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Would Muslims be horrified if they really knew what halal slaughter involved?

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HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 13:31

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First of all I want to make it clear I am not being racist or am not racist in any way, shape or form, but this is a question I have often pondered for many years now.

My friends ex husband worked at a halal meat abbatoir and although he'd been a slaughterman for many years prior to this, it was using the traditional pre-stunning method prior to slaughter. I guess it's one of those less desirable jobs but it's one of those 'someone has to do it' jobs.
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He lasted a few days before quitting his job at this halal place, deeply distressed at what he witnessed, certainly distressed enough to be sobbing in my friends arms whilst he told her about it. I'll spare you the ghastly details but he witnessed a tremendous amount of suffering whilst working there and did report his findings to the local authority. They said that when they carried out a visit their findings were that the process was being carried out correctly.

The animals at some halal abbatoirs are not pre stunned before slaughter and scientists have proven how unethical and cruel the method of cutting the carotid artery on an animal actually is, with some animals, in particular young calves who have a very good supply of nerves and blood vessels on the top of their necks. This prolongs their consciousness and can cause terrible suffering and it can take a couple of minutes for them to die whilst suspended by a back leg in the air after the cut is made whilst they bleed to death. Obviously the animal is beyond terrified and will struggle. Sometimes cows are put in a contraption that lifts their chin in order to make the cut and turned upside down. I have watched a video of both methods and it is very obvious the animals are conscious for many seconds to a minute or more, you can see their terror, they are not reflexes. This is as an offering to Allah as it states (possibly in the Quaran) that animals have to be offered alive when slaughtered. More and more halal abbatoirs are now pre stunning but there are still many that don't which represent a great many. In 2018 48% of all halal slaughter was not prestunned. 24,000 cattle in 2022 were not prestunned and 2.7million sheep (which represents a horrific 22% of all animals slaughtered in the UK) were not prestunned. The figure for chickens is even worse with 22 million not stunned.

I have read extensive research about both methods because I like a lot of other peoplecannot understand why our government allows religious slaughter when it causes so much suffering and I, like many others try to avoid the halal mark on shop bought food and never eat meat from a restaurant if I know it is serving halal food.

I have friends/work colleagues who are Muslims and I do not regard them any different from myself in any way other than I would never share a meal with them for these reasons.

Just for reference I am a meat eater and try to buy ethically sourced meat from local butchers as well as the supermarket red tractor scheme meat.

OP posts:
Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2025 15:49

Singling out halal slaughter is odd.

Thats one word for it

SparrowFeet · 28/03/2025 15:48

Singling out halal slaughter is odd.

Do you think the animals that are stunned before slaughter have no idea what's going to happen? Do you have pets? Animals aren't stupid. Whether they feel pain or not before dying they're terrified, and that's not even considering the beforehand of being packed into trucks to be taken there in the first place. Or the way they are raised.

There may well be posters that say 'I only eat meat that is from the local farm' which is sent to a small abbatoir, done quickly, and transported with a few others. Fine - if youre going to pay someone to kill an animal for you then at least you're aware of it. Anyone else who buys free range or not from a supermarket, buys meat from takeaways, sandwich shops etc can pipe down. Your cognitive dissonance is alarming.

ButThisIsMyHappyFace · 28/03/2025 15:47

WanderInMyTime · 28/03/2025 13:41

Would you put kosher slaughter in the same category?

Kosher is much more strict in terms of what is needed than halal. Muslims can eat kosher, Jews cannot eat halal. Any suffering immediately renders the meat non-kosher and therefore inedible. Kosher slaughter is quicker than any other method short of wringing a chicken’s neck.

MsNevermore · 28/03/2025 15:45

I’d argue that if you’ve got scruples about the ethics of animal slaughter methods, then you shouldn’t be buying any mass produced meat at all - halal or not.
My uncle has been a butcher most of his life and before that he worked in an abattoir. I can’t imagine being lined up on a conveyor belt and taking between 200 and a 1000 volts to the dome is particularly pleasant.
Unless you’re raising your own animals and slaughtering them yourself, you’ve got to accept that supermarket meat isn’t particularly humane whatever the method. Or be a vegetarian 🤷🏻‍♀️
We live in the US and have friends and family who live rurally. Deer hunting season is massive for them and I’ve taken part in the hunt and the processing of the animal afterwards. Is it nice taking the life of a deer? No. But I’m much more comfortable eating an animal that I know died quickly and we took a lot of time and care to butcher it well. It’s also necessary in rural areas here to control the deer population. One adult deer can feed an average sized family for 6 months+.

ButThisIsMyHappyFace · 28/03/2025 15:44

HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 13:44

Yes I would. It is the same method, one a prayer is recited the other there is no prayer.

Sorry, but you’re wrong. Suffering makes meat non-kosher. The animal’s vagus nerve must be severed in one go, which causes loss of consciousness in a matter of a couple of seconds. Kosher is a LOT more strict than halal, which is why kosher meat is a lot more expensive. I’m an Orthodox Jew and we eat meat once a week because of the cost.

nfkl · 28/03/2025 15:39

I voted wrong, YANBU OP

LazyArsedMagician · 28/03/2025 15:38

I think most meat eaters are fairly ignorant about slaughterhouse welfare tbh.

Personally, I don't really care. I eat those animals. The way they are slaughtered isn't important to me.

Cathandkin · 28/03/2025 15:35

Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2025 15:34

Well as long as they don't use Halal methods to kill them first I assume OP thinks its ok

😂

Cathandkin · 28/03/2025 15:35

SonK · 28/03/2025 15:33

Muslim here, we are taught that animals should not sense any fear when being slaughtered and they should also not see any other animals being slaughtered before their turn ( so is should be done away from other animals) The prayer also combined with the petting before the act is supposed to be calming and a fast method is advised (non-use of dull equipment etc.)

Of course, meat is mass produced and most butchers don't slaughter the animals one by one in a calm environment whether they are being stunned or not / halal or non halal.

In practice the meat industry is not a pretty scene regardless of whether it is halal or not.

I actually have someone in my family, a practicing Muslim who is vegan and has been for a long time due to the treatment of animals in the meat industry.

Whether others consume meat, is their choice really, however I understand in your last paragraph you mentioned you try to eat "ethically sourced meat" - if we really want to consider the welfare of animals, there is no such thing as ethically sourced meat as the killing itself is simply unethical.

So on the that basis, how would you explain your meat consumption to someone who is vegan, or better yet a pescatarian?

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Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2025 15:34

JHound · 28/03/2025 15:33

I genuinely LOL’d at this. I actually have his voice in his head.

Well as long as they don't use Halal methods to kill them first I assume OP thinks its ok

JHound · 28/03/2025 15:33

Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2025 15:29

Some one will claim "they are eating the cats, they are eating the dogs" before too long

I genuinely LOL’d at this. I actually have his voice in my head.

😁

SonK · 28/03/2025 15:33

Muslim here, we are taught that animals should not sense any fear when being slaughtered and they should also not see any other animals being slaughtered before their turn ( so is should be done away from other animals) The prayer also combined with the petting before the act is supposed to be calming and a fast method is advised (non-use of dull equipment etc.)

Of course, meat is mass produced and most butchers don't slaughter the animals one by one in a calm environment whether they are being stunned or not / halal or non halal.

In practice the meat industry is not a pretty scene regardless of whether it is halal or not.

I actually have someone in my family, a practicing Muslim who is vegan and has been for a long time due to the treatment of animals in the meat industry.

Whether others consume meat, is their choice really, however I understand in your last paragraph you mentioned you try to eat "ethically sourced meat" - if we really want to consider the welfare of animals, there is no such thing as ethically sourced meat as the killing itself is simply unethical.

So on the that basis, how would you explain your meat consumption to someone who is vegan, or better yet a pescatarian?

JHound · 28/03/2025 15:33

Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2025 15:29

Some one will claim "they are eating the cats, they are eating the dogs" before too long

I genuinely LOL’d at this. I actually have his voice in his head.

Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2025 15:32

Cathandkin · 28/03/2025 15:31

Or that schools only celebrate Eid, not Easter 🙄

The Muslims are banning Easter Eggs!!!!
Or some other shite

Cathandkin · 28/03/2025 15:31

Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2025 15:29

Some one will claim "they are eating the cats, they are eating the dogs" before too long

Or that schools only celebrate Eid, not Easter 🙄

WilfredsPies · 28/03/2025 15:31

Would Muslims be horrified if they really knew what halal slaughter involved?

Why are you assuming that they don’t? And why are you talking like you have the moral high ground? If you really think that Halal slaughter is awful, but that your conscience is completely clear because your meat comes with a nice little sticker on it, then I suggest you spend time with some vegans who are passionate about animal welfare.

JHound · 28/03/2025 15:31

No.

I know and I don’t care. If I am happy for an animal to be slaughtered to feed me or so I can wear it’s skin fur and happy for cows to be kept in a constant state of pregnancy so I get my cheeses I am not going to quibble over Halal.

Cathandkin · 28/03/2025 15:30

If you eat meat, you know that slaughter is involved.

Coffeeishot · 28/03/2025 15:30

HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 13:44

Yes I would. It is the same method, one a prayer is recited the other there is no prayer.

Oh no you might catch the Muslim! Slaughterhouses are probably not for the faint hearted I mean a prayer and a throat slit must be awful for your poor " friend" was it ?

Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2025 15:29

TakeMe2Insanity · 28/03/2025 15:28

More gaslighting! Where has any muslim on this thread they are killing their personal livestock?

Some one will claim "they are eating the cats, they are eating the dogs" before too long

Cathandkin · 28/03/2025 15:29

I find it hard to believe that a man who works in abattoirs would be weeping in someone's arms over the practise of halal slaughter. Just my thoughts.

TakeMe2Insanity · 28/03/2025 15:28

Blackbirdsingssongs · 28/03/2025 15:13

Muslims born and raised in the UK shouldn’t be killing their own livestock.
Unless only their immediate family should be eating the meat.
Otherwise it is illegal.
I follow the Humane slaughter association. So only buy organic or red tractor. I don’t buy much chicken because the water bath stun isn’t very effective. So prefer organic pork or beef or lamb.
I care very much about their life before slaughter.

More gaslighting! Where has any muslim on this thread they are killing their personal livestock?

TakeMe2Insanity · 28/03/2025 15:27

1apenny2apenny · 28/03/2025 14:03

I’m not sure why you’re wondering what Muslims think, my understanding is that the majority of meat is slaughtered this way in the UK.

A better question would be to ask why the UK is allowing a minority religion (Muslims make up 6.5% of the population) to influence how our meat is slaughtered. We also need to ask
why we are letting religious beliefs seep into everyday elements of life in the UK although some groups seem to have a much tighter grip on this.

Your second paragraph is irrelevant to this thread. Before you create that thread look at how much money muslims give to charity and what muslims contribute to society not your drama headlines but the actual dr, dentists, teachers, etc.

RatandToad · 28/03/2025 15:26

Not sure why you are singling out halal and not kosher. In the UK, nearly 90% of halal meat is pre-stunned.

All abattoirs have to have an Official Veterinarian present to oversee and ensure animal welfare standards are maintained.

WatchingAmerica · 28/03/2025 15:25

WanderInMyTime · 28/03/2025 13:41

Would you put kosher slaughter in the same category?

I was going to say this. How does the OP know Jewish people and Muslims aren’t fully aware of how kosher and halal slaughter work?

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