Denmark more. If he can’t agree, I think that would be it.

Concern would be he agrees to have children here but in 2 years says ‘oh actually no’ and my biological clock has just been run down.

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Laststraw25 · 31/03/2025 04:20

I agree with the post above. You will be the one that carries the risk as it is, being the one that is pregnant, vulnerable and very reliant for a while at least, caring for a newborn and all that entails. Even if everything goes perfectly with the pregnancy, delivery and there are no disabilities or issues with the baby/babies.

To have to do all of this overseas without your family is a huge ask and unreasonable when you consider he could easily stay given how settled he is. If he loved you deeply why is hr willing to put you through this I wonder?

If you had nothing to lose, then maybe it’s worth a punt but you have so much to lose and maybe signing up for an entire lifetime spent in Denmark and not just a chapter.

Be honest, and see what happens. Your relationship is about to be tested, and you are about to find out just how committed he is to a life with you. Yes it might feel daunting, but far better to know now than be saddled with dc, unable to leave a country you have no connection or real affection for and enduring a life you did not choose potentially indefinitely.

Codlingmoths · 31/03/2025 04:11

Op, he wouldn’t do this move for you if your positions were reversed . If he won’t stay for you when he speaks the language, gets on really well with your family, has a great career and isn’t going to be the one to be pregnant and give birth, look after a baby, with all the additional need for your support network that comes with that, then he certainly wouldn’t move to Denmark where he has none of that if you were the danish one saying i want to move. It’s worth realising that when you evaluate the relationship.

Laststraw25 · 31/03/2025 04:07

Stanwyck · 31/03/2025 03:33

@autisticbookworm and @Laststraw25 I think you are right - I don’t feel I want to or am willing to leave Scotland in the next few years.

He floated Ireland and yes probably as a neutral location to avoid the other issues.

I am certain that if I had said today I will never move to Denmark or consider it this would have ended the relationship:

@Laststraw25 what you are suggesting is what he himself suggested originally - living here but spending summers in Denmark.

Now the sudden flip. Maybe it is down to his parents, not sure.

I think he is not thinking straight. He started an amazing job last year that he could have for life, yet he’d possibly squander this is to go ‘home’. He even admits he sees Scotland as a home too.

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It would have ended the relationship if you had told him how you really felt?

Gosh op that is not ideal. Whatever is driving his change of heart is powerful enough to end your relationship then you really don’t have even the basic security of knowing the relationship will last do you?

It would be a precarious and risky situation for you hoping things will work out there, rather than feeling completely loved and safe wherever you both live in the world. What if he gets wobbly in Denmark where would that leave you? Particularly if you have had dc.

For those of us that come from loving families, in warm communities with a good quality of life spent outdoors and in nature, it’s hard to recognise the picture sometimes painted of the U.K. which feels rooted in strange stereotypes.

It’s largely irrelevant whether another county might be ‘better’ or not, it’s not a car you are buying here.

This is your life, your roots, your home, your family and you sound very very happy with your life as it is - as anyone would be in your position. It sounds like you have an incredible life where you are - that works very well for you and is very fulfilling, it is so much to give up to start again in a country that feels just okay, when you don’t really want to.

You will only be leaving to save your relationship essentially…

Wallywobbles · 31/03/2025 03:48

I can completely understand why someone who had options would prefer not to remain in the UK as it is now. Parents aside it’s not an awesome place politically and socially and it’s not set to improve any time soon. And I moved from the UK, married, had kids, divorced and remarried somewhere away from the UK but in Europe. My kids have had a quality of life & education that wouldn’t have been possible in the UK for me to give them. But having kids abroad with someone of a different nationality meant I couldn’t have moved back to the UK even if I had wanted to.

Stanwyck · 31/03/2025 03:33

@autisticbookworm and @Laststraw25 I think you are right - I don’t feel I want to or am willing to leave Scotland in the next few years.

He floated Ireland and yes probably as a neutral location to avoid the other issues.

I am certain that if I had said today I will never move to Denmark or consider it this would have ended the relationship:

@Laststraw25 what you are suggesting is what he himself suggested originally - living here but spending summers in Denmark.

Now the sudden flip. Maybe it is down to his parents, not sure.

I think he is not thinking straight. He started an amazing job last year that he could have for life, yet he’d possibly squander this is to go ‘home’. He even admits he sees Scotland as a home too.

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Laststraw25 · 31/03/2025 03:25

It sounds like there are two issues here.

The first one being that he seems to have rowed back from his original position of staying in Scotland. Are you saying it feels like he will only remain in the relationship if you move to Denmark? So a dealbreaker for him in many ways. Whilst it is welcome that he is sharing his reservations about staying honestly now with you, I don’t blame you for feeling angry. This changes everything. You might start to feel backed into a corner and forced into a decision to leave even though deep down you don’t want to.

Secondly, your choice to stay with him sounds rooted in insecurity. This might be your only chance position. Although I can understand there are no guarantees you will meet a wonderful Scottish msn, your chances are even less likely whilst you remain in a relationship that doesn’t have longevity. .

Are his parents or family putting pressure on him I wonder? Sensing he is very settled and in love away from home. Just a thought.

Can a compromise be reached? Your every day lives are in Scotland, and you have a small place in Denmark you spend all holidays, long weekends and summers there? Effectively experiencing both lives.

Moving to Ireland is the worst of all worlds perhaps, as neither of you will be at home. I feel like this o is being floated to avoid the deeper issues.

autisticbookworm · 31/03/2025 03:23

I’d be clear right now your life is in Scotland. If you are to get married and have children it would be here in Scotland. But you are open to discussing a move to Denmark in the future but it’s not a guarantee. Then it’s up to him to decide if he wants to stay with you or move on.

Stanwyck · 31/03/2025 02:48

If I did leave I still think I might not meet someone I love this much. No matter what anyone says I think it’s a real risk, and one I’d have to live with if I said no, and break up.

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Stanwyck · 31/03/2025 02:46

@Laststraw25 thank you for this thoughtful post. It resonates with me strongly.

I don’t want to go anywhere right now - I don’t have enough information yet. Let’s not forget just two weeks ago he said he was ready to live here long term.

The thing is he says he is happier with me
than anyone else he has ever been with. Isn’t it short sighted of him to infer that the relationship will be over unless I agree to go to Denmark?

He has a very good career here and he has picked up that Scottish humour after 7 years. He says ‘aye!’ and speaks Scots in his Danish accent. He has become part of my family. I admit to feeling some anger to thinking I’d met someone who would be with me here but is now clearly saying he won’t.

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Laststraw25 · 31/03/2025 02:21

You are not young. Things become much more serious when we are in our 30s. Those that are saying just go with it are not really considering just how hard it is to make another strange country home - for life.

It might be different if you didn’t have a family that you are very close to, long standing friends, a career. A life and a community you adore. But you do. They are priceless and invaluable things in life. Irreplaceable in Denmark or anywhere else.

Its important to look at all
sides and Denmark has plenty of disadvantages too. I actually think Scotland is a warmer, kinder place to raise children myself and having children is a major challenge for any mother for the first few years, you would have to overcome many more challenges in a different country. A country is much more than lots of cheap childcare and cycling. These things are available anywhere. The Scottish humour, culture and the extensive education opportunities are not so easy to replace! Nor are your roots and sense of belonging.

You have to really love a country, its people, its culture, to speak the language fluently, to have a clear career path, to be able to fit in long term. Simply thinking it’s okay is not enough, given how much you will sacrifice.

I have been there, and found the adjustment very hard once in a serious relationship. The novelty wears off quickly, and I did one the language and I had built a life there with many friends and connections. In the end there were too many differences, and I needed security not romance. I wanted familiarity and comfort when I was pregnant not adventure and the unknown. I wanted to feel ‘at home’ and not homesick and wishing things could be different.

So I ended my relationship. it was hard but for the best.
I met the most wonderful man soon afterwards, and didn’t need to compromise on anything that was important to me. For me, it was the best thing I ever did. Painful as it was ar the time.

Whatever you do - don’t expect people to be willing or able to constantly fly out to see you, it tails off quickly.

Secondly, don’t underestimate how exhausting it is to fly regularly with babies and children. You may not have the strength for it, or the funds. Travelling away from home is reallyhard work with pre school dc. It becomes harder still to convince older children.

If you decide to go, go with your eyes wide open. You may never come back. Or be able to.

You don’t actually sound like you particularly want to do this, and you would only be doing it for him. Which are the wrong reasons to emigrate to another country in my view.

Maxorias · 31/03/2025 00:42

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 23:30

@Maxorias I know, Denmark sounds better in theory, but I think I’d need to know WHY. I had a great, safe,upbringing here and was forever cavorting about Highlands and Islands. Good education.

If I stayed and end up a carer with no partner I would have regrets. But seeing as he wants to live near his parents, it seems likely I’d end up being carer to his family instead of mine. We brought up a third option, like Ireland, because it removes that entirely.

On the other hand, I could leave tomorrow and meet another amazing man, have kids here and stay close to my beloved family. Win win. Sadly I have no way of knowing.

That's what makes it hard isn't it ?

To be fair I don't think you'd have any obligation to care for his family - plus you mention he has a brother. Between the two of them they should be able to manage.

I like the idea of Copenhagen because you get to live in a capital city while feeling like you live in a small town. Easy to access most places with public transport. Easy to bike to places. Great social benefits. I'd live there if I could ! This probably colours my view.

You're still young, which is why I feel like an obvious solution is to give it a shot. Maybe you'll love it, maybe you won't, but at least you won't wonder what if !

Stanwyck · 31/03/2025 00:27

@Frostynoman yeah, he didn’t sound thrilled when I said I wanted to have the children here and then potentially open to Denmark later.

He has said before ‘it’s your body’ so he has sympathy for the viewpoint.

I think pregnancy here first is probably my non negotiable yes. If that isn’t acceptable to him then I think it would tell me something important on how highly he prioritises my happiness and comfort.

I imagine my parents would come out for periods, especially as they’ll be retired.

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Frostynoman · 31/03/2025 00:17

You need to visit more. I think a lot is moot until this happens.

Your non negotiable is childbirth in Denmark - utterly understandable and shouldn’t be a point of negotiation - you are putting your body on the line for that, he doesn’t get a say over that. I can’t imagine giving birth in an country I didn’t have the language skills to communicate thoroughly with.

If you moved would your Mum and Dad be ask to come out for extended periods? Wouldn’t you be able to pop over for extended periods? Danes don’t start schooling until 7 so there’s lots of time.

Stanwyck · 31/03/2025 00:10

@Toohardtofindaproperusername yes and until 2 weeks ago he said he said he could see himself living here long term.

people can change their minds obviously.

On the other hand, is he actually willing to lose me if I don’t want to make the move?

Right now I just don’t know if I’m willing to leave my family, friends and community for this relationship. It’s a huge sacrifice. I love him but this requires serious thought now.

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Toohardtofindaproperusername · 31/03/2025 00:02

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 23:30

@Maxorias I know, Denmark sounds better in theory, but I think I’d need to know WHY. I had a great, safe,upbringing here and was forever cavorting about Highlands and Islands. Good education.

If I stayed and end up a carer with no partner I would have regrets. But seeing as he wants to live near his parents, it seems likely I’d end up being carer to his family instead of mine. We brought up a third option, like Ireland, because it removes that entirely.

On the other hand, I could leave tomorrow and meet another amazing man, have kids here and stay close to my beloved family. Win win. Sadly I have no way of knowing.

That sounds like youbwant to stay close to your family. Honestly, tryst this feeling
You didn't go to Denmark nd meet him.there. he came to you. You made choices to stay.
It honestly sounds very risky to me, and not nice of him to get involved qhne he has a clear desire to have kids in his home country and near his own family.
Not nice. Find someone you can plan a future with on equal terms.
Let him go..painful as it is. It would be more painful to have kids and be stuck in Denmark with young kids , no partner, and your beloved family out of reach.
He's the one who left his home..not you.

CautiousLurker01 · 31/03/2025 00:01

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 23:49

@CautiousLurker01 ive visited for one week! And liked it a lot, but it’s hardly something to base my life off of.

On that basis I think it’s really hard for him to ask you to decide. If you’ve only visited for a week, you really can’t make an informed decision and it would be unfair of him to ask you to. Not for something that is meant to be a permanent decision.

Is there anyway to have a sabbatical from work to go and stay there for 3m, explore the area, rent a place short term and get a real feel for life there? You could explore how easily/quickly you could get back to the Uk to see your parents in a crisis (in the UK, many of my friends could get back from Paris/Rome quicker than it would take them to drive to their parents - my in-laws, for instance are a 4hr drive. DH’ll be at the office in Germany tomorrow in less time than it would take me to get to their house?)

You could go and speak to an employment agency there about your job prospects, have a nose around the schools etc. I think as a PP says above, you need to sit down and state that its a huge ask on his part and that you’d need much more information before you could make that leap of faith - bit I’d also be cautious about a blanket no. You love this man, you may never meet anyone else that you like as much and you’ve stated having children is important, so I wouldn’t dismiss it out of hand?

Toohardtofindaproperusername · 30/03/2025 23:56

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 17:21

@LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand another concern I have is children.

He is keen for us to have children in Denmark whereas I’d rather have them here even if we do move there in the end. Part of the reason is that apparently it would be hard to ever bring kids back here if relationship broke down due ti Hague convention.

I’d need to look into it more. I also have only been to Denmark once so far. I don’t feel I can make a decision without more time there anyway.

I was going to say this. You are trapped if u have kids in his home country. And him bringing this up soinds like he has done serious thinking, alone.
He may want to go back to Denmark. Its his home. Thibk,twice before you do.
He's met you on your territory..It sounds cruel to me that he's saying he wants you to have children in his country, when he's the one who moved away and met you in your home country. I dont like the sound of it really.

Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 23:49

@CautiousLurker01 ive visited for one week! And liked it a lot, but it’s hardly something to base my life off of.

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Stanwyck · 30/03/2025 23:48

@Nn9011 i broached this a bit today. I said as partners I’d like us to be discussing different options and open to compromise. Are you saying if it came to it, you’d move back and have kids with any old woman? And he said no of course not.

But, I mean - he DOES seem to be seeing it’s probably Denmark or no future.

And I certainly need to be chosen because I’m so loved. I completely agree with your point here because I share the concern.

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CautiousLurker01 · 30/03/2025 23:43

Silly question - but have you even been to Denmark yet? I think to make a decision you need to have spent some time there first.

LSGXX · 30/03/2025 23:41

Alarm bells for me.

  1. You don’t sound like you’d want to move to another country and leave your parents behind.
  2. If you have kids with him and your kids live in Denmark for a year then if your relationship broke up there’s an international law that says the kids should stay in Denmark unless he agrees to let you bring them to England. Which he’d be unlikely to do since he’s see less of them. Google ‘Hague Convention’.