Would Muslims be horrified if they really knew what halal slaughter involved?

What, aside from your over-active imagination, makes you think Muslims don't already know what halal slaughter involves?

Also, why exclude Jewish kosher slaughter from your objections?

YABU and precious.

Why do you find it odd that people who are anti halal are also anti kosher? Do you not find it weirder that someone isn’t okay with halal, apparently cares about animals, yet isn’t bothered about kosher slaughter or even finding out about it? If someone genuinely had issues about slaughter, they’d find out about different types, not just one. I know they’re fairly similar (ex muslim), as someone who actually cares about animals, they’re both awful, just as non-religious killing of animals is also awful.

You have literally said that the author needs to start a kosher questioning thread for every halal questioning thread. I find that odd. This thread was obviously not started by a Jewish person yet people always need to bring Jews into the conversation and seem to want kosher to be attacked too rather than defending both halal and kosher food against those who would like both banned? Jewish and Muslim dietary laws are actually quite similar, so instead of saying "but what about Jews/kosher", there should be solidarity between Jews and Muslims when it comes to dietary laws against those who would ban both.

You do know you’re talking absolute rubbish killing animals is always painful, but that’s the price they pay for our meat

Why would I ask the OP to make two halal threads for every kosher thread they chose to start? Theres already an anti-islam thread, we’re all posting on it.

Op would it bother you if halal meat was all stunned first?

I agree, if you care about animals and animal welfare you wouldn’t pay someone to murder them on your behalf. You also wouldn’t pay someone to keep them indoors, feed them an innapropriate diet etc.

We have four chickens, we got them from a free range farm who obviously send them to slaughter when they’re not laying enough eggs, you can now sometimes rehome them. They were in poor condition, they all needed work doing on their beaks and all had very overgrown claws.

So you wouldn't accuse someone who started a thread about what Jewish people think about kosher slaughter as "anti-Jewish". How interesting.

This thread already discusses at length both halal and kosher slaughter. Kosher slaughter has been thoroughly explained.

If you go shopping for meat or poultry in any of the big supermarkets, none of the meat will be kosher unless you go to the kosher meat section because it is very niche because there is a tiny Jewish community and low demand for kosher food. In contrast, most meat and poultry is by default halal, even if you are non-Muslim, there are far more halal abattoirs and far more animals are slaughtered in accordance with halal because it is normally the standard meat bought by supermarkets, regardless of whether people want to eat it or not, it is almost always automatically halal because there is more demand for it. Perhaps that is why there is more of a focus on halal because it is produced in amounts an order of magnitude larger than kosher meat and anyone not wanting to eat kosher meat can do so by not buying kosher meat (which is not sold in most places), whereas anyone not wanting to buy halal meat would have to find a supermarket which doesn't automatically sell all meat as halal.

I fail to understand how anyone who eats meat feels that they can take a high ground when it comes to the slaughter of animals in abattoirs.

The above is all legal and standard in the UK, I would love to know which farm isn’t using crates to transport chicken, is providing food on the journey, water and perches.

Absolutely. Sorry Op but this is very hypocritical. Have a look at transport of all ( halal and non halal) to slaughter for a start?
I think there are better ways but it costs a lot more. I do eat meat a couple of times a week from our village farm . It’s super expensive but I’d rather not have it than have the cheap stuff from Asda.

Certainly not at the farm that I buy my meat from!!!

There are regulations in place for animal slaughter so if you are aware of any particular cases that they suffer like you mention you should report them.

Around 88% of halal is now stunned in the UK but unless the meat is certified as being stunned I won't eat it. 88% isn't high enough. It needs to be 100%

And ban the import of foie gras too!

It is but you'll get a lot of whatabouttery

Clearly any method that causes unnecessary suffering should be banned if there is a better method available. However because most Muslims are not white you'll simply be accused of racism.

It's just another issue that because of our liberal western values we won't grasp the nettle on and say, sorry Muslims, your belief in your own particular sky fairy doesn't mean that animals should be killed in an unnecessarily brutal way.

Of course it's issues like this the the right pick up and weaponise and suddenly you end up with a Trump style figure

In the UK the majority of halal meat is stunned, however all animals who are slaughtered suffer, that may be when they are being killed, it may be when they have their legs or wings broken in tiny chicken crates, it may be the fear and dehydration as they’re driven long distances to be slaughtered. Male chicks are shredded alive, seems a fair amount of suffering there.

Animals should not suffer during slaughter.

I refuse to eat halal/kosher meat unless they can certify it has been stunned. It's barbaric. The blood is supposed to drain quickly but the animal clearly suffers.

I also refuse to eat foie gras because that's equally barbaric. The method is illegal in the UK but it's still imported!

I also think slaughter without stunning should also be made illegal in the UK.

I am a meat eater, just organic only and not a lot of it.

I’ve been vegan for thirty years. You’re preaching to the converted. X

In an ideal world we probably wouldn't eat meat at all, for many reasons. But whether animals end up in a casserole or not doesn't really matter - we all die eventually. At least we can do our best to make the death as painless and as peaceful as possible.

No as the OP already has a halal thread, so it would be odd to pretend it didn’t already exist. But yes if the OP genuinely cared about animal welfare they should either be creating a kosher thread, or accepting that a single thread needs to be about all slaughter.

I think it's appalling that the usual rules about humane killing of animals (or any other law, for that matter) can be avoided for religious reasons. I do not buy halal meat.

Does meat exist which is from animals who died gently in their sleep while laying on a bed of rose petals and being serenaded by choirs of fairies? Having lived long lives of luxury and contentment?

If you’re a cow or a sheep no life where you end up in a casserole seems ideal.

I would assume the post was anti-Semitic, yes.