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To go abroad when working from home?

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StreakOfTheWeek · 28/03/2025 07:45

If I went to Italy or France or Spain or wherever... and logged in and did my work - would this be wrong?
I work 8-2 Mon - Thurs normally
Never have to go into office, except for 4 meetings a year.

And I would work as usual, and thought I could then spend the afternoons exploring and taking it all in.

There's nothing wrong with my idea, is there??

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Crazybaby123 · 28/03/2025 12:23

I have done it and it was fine but I did tell my employer.
How good are their IT department as a good IT department will know if you are connecting via foreign networks.
The issues for employers are usually around tax, liability insurance, security and employment law.

SunnySideUK77 · 28/03/2025 12:21

I’d get sacked for that in my organisation because of the tax implications (someone else was). Check with HR

LiquoriceAllsorts2 · 28/03/2025 12:20

We can apply for this at my work but for an eu country it will only be granted if you have the right to work in the eu.

we can’t do it without the authorisation. My company has found out about people doing it without authorisation in the past as when they have called them the dialing tone has been for abroad.

travelwaffle · 28/03/2025 12:18

HisNibs · 28/03/2025 10:40

VPNs can solve some of the issues but some countries restrict their use (such as Egypt, UAE, Myanmar) and some countries it is completely illegal (China, Iran, Turkey etc).

Corporate VPNs are not generally restricted (although I can't comment on Myanmar) and most definitely are not 'completely illegal' in China and Turkey!

Using a VPN to access services or sites the government hasn't approved is often illegal. And sometimes governments will restrict access to certain VPN providers. It's not something that would normally be an issue for corporate VPN usage.

That said VPNs don't get around the data protection, tax or (depending on what is stored directly on your laptop) cybercrime risk. Actually not that long ago my company had France specifically on the list of high risk countries for cybercrimes and wouldn't allow you to take a company lap top there unless there was no confidential information on the hard drive.

We have a work from anywhere x days a year policy - there are specific countries it applies to (where the tax risk and data protection has been assessed) and you can only work from a country if you are allowed to under that country's immigration laws.

There are also countries where I'm not even allowed to bring my work phone with me because of security concerns.

OnePerkyRedDog · 28/03/2025 12:13

My work are fine with it as long as it’s no more than a week at a time and not to a restricted country. You have to ask your line manager for permission first though.

Surely your contract will mention this? If not asking won’t hurt.

TeapotTitties · 28/03/2025 12:08

Why are you asking randoms on a chat site instead of your employer?

Just ask them.

ForgottenPasswordNewAccount · 28/03/2025 12:07

My company allows this but we need to let ICT know as our VPN is set to Ireland and you cannot access any systems from outside Ireland

But some people have head off "home" for a couple months - no issues but we are in the EU

HereForTheFreeLunch · 28/03/2025 12:04

Ddakji · 28/03/2025 11:31

Interesting. We don’t have any of that. I’ve logged into my email from my phone when out and about and no one has either noticed or cares.

I guess it’s specific to the kind of work you do.

It's very much the company - they are just super cautious. DH does a similar job and can work from anywhere for a few weeks every year.
One day when the kids are older I am going to move to his company!

notimagain · 28/03/2025 12:02

There are two sides to this, it’s all very well a UK employer saying there are no tax implications for them but the tax authorities in e.g. France, if that’s where someone decides to WFH from, might very well expect a tax return to be filed with a view to assessing liability for income tax and social charges.

edit to add: yes you can pay income tax in two countries, even if employed by a UK based company….

If the OP is serious about this and wants to stay squeaky clean professional advice might be a good idea.

MrsSunshine2b · 28/03/2025 11:53

It depends on your company policy and the nature of their work.

I absolutely couldn't do this, due to GDPR and security. If I could I'd be living somewhere hot and sunny all year round.

You need to ask.

LurcherMumma · 28/03/2025 11:52

What I definitely would not do is sneak off and do it anyway, with the hope that your employers don't notice and assume you're at home.
You almost certainly run into issues.

LurcherMumma · 28/03/2025 11:51

Love to do those hours WFH in the UK tbh sounds like a dream!

But as others have said best to check with company policy. DH have colleagues that do 2 weeks alternating in a different European country but this is prior arranged. They are OK with it on a security/connection basis but I'm not sure the tax situation.

Avatartar · 28/03/2025 11:49

Doesn’t matter what the internet thinks
About security, what your employers say is the important thing or your in breach of contract at best and could loose your job or at worst loose your job and put the company at risk.
what is their working abroad policy? Usually a set number of days a year, the company often has to have a branch operating in that jurisdiction, not be on a list of countries your firm won’t trade with.
Just enquire through the proper channels then you know

EdnaTheWitch · 28/03/2025 11:36

As PP suggest, you need to check with employer. You also need to check rules for whatever country you’re in, as ‘technically’ you might require a work visa.

Ddakji · 28/03/2025 11:31

HereForTheFreeLunch · 28/03/2025 11:02

VPN could mask the IP location - which is why our employer doesn't allow us to use any other VPN than their one.

We login via a security app, 2 factor authentication, Citrix tunnel to my virtual laptop. They absolutely DO know I am logging in from a radius of X metres around my home.
They don't mind coffee shops, anywhere in the country - but even Wales and Scotland is not acceptable.

Interesting. We don’t have any of that. I’ve logged into my email from my phone when out and about and no one has either noticed or cares.

I guess it’s specific to the kind of work you do.

Sweetleftfood · 28/03/2025 11:11

If agreed yes, I did it when my dad died and I had to go and sort out funeral etc. Work laptop and brothers wi-fi. This was Europe but in the pandemic, one person in my workplace had the same and she worked from Australia for some time. So I guess it totally depends on the company you work for. Our IT were very on it and very hot on security.

Hadjab · 28/03/2025 11:04

I am allowed to do this, I just need to let IT know that I'm abroad for logging in purposes, and there are no tax implications, according to HR.

AlexisP90 · 28/03/2025 11:03

My company allow this. They have a work from anywhere policy for 3 weeks per year. Most people tag it on and have a long holiday.

I wouldnt just do it though. I would ask them.
There could be issues with data and IT etc.

And imagine if they did need you to come into the office for an emergency meeting. Would be awkward explaining that.

I would definitely ask them

HereForTheFreeLunch · 28/03/2025 11:02

Ddakji · 28/03/2025 10:25

I am absolutely not a techie person, but would using a VPN solve these security/data issues? Or some of them?

Feel free to laugh in my face if that’s a ludicrous comment.

Im sure there’s lots of advice out there for people wanting to be digital nomads.

VPN could mask the IP location - which is why our employer doesn't allow us to use any other VPN than their one.

We login via a security app, 2 factor authentication, Citrix tunnel to my virtual laptop. They absolutely DO know I am logging in from a radius of X metres around my home.
They don't mind coffee shops, anywhere in the country - but even Wales and Scotland is not acceptable.

olololpk · 28/03/2025 10:57

No one can answer this except your employer. If they are efficient, they will already have a policy on this. If they don’t, I would seek permission from your manager.

NormaNormalPants · 28/03/2025 10:57

Someone at my company got sacked for this. Best to check your own company’s policies to be sure it’s allowed.

EquinoxQueen · 28/03/2025 10:55

ask first. ESP if local government.

person in our work didn’t. They couldn’t log in and asked IT for help. They identified they were outside the uk. He had the choice to resign or to be fired.

JHound · 28/03/2025 10:53

Hydrahelix · 28/03/2025 10:43

Did you not notice that she's planning to have afternoons off to explore? And some businesses don't routinely monitor whether people are at their computers, actually working. Admittedly more do since it became clear that productivity was dropping, but still a lot rely on trust.

No she isn’t.

She said her work hours are 8-2.

Post 2 is her own time in the UK or overseas. What she does in that time is her own affair.

WasteOfPaint · 28/03/2025 10:52

I've done it in Spain and Amsterdam, but my employer allows working from another country for up to 30 business days per year. You need to check your policy and/or ask permission - you won't find the answer on Mumsnet.

AliceMcK · 28/03/2025 10:51

lazycats · 28/03/2025 10:20

It is a simple yes or no - either her company allows it or it doesn’t

She’s asking if she should do it but dosnt state if it’s allowed or not, so no, not a simple yes or no. I said ask your company!

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