Would Muslims be horrified if they really knew what halal slaughter involved?

Yes I would. It is the same method, one a prayer is recited the other there is no prayer.

One adult deer can feed an average sized family for 6 months+.

I don't disbelieve you but that is incredible. How large are american stags?

I love venison.

PLEASE DO NOT READ IF EASILY UPSET - REFERENCES TO ANIMAL SLAUGHTER

First of all I want to make it clear I am not being racist or am not racist in any way, shape or form, but this is a question I have often pondered for many years now.

My friends ex husband worked at a halal meat abbatoir and although he'd been a slaughterman for many years prior to this, it was using the traditional pre-stunning method prior to slaughter. I guess it's one of those less desirable jobs but it's one of those 'someone has to do it' jobs.
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He lasted a few days before quitting his job at this halal place, deeply distressed at what he witnessed, certainly distressed enough to be sobbing in my friends arms whilst he told her about it. I'll spare you the ghastly details but he witnessed a tremendous amount of suffering whilst working there and did report his findings to the local authority. They said that when they carried out a visit their findings were that the process was being carried out correctly.

The animals at some halal abbatoirs are not pre stunned before slaughter and scientists have proven how unethical and cruel the method of cutting the carotid artery on an animal actually is, with some animals, in particular young calves who have a very good supply of nerves and blood vessels on the top of their necks. This prolongs their consciousness and can cause terrible suffering and it can take a couple of minutes for them to die whilst suspended by a back leg in the air after the cut is made whilst they bleed to death. Obviously the animal is beyond terrified and will struggle. Sometimes cows are put in a contraption that lifts their chin in order to make the cut and turned upside down. I have watched a video of both methods and it is very obvious the animals are conscious for many seconds to a minute or more, you can see their terror, they are not reflexes. This is as an offering to Allah as it states (possibly in the Quaran) that animals have to be offered alive when slaughtered. More and more halal abbatoirs are now pre stunning but there are still many that don't which represent a great many. In 2018 48% of all halal slaughter was not prestunned. 24,000 cattle in 2022 were not prestunned and 2.7million sheep (which represents a horrific 22% of all animals slaughtered in the UK) were not prestunned. The figure for chickens is even worse with 22 million not stunned.

I have read extensive research about both methods because I like a lot of other peoplecannot understand why our government allows religious slaughter when it causes so much suffering and I, like many others try to avoid the halal mark on shop bought food and never eat meat from a restaurant if I know it is serving halal food.

I have friends/work colleagues who are Muslims and I do not regard them any different from myself in any way other than I would never share a meal with them for these reasons.

Just for reference I am a meat eater and try to buy ethically sourced meat from local butchers as well as the supermarket red tractor scheme meat.

But halal aside, a lot of our meat production and dairy production is not ethical.
So the over focus on Halal slaughter in that context is weird.

I think we would all be horrified if we were aware of what goes on in abattoirs

We prefer to make the choice of what we don't know we can't feel guilty about

Animals have to be slaughtered in order for people to eat meat. However, dismissing concerns about slaughter methods just because you think all slaughter is cruel is only perpetuating the current disgusting halal practices. Animals should be killed in the most humane ways possible and we should all be arguing for that, not dismissing anyone with concerns just because you are a vegetarian.

I'm an Ex Food safety EHO and worked for a London borough for 11 years and on 2 occasions, through some detective work with the Meat Hygiene service and later with the Food Standards Agency, we uncovered 2 halal popup/unlicensed/illegal slaughter houses... F**k me the videos still haunt me to this day. Fucking barbaric and the faces of those men while doing it.
The 2 we uncovered were just a tip of the iceberg - there are 100s of these.

Can Jews eat any meat that isn’t Kosher?

And who decides what’s painful of not? The very people who have a vested interest in saying no pain was felt by the animal? And what about the carcass of an animal that was declared non kosher after its death? What’s then done with the carcass?

No slaughter of an animal is whiter than white no matter which way it’s dressed up and deemed superior all other methods.

Gosh it's been almost a week since we've had one of these threads.

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Singling out halal slaughter is odd.

Do you think the animals that are stunned before slaughter have no idea what's going to happen? Do you have pets? Animals aren't stupid. Whether they feel pain or not before dying they're terrified, and that's not even considering the beforehand of being packed into trucks to be taken there in the first place. Or the way they are raised.

There may well be posters that say 'I only eat meat that is from the local farm' which is sent to a small abbatoir, done quickly, and transported with a few others. Fine - if youre going to pay someone to kill an animal for you then at least you're aware of it. Anyone else who buys free range or not from a supermarket, buys meat from takeaways, sandwich shops etc can pipe down. Your cognitive dissonance is alarming.

I doubt there’s many, if any Muslims, who don’t know what Halal slaughter involves given that Muslims grow up knowing how to slaughter their animals for food.

But more to the point - why are you concentrating on Islam when Judaism uses exactly the same method of slaughter?

Is it the fact Eid is just around the corner that’s prompted you to pick a particular group out to the exception of all others.

The Muslims are banning Easter Eggs!!!!
Or some other shite

Kosher is much more strict in terms of what is needed than halal. Muslims can eat kosher, Jews cannot eat halal. Any suffering immediately renders the meat non-kosher and therefore inedible. Kosher slaughter is quicker than any other method short of wringing a chicken’s neck.

Singling out halal slaughter is odd.

Thats one word for it