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Would Muslims be horrified if they really knew what halal slaughter involved?

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HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 13:31

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First of all I want to make it clear I am not being racist or am not racist in any way, shape or form, but this is a question I have often pondered for many years now.

My friends ex husband worked at a halal meat abbatoir and although he'd been a slaughterman for many years prior to this, it was using the traditional pre-stunning method prior to slaughter. I guess it's one of those less desirable jobs but it's one of those 'someone has to do it' jobs.
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He lasted a few days before quitting his job at this halal place, deeply distressed at what he witnessed, certainly distressed enough to be sobbing in my friends arms whilst he told her about it. I'll spare you the ghastly details but he witnessed a tremendous amount of suffering whilst working there and did report his findings to the local authority. They said that when they carried out a visit their findings were that the process was being carried out correctly.

The animals at some halal abbatoirs are not pre stunned before slaughter and scientists have proven how unethical and cruel the method of cutting the carotid artery on an animal actually is, with some animals, in particular young calves who have a very good supply of nerves and blood vessels on the top of their necks. This prolongs their consciousness and can cause terrible suffering and it can take a couple of minutes for them to die whilst suspended by a back leg in the air after the cut is made whilst they bleed to death. Obviously the animal is beyond terrified and will struggle. Sometimes cows are put in a contraption that lifts their chin in order to make the cut and turned upside down. I have watched a video of both methods and it is very obvious the animals are conscious for many seconds to a minute or more, you can see their terror, they are not reflexes. This is as an offering to Allah as it states (possibly in the Quaran) that animals have to be offered alive when slaughtered. More and more halal abbatoirs are now pre stunning but there are still many that don't which represent a great many. In 2018 48% of all halal slaughter was not prestunned. 24,000 cattle in 2022 were not prestunned and 2.7million sheep (which represents a horrific 22% of all animals slaughtered in the UK) were not prestunned. The figure for chickens is even worse with 22 million not stunned.

I have read extensive research about both methods because I like a lot of other peoplecannot understand why our government allows religious slaughter when it causes so much suffering and I, like many others try to avoid the halal mark on shop bought food and never eat meat from a restaurant if I know it is serving halal food.

I have friends/work colleagues who are Muslims and I do not regard them any different from myself in any way other than I would never share a meal with them for these reasons.

Just for reference I am a meat eater and try to buy ethically sourced meat from local butchers as well as the supermarket red tractor scheme meat.

OP posts:
Rubyupbeat · 28/03/2025 15:15

They know.
Anyway, there in no kind way to kill an animal, they hear the screams and smell the blood.

Blackbirdsingssongs · 28/03/2025 15:13

Muslims born and raised in the UK shouldn’t be killing their own livestock.
Unless only their immediate family should be eating the meat.
Otherwise it is illegal.
I follow the Humane slaughter association. So only buy organic or red tractor. I don’t buy much chicken because the water bath stun isn’t very effective. So prefer organic pork or beef or lamb.
I care very much about their life before slaughter.

KnickerlessParsons · 28/03/2025 15:11

CarrieOnComplaining · 28/03/2025 15:04

British pork is all free range now.

And my young relative who is in vet training (and is veggie) was quite reassured by the treatment of animals in abbatoirs.

There's free range, and then there's "free range".

Free range doesn't necessarily mean animals frolicking in unlimited fields and leading a hedonistic life. It just means animals have access to the outside.

Westfacing · 28/03/2025 15:09

Would non-Muslims who eat non-Halal meat be horrified by how brutal 'everyday' slaughter is?

The slaughter of animals is not pretty - I don't think meat eaters of any type can be complacent about animal welfare.

i'm a meat eater.

TakeMe2Insanity · 28/03/2025 15:09

HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 13:51

Here's a link to explain more

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/religiousslaughter

Genuinely respectfully curious though, are there Muslims that did not know what halal actually consisted of??

Would it change the way you source your meat knowing this information?

And we ( the muslims) were waiting our whole lives for you to come along and enlighten us!!

Seriously, you need to look at ALL meat production farm to supermarket. While you are there have a look at the Tayab process.

In all honesty, you may need to become vegan.

KnickerlessParsons · 28/03/2025 15:07

I eat meat sometimes but killing animals on an industrial scale is never pleasant, neither for the killer, nor the "killee".

CarrieOnComplaining · 28/03/2025 15:07

MyUmberSeal · 28/03/2025 15:04

I know how halal slaughter works, but I’d still happily eat it. Because meat tastes nice. I also suspect that many non Muslims eat a lot more halal meat then they think they do.

Yes, because the chicken and lamb in Indian restaurants (and a lot of chains) will be halal but may not be non-stun. Huge quantities of halal meat is stunned.

Tugsfh · 28/03/2025 15:05

That doesn’t sound halal at all. It has to be quick.
How would you kill an animal OP?

CarrieOnComplaining · 28/03/2025 15:04

British pork is all free range now.

And my young relative who is in vet training (and is veggie) was quite reassured by the treatment of animals in abbatoirs.

MyUmberSeal · 28/03/2025 15:04

I know how halal slaughter works, but I’d still happily eat it. Because meat tastes nice. I also suspect that many non Muslims eat a lot more halal meat then they think they do.

Smallmercies · 28/03/2025 15:03

CarrieOnComplaining · 28/03/2025 15:02

I don’t understand how it is legal to bleed a large animal to death by cutting its throat without stunning, and think the law should be changed.

Anyone who finds it impossible to eat meat from an animal that hasn’t heard the prayer said as it dies can go veggie. Or pescatarian as fish doesn’t seem to require ritual slaughter.

And I have Muslims in my extended family.

Do they know how you feel about them?

CarrieOnComplaining · 28/03/2025 15:02

I don’t understand how it is legal to bleed a large animal to death by cutting its throat without stunning, and think the law should be changed.

Anyone who finds it impossible to eat meat from an animal that hasn’t heard the prayer said as it dies can go veggie. Or pescatarian as fish doesn’t seem to require ritual slaughter.

And I have Muslims in my extended family.

diamondpony80 · 28/03/2025 14:59

I think it's fairly common knowledge what is involved in halal slaughter. I think most people also know what goes on in chicken factories, on pig farms etc. but still continue to eat meat. All involve similarly shocking cruelty.

Fancycheese · 28/03/2025 14:54

If you’re a meat eater, or indeed have any animal products in the house (e.g. down jackets, pillows, leather, angora etc) I’d maybe climb down off your high horse. Not to mention cleaning products and cosmetics. You are very likely to be contributing to animal cruelty, unfortunately. It’s sad how endemic it is in our society. Sadly not solely due to halal slaughter methods.

5128gap · 28/03/2025 14:49

I'd have thought anyone purporting to care about aninal welfare would be horrified if they really knew the suffering that goes on before an animal or its products ends up on their plate. However, what tends to be the case is that they either dont care, minimise it, dismiss it as vegan propaganda, tell themselves its sad but a necessary evil because they need it, apply a heavy dose of cognitive dissonance, or point the finger at someone doing a worse thing.
Unless you're vegan OP, I'd honestly get your own house in order before you criticise others. You can't change other people's lawful behaviour, but you can make sure you're not contributing to animal suffering yourself.

Smallmercies · 28/03/2025 14:48

Isobel201 · 28/03/2025 14:21

I saw a video on this practice once and vow never to eat halal meat, although it still won't stop them from producing it. I still eat normal meat.

Normal meat - you mean animals kept in factory conditions then brutally killed?

Whowhatwhere21 · 28/03/2025 14:42

As another poster said, done correctly, Halal slaughter needn't be cruel.

There's just been a huge thing about a halal abbatoir near me, there are multiple news articles about it if you Google Arley abbatoir.
Undercover cameras were placed in the abbatoir and revealed all sorts of cruel behaviour. An inspector was actually In on one occasion, she was filmed witnessing the cruelty and walking away then passing her report with no action or concerns.

We have quite a large Muslim community around here and they are just as outraged by the treatment of the animals as the people who aren't Muslim are. Something like this can stir up all sorts of racial hate when a handful of people tarnish everyone with the same brush. Unfortunately for our local Muslim community, the local abbatoir news came about just as an EDL protest came to town 😩

Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2025 14:41

DH worked in a chicken factory at Uni
It was not a Halal one and he still talks about it with absolute disgust

Weepixie · 28/03/2025 14:41

HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 13:51

Here's a link to explain more

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/religiousslaughter

Genuinely respectfully curious though, are there Muslims that did not know what halal actually consisted of??

Would it change the way you source your meat knowing this information?

I doubt there’s many, if any Muslims, who don’t know what Halal slaughter involves given that Muslims grow up knowing how to slaughter their animals for food.

But more to the point - why are you concentrating on Islam when Judaism uses exactly the same method of slaughter?

Is it the fact Eid is just around the corner that’s prompted you to pick a particular group out to the exception of all others.

ghostyslovesheets · 28/03/2025 14:37

66% of all halal meat is stunned

so I guess you mean the 34% that isn’t and include kosher meat as well?

obviously all other animals killed for their meat, pelts ets are cuddled to death

GarlicStyle · 28/03/2025 14:34

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 28/03/2025 13:48

If you care about animal welfare, fretting over how they spend the last two minutes of their lives should be the least of your worries.

This attitude strikes me as really odd, though I know it's widespread. You can't seriously think meat eaters want animals to suffer?

I eat dead animals, so of course you think I'm horrible. I'm not eating them out of some gory sadism, though, I want them to live and die as peacefully as possible. (Also, happy livestock tastes better!)

AmHat1 · 28/03/2025 14:29

You would hope they don't realise what it involves. It shouldn't be allowed to happen in this country.

WearyAuldWumman · 28/03/2025 14:26

My late husband had a summer job in an abattoir in the north of Scotland. He told me that it wasn't that unusual for the stun gun to miss an animal. That would have been the 1970s.

Yes, he continued to eat meat but he did find some aspects of the job distressing.

Æthelred · 28/03/2025 14:22

In my opinion, and as other posters have alluded, it's intensive farming that is the issue, not the religious aspect.

Done properly, halal slaughter needn't be cruel.

I grew up in one of the Gulf Emirates - my Dad worked in construction for an Arab company and it was customary for the firm to give the men a sheep or a goat for Eid or at the end of a good project.

The unfortunate beast was bound, suspended from a beam and after the site foreman, Saddiq Ullah had recited the shahada - the declaration of faith, he slit the animal's throat with a long, very sharp knife. The blood drained away into a channel that Saddiq had dug in the sand.

There was nothing cruel or barbaric about the slaughter - the pupils were always dilated long before the blood stopped dripping; compare this to live chickens on a conveyor belt having their heads sawn off with or without the shahada playing on a continuous loop and tell me whether it is religion or intensive production methods that are the issue.

Isobel201 · 28/03/2025 14:21

I saw a video on this practice once and vow never to eat halal meat, although it still won't stop them from producing it. I still eat normal meat.

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