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to wonder why Lent fasting has become so diluted?

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Wonderingwhyyy · 29/03/2025 14:47

I was talking to a Christian who told me she fasts the traditional way in Lent. No food or water from sunrise to sunset. She was the first I had met who actually abstains from food and drink for a significant period of time.

Other Christians I know choose to give up one food e.g. chocolate, wine, tea, coffee. One Christian told me she gave up Facebook for Lent.

The Christian who said she fasted the traditional way told me she gained many benefits such as spiritual closeness to God, self discipline, greater self control.

It did make sense. Giving up Facebook doesn't seem likely to bring many benefits although may it did for that one person.

I wonder why it became diluted and whether Christianity has lost its followers by allowing most things it did not used to.

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Wonderingwhyyy · 29/03/2025 19:46

DonnaSueWeloveyou · 29/03/2025 19:41

They don’t do 24hr fasts for 40 days in a row though…

Fasting takes many forms. For some Christians, it is giving up Facebook which can easily be done for 24 hours 40 days in a row (although the person I know who did this didn't manage 40 days).

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godmum56 · 29/03/2025 19:44

Mightymoog · 29/03/2025 19:44

i should imagine so, yes

but you don't know?

Mightymoog · 29/03/2025 19:44

godmum56 · 29/03/2025 19:34

christian people for Lent?

i should imagine so, yes

Mightymoog · 29/03/2025 19:43

godmum56 · 29/03/2025 19:40

yes but that doesn't mean irs a Christian tradition.

It's up to the individual.
If you want to give up chocolate that's fine, if you want to fast one day a week that's fine; if you want to fast from sun up to sun set that is also fine.

DonnaSueWeloveyou · 29/03/2025 19:41

Wonderingwhyyy · 29/03/2025 16:49

She is not doing a starvation fast.

Jews and Mormons do 24 hour fasts without getting ill. The vast majority of people fasting without food or drink do not get ill. Fasting improves health and triggers autophagy. Giving up meat, chocolate, tea, Facebook does not bring about the improvements to health like total fasting does.

They don’t do 24hr fasts for 40 days in a row though…

MrTiddlesTheCat · 29/03/2025 19:41

Wonderingwhyyy · 29/03/2025 17:26

Sure:

https://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/collections-and-resources/special-collections

Non University members can apply for reader access

🤣 You're talking so much shite, you deserve an award or something. Fasting as you're insisting is traditional hasn't been part of the mainstream Christian faith since the 6th century. There's nothing in that library that would say otherwise. And I should know seeing as I did theology at Oxford (a long, long time ago, not long after fasting died out).

godmum56 · 29/03/2025 19:40

Mightymoog · 29/03/2025 19:36

I guess if you wanted to fast "properly" for Lent then that's how you'd do it.
Up to the individual isn't it

yes but that doesn't mean irs a Christian tradition.

Member984815 · 29/03/2025 19:37

northernballer · 29/03/2025 19:35

Sorry should have been clearer.

I wasn't allowed to get married in my childhood Catholic Church by a Priest, so I didn't, I got married in a local hotel instead as I wasn't that bothered.

That would be normal here too , the exception being st patricks day .

Mightymoog · 29/03/2025 19:36

godmum56 · 29/03/2025 19:34

christian people for Lent?

I guess if you wanted to fast "properly" for Lent then that's how you'd do it.
Up to the individual isn't it

northernballer · 29/03/2025 19:35

Mightymoog · 29/03/2025 19:22

who didn't allow you to get married during lent?
I assume you were a grown up and capable of deciding what day you wanted to get married

Sorry should have been clearer.

I wasn't allowed to get married in my childhood Catholic Church by a Priest, so I didn't, I got married in a local hotel instead as I wasn't that bothered.

godmum56 · 29/03/2025 19:34

Mightymoog · 29/03/2025 19:33

lots of people who do fasting do proper dawn to dusk.
not too hard a this time of year especially!

christian people for Lent?

Mightymoog · 29/03/2025 19:33

godmum56 · 29/03/2025 19:31

what nothing dawn to dusk?

lots of people who do fasting do proper dawn to dusk.
not too hard a this time of year especially!

godmum56 · 29/03/2025 19:32

Mightymoog · 29/03/2025 19:31

never heard of catenians before.
Sounds a bit like the rotary club?

Its an organisation for lay male catholics.....reads a bit like Rotary or the Buffs, they have golf tournaments and camping holidays.

KIlliePieMyOhMy · 29/03/2025 19:32

I gave up church once for Lent.
Used the Sunday mornings regained to work in and open a community garden.

godmum56 · 29/03/2025 19:31

sprigatito · 29/03/2025 19:22

I only know one person who does the full shebang. He’s a Catenian.

what nothing dawn to dusk?

Mightymoog · 29/03/2025 19:31

sprigatito · 29/03/2025 19:22

I only know one person who does the full shebang. He’s a Catenian.

never heard of catenians before.
Sounds a bit like the rotary club?

sprigatito · 29/03/2025 19:22

I only know one person who does the full shebang. He’s a Catenian.

Mightymoog · 29/03/2025 19:22

northernballer · 29/03/2025 19:16

I wasn't allowed to get married during Lent (brought up a strict Catholic) otherwise anything went as far as I could see.

who didn't allow you to get married during lent?
I assume you were a grown up and capable of deciding what day you wanted to get married

northernballer · 29/03/2025 19:16

I wasn't allowed to get married during Lent (brought up a strict Catholic) otherwise anything went as far as I could see.

Mightymoog · 29/03/2025 19:15

ChompandaGrazia · 29/03/2025 17:28

Oooh. Stuff online. Well that confirms it then. Stuff online must be true and all the people telling you otherwise are wrong.

I've never understood this attitude TBH
99% of information that people use is online in some form.
If you look up a scientific paper you are doing it online.
if you look at the BBC on your'phone you're online.
if you want met office weather reports from the last 10 years you look online.

There are very very few things these days which aren't available online.
so if you wanted to study an old religious script the chances are you would do so online, not physically travel to eg. Jordan to read the original.

So what do you mean by being so sneery about finding something online.

ToWhitToWhoo · 29/03/2025 19:14

Although I am not religious myself, I have a number of friends and relatives who are, and I've never come across a Christian who fasted for Lent in the way you describe. Most give up one luxury food for Lent; the really strict may give up luxury foods and sweets in general, and some give up meat. But the only people whom I know, who have complete day-long fasts over an extended period, are Muslims fasting for Ramadan. There may be some Christian groups who do, but I don't think it's ever been common.

godmum56 · 29/03/2025 19:14

Grammarnut · 29/03/2025 16:31

There is no suggestion by Jesus called the Christ that women cannot preach. Indeed, his followers included many women and on Easter Day he chose to show himself first to women, one of whom was Mary Magdalen. My church has a woman rector, and it's fine. Some churches in the diocese do not have/will not have women as celebrants and that's fine by me, but it's not true to what was accepted and done by the early Christians.

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I am not sure what this has to do with fasting?

ExtraOnions · 29/03/2025 19:12

Catholic Fasting … isn’t starving … you can still have a small meal.

Onlyvisiting · 29/03/2025 19:12

I'm pretty sure the majority of people who give something up 'for lent' are no more Christian than those of us atheists who merrily celebrate Christmas. Like making new years resolutions, no religious connotations attached, it's just a focused chance to give something up.
(I don't do it, I think its silly and pointless)

Kandalama · 29/03/2025 19:12

Butchyrestingface · 29/03/2025 18:47

Didn't think I'd be spending my Saturday night browsing Catholic mantillas on Amazon but that's the rabbit hole I've fallen down.

Must say, I think most of them look a bit like doilies - don't see myself wearing one of these for my presence at online Sunday mass.

I have loads of these that were my mums.
I didn’t know they were called that though, so I had to Google too 😆

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