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Seriously thinking about leaving the UK - AIBU?

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HonoraBridge · 28/03/2025 16:31

I love the UK in many ways but it has been going downhill for at least 20 years and it feels as if the speed of the decline is accelerating. I no longer see a happy, or particularly safe, future here. For the first time in my life, I am very seriously thinking about leaving the UK and that feeling gets stronger day by day. When I mention this to friends, many are feeling the same way. YANBU - you are right to think seriously about leaving the UK. YABU - the UK is a still a great country to live in and you are being unreasonable to want to leave.

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Jaz111 · 28/03/2025 23:57

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Teanbiscuits33 · 28/03/2025 23:56

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How am I supposed to know what race you are behind a screen of an anonymous forum? I obviously said ‘’you lot’’ meaning anti immigrant types. Don’t be ridiculous. Clearly I’m not bigotted by the rest of my comments 🤣

Ph3 · 28/03/2025 23:54

PollyCreo · 28/03/2025 22:32

Yes if you have the right skills, of course.

The issue where I live is - we cannot offer a job in our country to a 'third country national', this means someone from outside the EU. We have to advertise the job and if we receive no applications from nationals, EU passport holders or Brits who are legally here pre-Brexit (with residency papers), only then can we consider third country nationals. This means going to the Ministry of Labour and providing evidence of the above, even then it might not be considered. Our company will not accept new employees who don't meet the criteria; we cannot take the risk of taking someone on whose immigration status is unverified, pending or likely to be rejected - if we get caught employing someone illegally we will be fined or even sent to prison, as will the employee.

Kindly - this is not just where you live. It’s everywhere! Clearly you cannot hire someone illegally that goes without saying. But I’m assuming the OP is not asking advise about illegal immigration! Not was I offering any under those circumstances. I have lived in 5 different counties so far and none of those have been illegal- all done with the correct paperwork. My experience, as I said above, as it’s the only thing I can draw from is that if you have the right skills and or/investments as the OP implied then it’s possible. And can be very beneficial depending on personal circumstances.

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babyproblems · 28/03/2025 23:52

Post brexit is not as easy as just deciding you want to live somewhere else (in Europe)/France… there’s quite a lot of hoops you will have to jump through!!! Proof of earnings, savings, employment contract, French language etc etc. I’ve lived in France for 15 years and I’m not sure I would make the effort now tbh with the various requirements! x

Zita60 · 28/03/2025 23:52

Whippetlovely · 28/03/2025 20:56

So your unskilled then?

You can be skilled and still not allowed to move to another country because they already have enough people with your skills.

Teanbiscuits33 · 28/03/2025 23:52

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I haven’t misquoted anything, it’s you doing the misquoting, you’re shutting me down because you don’t like being challenged. Fair enough, that’s par for the course, isn’t it? 🤣

Teanbiscuits33 · 28/03/2025 23:50

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Because I don’t agree with you, I’m trolling am I? Hmm, I thought you lot were all for free speech 😜

Jaz111 · 28/03/2025 23:49

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Kanfuzed123 · 28/03/2025 21:34

Seriously what’s wrong with Canada?

Housing unaffordable, lack of housing, tent cities all over the place, full of trash and drugs.

Opioid epidemic, fentanyl is killing addicts regularly.

Rising crime (see, drug problems.)

Public education is rather shit, worse than the UK for sure. My kids in high school academic English had the teacher read the novels to them - this is not uncommon. Science teaching is marginally better, math not so much, humanities are completely lame. Some get out of this problem by putting their kids in IB schools if they are available which means living in the right place.

Serious issues with the medical system, you will likely be on a wait list for a GP and may well never get off it. Treatment for minor issues, or even major ones, means trying to find a walk in clinic or ER visit, with no follow up. Increasing instances of deaths in ERs of people waiting to be seen. Long waits for procedures.

Programs and such for kids with special needs are uneven and variable.

Media climate is very flat compared to the UK, there are very few major newspapers so the variety of takes that happens in the UK media isn't available, and it shows in the political discourse.

Rising prices generally, especially food. Wages are flat.

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But I’m not incorrect, I told you the difference between an asylum seeker and illegal immigrant, which you weren’t aware of, and I told you that they get basic accommodation and housing allowances and that any that are found to be illegally applying for asylum are deported, which are all correct. Please point me in the direction of your sources which say that asylum seekers get 1.3m per family?

Jaz111 · 28/03/2025 23:42

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Teanbiscuits33 · 28/03/2025 23:36

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I just googled all your headlines and most were GB news, followed by the Express, Daily Mail and Telegraph. Right wing mouthpieces. And, considering you don’t know the difference between an asylum seeker and an illegal immigrant, nor seem capable of recognising unbiased sources, I’d get a refund from Oxford 🤣

Totallybannanas · 28/03/2025 23:34

SalfordQuays · 28/03/2025 22:14

Whenever I see these regular “The UK is shit and I’m leaving” threads I always wonder why, if the UK is so awful, do so many people risk their lives to come here? Is it because they’re misinformed, and they don’t know how shit it is? This is a genuine question. Can anyone explain the efforts that people make to come here, legally and illegally?

Probably because they get more help then the people that actually live here do. They get clothing, free dental care, childcare.

Jaz111 · 28/03/2025 23:32

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crackofdoom · 28/03/2025 23:25

Ferro · 28/03/2025 23:13

I should have done this and didn't. I'm screwed now. I can't move to the continent as I don't earn enough.

Likewise :(

Teanbiscuits33 · 28/03/2025 23:22

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Yep, as predicted, you’ve been brainwashed by GB news hyperbolic propaganda, and you’re deflecting by calling me uneducated and possibly mentally ill 🤣 I wonder what your educational background is like? 🤔

deadpantrashcan · 28/03/2025 23:20

Jabberwok · 28/03/2025 16:40

Where though? Germany , France are both economically expected to go backwards this year. The rest of Europe and those two have increased issues with terrorism. Plus issues should Germany struggle
Spain is still basically an economy based on tourism and has had several major weather issues.
The middle East is a powder keg and it's expensive to move there
The far East has been today hit by a massive earth quake. Thailand which is the usual destination doesn't have the most stable political situation having had 20 constitutions and several military could
Aus and new Zealand are fave, if you meet the criteria to get in...and it's a long long way to visit family
The us? With trump?
So Canada...it's well it's canada?

Lived in Thailand for many many years. The political situation doesn’t interfere with day to day life. Aside from pollution, it’s a much much better quality of life than U.K.

TorturedPoetDept · 28/03/2025 23:18

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Ferro · 28/03/2025 23:13

AlisonDonut · 28/03/2025 16:41

I swore I'd leave the morning the Brexit result came in. I did in 2021. I don't think I'm ever going back that's for sure.

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I should have done this and didn't. I'm screwed now. I can't move to the continent as I don't earn enough.

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Talkinpeace · 28/03/2025 18:10

Several friends' adult kids have moved BACK from Dubai and Abu Dhabi
so that their kids get a proper social life and schooling.

The UK has its issues, but so does everywhere.

The idea that someone would move to Dubai because things are going downhill in the UK is nuts.

Going to make bagloads of money or live a luxury lifestyle makes sense but Dubai is not a more humane nation.

theDudesmummy · 28/03/2025 23:10

For many countries, moving there with a significant disability is impossible Hence our five-year mission to regain EU passports, which means our son is not trapped.

Portakalkedi · 28/03/2025 23:07

Whoarethoseguys · 28/03/2025 17:06

You think there are too many foreigners in this country so you encourage your children to go and be foreigners in another country?
Don't you see the irony in that?

Completely different. For many countries (from personal experience) you have to have a job to go to, proof of savings, prove you can speak the language, take a medical, pay for health insurance etc - all fine in my opinion. As opposed to few requirements for those coming here legally, and no requirements at all for illegal immigrants, who are immediately supported at taxpayers expense. So, most of those leaving the UK are educated skilled and solvent, but being replaced mostly by those who force their way in via channel crossings, knowing the system is so crappy they will almost certainly not be removed. This is one of the reasons it's all going to shit.