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To go abroad when working from home?

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StreakOfTheWeek · 28/03/2025 07:45

If I went to Italy or France or Spain or wherever... and logged in and did my work - would this be wrong?
I work 8-2 Mon - Thurs normally
Never have to go into office, except for 4 meetings a year.

And I would work as usual, and thought I could then spend the afternoons exploring and taking it all in.

There's nothing wrong with my idea, is there??

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Idontjetwashthefucker · 28/03/2025 09:55

lazycats · 28/03/2025 09:39

The issue is many (most?) employers don’t allow it for data protection reasons. So asking mumsnet whether it’s ok is pointless

Not compatible, you have an office in Paris. OP by the sounds of it, wants a holiday but doesn't want to book annual leave, so wants to work from wherever she's staying.

I wouldn't allow this is I was her employer

EndorsingPRActice · 28/03/2025 09:55

My employer has an overseas working policy, if you get prior approval you can work for extended periods of time from overseas. Some countries are banned for security reasons. A colleague did this a couple of years ago when a parent was ill. It isn't an approval that's given frequently as we are required to be in the office 50% of the time and available to come in if needed all the time.

Hydrahelix · 28/03/2025 09:55

ThisUniqueDreamer · 28/03/2025 09:08

What you're planning to do is go on holiday several times a year without using your annual leave allowance to do it.

You're trying to get extra holiday days that you're not entitled to.

I think your employer will see through that. There's no good asking us ask your employer, but do not under any circumstances, do it without permission.

This. You're trying to turn a weekend away into a week's holiday. We can see it and your employer certainly will. If I was managing you, I'd be very suspicious and want to carefully monitor what work you were actually doing.

Wheelz46 · 28/03/2025 09:55

You will need to check your policy for working overseas.

My employer certainly would not allow it, we even having to sign documentation that we will not work outside of our own homes, so not allowed to set shop up at friends or families houses.

Nanny0gg · 28/03/2025 09:54

StreakOfTheWeek · 28/03/2025 09:19

Why are people so convinced that a home UK wifi network is far more secure than France's for example?

Just check the bloomin' policy instead of arguing on here

The whole subject may be moot if they don't allow it

Redcrayons · 28/03/2025 09:54

they Introduced work from anywhere at my last place and lots of people used it to extend their holidays by a week. it was pretty popular.
it was limited to 3 weeks a year, you had to have permission and be available during UK hours.

Dont try and do it and not let them know because Sod’s Law means something will happen that you have to contact them about and it will go tits up. Or, as other people have pointed out, if you log into any company systems, IT will know.

Petra42 · 28/03/2025 09:53

Mine do it loads but they make their team aware.

2JFDIYOLO · 28/03/2025 09:53

Check all the terms and conditions. In my last role we were not allowed to take laptops out of the UK unless on official business and also not supposed to log on in EG cafes with WiFi as it wasn't considered secure. I imagine your IT people would be able to tell if one of their laptops was logged in overseas?

Idontgiveagriffindamn · 28/03/2025 09:51

Surely it depends on your work policy. At my work you have to apply each time to be allowed to work from abroad and there might be restrictions placed upon the systems you can access.
No one here can tell you whether you’re allowed to work fro a broad or not

JHound · 28/03/2025 09:49

lazycats · 28/03/2025 09:39

The issue is many (most?) employers don’t allow it for data protection reasons. So asking mumsnet whether it’s ok is pointless

If they will allow employees to work from home, it makes no sense to somehow have data privacy concerns when “home” is a different country or a different city.

But I agree she has to see what her employer states.

For us “remote working” means just that. The only challenge would be if we could not be reached.

OopsyDaisie · 28/03/2025 09:48

We do this is my company, but it needs to be for a short time as nit to create tax issues if you "reside" in that country.
And it needs to be communicated in advance and Internet always connected to our VPN due to data protection.

Middleagedstriker · 28/03/2025 09:48

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Mine doesn't mention it either way. It's a fair enough question from the OP. Hate it when people are deliberately rude.

Tbrh · 28/03/2025 09:48

Obviously you ask your manager?

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HisNibs · 28/03/2025 09:47

"If I went to Italy or France or Spain or wherever... and logged in and did my work - would this be wrong?"
Do you have a work visa or permit for the countries you're planning on going to? If the answer to that is no, then it would be wrong. As pp have said, there can also be tax implications. Now add in the data security issues. Does your insurance cover any company issued equipment?

Hdjdb42 · 28/03/2025 09:45

Our company allows this, but they have to know about it. Just ask them and see what they say.

Hillary17 · 28/03/2025 09:43

Depending on the size of your company, your security team will immediately know you have logged in from another country. If you need to access a server for example, likely won’t work. Best thing is to just ask the question. If you already have a flexible working environment (which it sounds like you do), they may be open to it ad-hoc.

Dearg · 28/03/2025 09:43

There’s a lot of responses saying that it’s fine with their employers, which is all well and good, but as several have pointed out, any work done while in another country may have tax implications for you and/ or your company; may have insurance implications and very likely has data security implications.

I travelled a lot for work and in some countries we required customs declarations for laptops & phones , or any other equipment; in others, such as Norway, we had to pay Norwegian tax on our income earned there.

Sadly, since Brexit, it’s harder just to move locations and start work.

Polistock · 28/03/2025 09:42

Nannyfannybanny · 28/03/2025 08:47

Clue is in the word HOME.

In the big girl world, it's generally called working remotely and plenty of people on this thread have workplaces that allow it, making it a completely reasonable question.

Like others, my company allows 20 days/year.

lazycats · 28/03/2025 09:39

JHound · 28/03/2025 09:34

We do it all the time.

I go to my hometown and will work from my mother’s house.

I have colleagues who will go to Paris. Work from
the Paris office. Or work from their hotel in Paris. I don’t see the issue. It’s only a problem if you want to go to Australia and are on a completely different time zone.

The issue is many (most?) employers don’t allow it for data protection reasons. So asking mumsnet whether it’s ok is pointless

AllTheChaos · 28/03/2025 09:39

StreakOfTheWeek · 28/03/2025 09:19

Why are people so convinced that a home UK wifi network is far more secure than France's for example?

Some of our clients require us to only process their data in certain jurisdictions, we pay (a lot) extra to ensure this is the case (eg cloud storage only in certain countries). Some random hotel in Europe is unlikely to be able to give the same guarantees when you are using their wifi! You could inadvertently cause your company to violate its agreements with clients, in addition to increasing the risk of a hacking incident as shared public WiFi is not secure, do you really think that taking such risks is ok?

ThisUniqueDreamer · 28/03/2025 09:37

If the loses her job ober this then there won't be any holidays at all.Let alone free ones to avoid using her annual leave entitlement.

It's her risk to run, and it's her decision to do it, but I think it's very foolhardy.

moonsunandstars · 28/03/2025 09:37

I am fully remote and my employer only allows 6 weeks a year working abroad at designated times over the summer and at Christmas.

ChestyIaRue · 28/03/2025 09:35

It would be a disciplinary matter where I work. It’s something we looked at when hybrid working was introduced but the tax and data security risks were too big so we have a blanket ban and geo-tracing on our systems.

You’d need to understand your company’s policy. I wouldn’t take the risk of just doing it without knowing if it’s permitted.

LondonPapa · 28/03/2025 09:35

StreakOfTheWeek · 28/03/2025 09:19

Why are people so convinced that a home UK wifi network is far more secure than France's for example?

There is a chance of hacking anywhere but doing this in a country you’re not meant to will result in dismissal with most companies. Get permission before you try.