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Would Muslims be horrified if they really knew what halal slaughter involved?

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HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 13:31

PLEASE DO NOT READ IF EASILY UPSET - REFERENCES TO ANIMAL SLAUGHTER

First of all I want to make it clear I am not being racist or am not racist in any way, shape or form, but this is a question I have often pondered for many years now.

My friends ex husband worked at a halal meat abbatoir and although he'd been a slaughterman for many years prior to this, it was using the traditional pre-stunning method prior to slaughter. I guess it's one of those less desirable jobs but it's one of those 'someone has to do it' jobs.
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He lasted a few days before quitting his job at this halal place, deeply distressed at what he witnessed, certainly distressed enough to be sobbing in my friends arms whilst he told her about it. I'll spare you the ghastly details but he witnessed a tremendous amount of suffering whilst working there and did report his findings to the local authority. They said that when they carried out a visit their findings were that the process was being carried out correctly.

The animals at some halal abbatoirs are not pre stunned before slaughter and scientists have proven how unethical and cruel the method of cutting the carotid artery on an animal actually is, with some animals, in particular young calves who have a very good supply of nerves and blood vessels on the top of their necks. This prolongs their consciousness and can cause terrible suffering and it can take a couple of minutes for them to die whilst suspended by a back leg in the air after the cut is made whilst they bleed to death. Obviously the animal is beyond terrified and will struggle. Sometimes cows are put in a contraption that lifts their chin in order to make the cut and turned upside down. I have watched a video of both methods and it is very obvious the animals are conscious for many seconds to a minute or more, you can see their terror, they are not reflexes. This is as an offering to Allah as it states (possibly in the Quaran) that animals have to be offered alive when slaughtered. More and more halal abbatoirs are now pre stunning but there are still many that don't which represent a great many. In 2018 48% of all halal slaughter was not prestunned. 24,000 cattle in 2022 were not prestunned and 2.7million sheep (which represents a horrific 22% of all animals slaughtered in the UK) were not prestunned. The figure for chickens is even worse with 22 million not stunned.

I have read extensive research about both methods because I like a lot of other peoplecannot understand why our government allows religious slaughter when it causes so much suffering and I, like many others try to avoid the halal mark on shop bought food and never eat meat from a restaurant if I know it is serving halal food.

I have friends/work colleagues who are Muslims and I do not regard them any different from myself in any way other than I would never share a meal with them for these reasons.

Just for reference I am a meat eater and try to buy ethically sourced meat from local butchers as well as the supermarket red tractor scheme meat.

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economiczone5 · 28/03/2025 17:25

Simonjt · 28/03/2025 17:06

Surely if it wasn’t anti-islam you would have looked at kosher and also started a thread about jewish people? Plus if you caree about animal welfare you wouldn’t be paying people to harm and kill animals on your behalf, yet it appears to be okay for you to do that.

Would you like that? If a thread was created asking how Jewish people felt about kosher slaughter would you be accusing the author of being anti-Jewish and saying "well what about halal"?

ShelleyCarpenter · 28/03/2025 17:23

I’m so sorry, I pressed YABU instead of YANBU. It’s appalling. I couldn’t read your entire post but what I did read sounds so barbaric that it should be illegal.

AthWat · 28/03/2025 17:19

Blackbirdsingssongs · 28/03/2025 16:59

Above is someone saying Muslims know how to slaughter their own animals.
I didn’t make it up!

What you did is take the phrase "Muslims grow up knowing how to slaughter their animals for food" and draw the unwarranted conclusion that all Muslims are actually slaughtering animals. They could know how to because they are taught how it is done becuase it is significant to their religion, and I would presume that tis is what the poster meant.

Tinydogssitter · 28/03/2025 17:17

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Would it be okay if they stun the woman first?

Soontobe60 · 28/03/2025 17:16

misssunshine4040 · 28/03/2025 13:50

It’s all absolutely vile. Religious sacrifice of animals in this day and age is absolutely abhorrent.
Slaughtered animals should be show dignity and minimal distress.
Meat should be a premium product to reflect this

halal slaughter isnt a religious sacrifice though

Cathandkin · 28/03/2025 17:11

WatchingAmerica · 28/03/2025 17:06

It does come across as possibly Islamophobic when Eid is in a couple of days, especially as you didn’t mention kosher slaughter in the original post.

Yes, I agree. It was another poster who filled us in on the details about kosher.

ButThisIsMyHappyFace · 28/03/2025 17:10

SometimesCalmPerson · 28/03/2025 16:49

Then why use a thread title that only mentions a predominantly brown group and not the other predominantly white group that uses exactly the same method of slaughter?

What’s that about?

Your own contribution to the slaughter of animals is really not much better.

Jews are white now? This is news to us.

We are a tribe. Our identity pre-dates modern Western attempts to categorise people. Please leave us out of it - Jews are not a rhetorical device.

Logging off now for Shabbat. Peace everyone.

DonutRings · 28/03/2025 17:09

ButThisIsMyHappyFace · 28/03/2025 15:44

Sorry, but you’re wrong. Suffering makes meat non-kosher. The animal’s vagus nerve must be severed in one go, which causes loss of consciousness in a matter of a couple of seconds. Kosher is a LOT more strict than halal, which is why kosher meat is a lot more expensive. I’m an Orthodox Jew and we eat meat once a week because of the cost.

This is interesting because the Islamic practice also requires the cutting of the vagus nerve as well as cutting the artery and that should result in the sudden blood loss and loss of consciousness that you describe. In that sense, traditional halal slaughter in terms of technical practice is the same as kosher (also rules of no suffering, animal shouldn't witness another animal being slaughtered etc).

Where it differs is the modern application of the rules. Factory farms and abatoirs that claim to be 'halal' can't possibly meet the animal welfare requirements that halal slaughter is supposed to ensure. I would go so far as to say the majority of halal food in the UK doesn't actually meet the true religious requirements, but are certificated anyway.

Blackbirdsingssongs · 28/03/2025 17:08

All meat and fish eaters should care how their food is produced.
But I don’t eat meat, but the rest of my family do.
I think everyone should eat less meat especially chicken. The poor things only live on average 42 days, permanently hungry, eating until they can’t stand up because they are growing far too fast. And they are top heavy.

SaffronsMadAboutMe · 28/03/2025 17:08

itsaligh · 28/03/2025 16:03

i don't believe you. Find the last one.

It went to the MN bin like most of these threads do.

I'm distraught that you don't believe me though.

You've ruined my whole weekend.

Mistyglade · 28/03/2025 17:08

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WatchingAmerica · 28/03/2025 17:06

HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 16:50

I can assure you it isn't race baiting. I was curious. Thank you for the answers. No offence intended.

i don't know much about kosher so didn't discuss it that's why.

I'm not sure why some people have taken offence when none was intended.

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It does come across as possibly Islamophobic when Eid is in a couple of days, especially as you didn’t mention kosher slaughter in the original post.

Simonjt · 28/03/2025 17:06

HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 16:50

I can assure you it isn't race baiting. I was curious. Thank you for the answers. No offence intended.

i don't know much about kosher so didn't discuss it that's why.

I'm not sure why some people have taken offence when none was intended.

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Surely if it wasn’t anti-islam you would have looked at kosher and also started a thread about jewish people? Plus if you caree about animal welfare you wouldn’t be paying people to harm and kill animals on your behalf, yet it appears to be okay for you to do that.

Blackbirdsingssongs · 28/03/2025 17:03

@TakeMe2Insanity for you. Someone said Muslims know how to slaughter.

Cathandkin · 28/03/2025 17:03

AthWat · 28/03/2025 17:01

Because somebody specifically brought it up to ask why it wasn't covered.

So it's been covered, in considerable depth.

WatchingAmerica · 28/03/2025 17:03

Maitri108 · 28/03/2025 16:54

I don't dismiss slaughter methods. I think the way animals are treated throughout their lives to their horrific deaths, horrendous. I haven't eaten meat for nearly 40 years as I don't want anything to do with it.

I find the handwringing from meat eaters who only seem to have concerns about Halal/Kosher disengenuous.

Have you seen videos of animals being tortured in abattoirs? Have you seen trucks stuffed full of animals going to slaughter? Have you heard animals screaming before they're 'humanely' killed?

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I feel the same and haven’t eaten meat for over 40 years. Even as a child I was aware that people were feeding me chunks of flesh. When I see a chicken sandwich I think that’s a diced-up dead bird.

AthWat · 28/03/2025 17:02

JohnTheRevelator · 28/03/2025 16:59

I was in a relationship with a Muslim man for nearly 5 years, and yes,I can safely say that from what he told me,most Muslims know exactly what is involved in halal slaughter.

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Well, I mean, no you can't. You can just say that he did.

AthWat · 28/03/2025 17:01

Cathandkin · 28/03/2025 16:59

The predominantly white group? Do you mean Jews?
Read the thread. Kosher is covered.

Because somebody specifically brought it up to ask why it wasn't covered.

JohnTheRevelator · 28/03/2025 16:59

I was in a relationship with a Muslim man for nearly 5 years, and yes,I can safely say that from what he told me,most Muslims know exactly what is involved in halal slaughter.

Blackbirdsingssongs · 28/03/2025 16:59

Weepixie · 28/03/2025 14:41

I doubt there’s many, if any Muslims, who don’t know what Halal slaughter involves given that Muslims grow up knowing how to slaughter their animals for food.

But more to the point - why are you concentrating on Islam when Judaism uses exactly the same method of slaughter?

Is it the fact Eid is just around the corner that’s prompted you to pick a particular group out to the exception of all others.

Above is someone saying Muslims know how to slaughter their own animals.
I didn’t make it up!

Cathandkin · 28/03/2025 16:59

SometimesCalmPerson · 28/03/2025 16:49

Then why use a thread title that only mentions a predominantly brown group and not the other predominantly white group that uses exactly the same method of slaughter?

What’s that about?

Your own contribution to the slaughter of animals is really not much better.

The predominantly white group? Do you mean Jews?
Read the thread. Kosher is covered.

Maitri108 · 28/03/2025 16:54

OneBadKitty · 28/03/2025 16:27

Animals have to be slaughtered in order for people to eat meat. However, dismissing concerns about slaughter methods just because you think all slaughter is cruel is only perpetuating the current disgusting halal practices. Animals should be killed in the most humane ways possible and we should all be arguing for that, not dismissing anyone with concerns just because you are a vegetarian.

I don't dismiss slaughter methods. I think the way animals are treated throughout their lives to their horrific deaths, horrendous. I haven't eaten meat for nearly 40 years as I don't want anything to do with it.

I find the handwringing from meat eaters who only seem to have concerns about Halal/Kosher disengenuous.

Have you seen videos of animals being tortured in abattoirs? Have you seen trucks stuffed full of animals going to slaughter? Have you heard animals screaming before they're 'humanely' killed?

AthWat · 28/03/2025 16:54

If I were a sheep, and I was going to be halal slaughtered, and somebody came running up to me shouting "Don't worry, I'll save you, I care about animals!", I'd probably be very grateful. But if they then explained that by save me they meant just from the halal part, because they absolutely wanted to kill me and eat me, just not like that, I might, as a sheep, feel they were being a tad hypocritical. I might try and explain that it was the being killed part of it that was my main concern, and wonder what it was that was driving them to such concern over my welfare on this specific point when killing me and eating me and saying "yum, delicious!" didn't even figure on their list of things to avoid.

Smallmercies · 28/03/2025 16:50

OneBadKitty · 28/03/2025 16:27

Animals have to be slaughtered in order for people to eat meat. However, dismissing concerns about slaughter methods just because you think all slaughter is cruel is only perpetuating the current disgusting halal practices. Animals should be killed in the most humane ways possible and we should all be arguing for that, not dismissing anyone with concerns just because you are a vegetarian.

How many slaughterhouses have you personally visited/inspected?

HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 16:50

Shanzeleezeh · 28/03/2025 16:12

Not Muslim but I have no doubt this is more race baiting nonsense. If you don’t want to eat Halal or Kosher don’t eat it. You’re naive if you think animals farmed for food fare much better in non Halal or kosher places.

I can assure you it isn't race baiting. I was curious. Thank you for the answers. No offence intended.

i don't know much about kosher so didn't discuss it that's why.

I'm not sure why some people have taken offence when none was intended.

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