To think that people pretend not to understand obesity

Ok cut and paste all the wording

Your being childish.

No, lovie, I literally cut and pasted what it says and it does not say anything like what you've been saying about cravings or willpower.

@MsRumpoleit was worth a try.

but you know, some people are just in denial 😜😜😂😂

@5128gap I am horrified that you are refusing to engage with the unrelenting horror of having to adjust to buying 8/10 jeans instead of 10/12.

Do you not understand that this means that people who were a size 12/14 are now blatantly getting away with being a lower number?!

As evidenced by the fact you are ignoring the bulk of what that particular website says to just pick out the little bits that suit your narrative.

Then you maybe didn't have to lose weight?

You are both just in denial. It's that simple. That's a big part of the problem.

What's 'nightmarish' about it? Anyone who was a size 10/12 in the 80s/90s knows they now need to buy a size 8 or 6 if their size hasn't changed. It's hardly a difficult thing to understand and remember, is it? And if its too 'hit and miss' just compare your measurements to those in the size guides.

I know, I just had this crazy hope that @Winifredtabago was able to read sentences on the NHS website like "the causes of obesity are complex" or "the environment plays a role" or "genes play a role" but I think they're literally just pretending that it says stuff it doesn't say ☺️

But the only thing the medication help with is to not feel hungry so you eat less and you lose weight. So it's not like diabetes at all, obesity can be "cured" by eating less. It's just an appetite problem (and ofcourse the psychological/emotional problems that make you overeat) so when the appetite is controlled thanks to medication you lose weight.

@MsRumpole

i believe @Winifredtabagohas spent a large proportion of today pretending to be interested in the complex reasons behind obesity to goad and regurgitate the ‘fat people are fat because on the whole, they are weak willed and lazy’ trope. Bless him/her!

I’m no longer engaging with him/her.

lots of other good convos on this thread xx

There's currently studies on the use of glp1 meds on other addictions, they look promising

It sounds really traumatic. I hope you can cope with buying jeans with a different number on them.

The bits where it talks about eating too much etc. If you dont resist your cravings you will eat too much. Or eat too much of the wrong foods.

I’m 3stone overweight op
i go to the gym
i eat fish, eggs, and vegetables
i have a couple of glasses of wine at the weekend

i dont eat crap
my skinny friends drink way more than me
i am 49 and really trying here… its just not budging.

people are fuckwits Ignore them!

Please point me to the bit where it says that obesity is caused by a lack of willingness to resist cravings? Because that's what you've been saying.

Right so we are in agreement then. I've never said that for every obese person its simply the most common things like eating too much, being inactive. Some people do have medical reasons for it.

I have and what it says about the causes of obesity is exactly what I said to you.

"Obesity is a complex issue with many causes. Obesity and overweight is caused when extra calories, particularly those from foods high in fat and sugar, are stored in the body as fat.
Obesity is an increasingly common problem because the environment we live in makes it difficult for many people to eat healthily and do enough physical activity.
Genetics can also be a cause of obesity for some people. Your genes can affect how your body uses food and stores fat.
There are also some underlying health conditions that can occasionally contribute to weight gain, such as an underactive thyroid gland (hypothyroidism), although these types of conditions do not usually cause weight problems if they're effectively controlled with medicines.
Some medicines can also make people more likely to put on weight, including steroids and some medicines for high blood pressure, diabetes or mental health conditions."

I was right about it being a waste of my time to engage with you.

I have mixed feelings on this tbh. I had no idea about the sheer quantities of food some people eat until I saw 'what I eat in a day' videos on tiktok. Baked potatoes with a slab of butter as big as the spud, huge portion sizes, eating out and take aways multiple times a week, just massive quantities of food really with large amounts of 'extras' like piles of cheese and butter. Lots of people seem to just eat whatever they fancy with no thought of their health.

Personally I believe most people if the ate less and moved more(the average number of steps people take in a day is ridiculously low) then they would see change. Yeah you will be hungry for the first few weeks if you are used to eating lots but your body will get used to it. Yeah you will think about food a lot, so do lots of people. You won't die from feeling hungry or thinking about food.

If people want to use weight loss drugs then more power to them though. I don't care, it's your money and your body.

You’ve only got to walk down supermarket aisles to realise that they are stacked full of food that is not good for us.

Crap food is literally everywhere and trying to avoid it is extremely difficult. It’s cheap easy and addictive!

I base it on personal experience and the experience of the majority of people that I know.

if I ate whatever liked whenever I liked I would gain weight. So would most people.

it’s not about obsessing it’s about knowing that you cannot eat an entire packet of biscuits, even if you’d like to and having the will power not to do it. Most slim people are conscious of what they are putting into their bodies. They have to be or they would also be overweight. It’s very very easy to gain weight in our society.

when I was eating what I liked whenever (not excessive amounts) and just being generally active rather than doing a lot of exercise. I became over weight. I’ve lost weight but it’s taken a lot of effort and thought, along with an entire change of lifestyle to keep it off. It’s an effort, but it’s worth it.

I quit smoking taking champix tablets. They are the ‘shot’ to quit smoking.

it was genuinely easy and no withdrawal symptoms.

after years of trying to quit it took me a few days since snd seven years later ve never wanted another cigarette

prescribed by my GP

I think what I struggle understanding is why people just dont buy the food- like realise you have a problem and just make a decision to change and stick to it.

I have been overweight most of my life and have moved from a size 20 to a 10 and am now at a more sustainable 14. So I can sympathise and I know that when I was bigger I was generally using food to fill a void. I did have an epiphany after a friend made a comment about her husband complaining about being fat constantly but eating huge portions and making bad choices with food, she said she has no sympathy for him and he needs to grow up and take control and at first I found it really harsh but actually she was right, I realised I needed to stop making excuses and start being responsible. I wanted a child and realised I needed to be better for them. I am still not at a weight I want to be at but I'm more realistic about what I eat and what I can eat before putting on weight, I don't kid myself other people eat as much crap as I do, I dont kid myself it's all genetics cause it's irrelevant frankly- it's not about anyone else or any excuse, i was fat cause i had poor self confidence, depression and ate too much.

Why dont you try looking at the NHS website