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Why do MPs get subsidised food?

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IShotTheDeputyItWasMe · 27/03/2025 13:51

Ok, if they are travelling, they should not be out of pocket. Like many workers, they should be able to claim reasonable expenses depending how long they are away on work trips etc.

However, I've never known any pubpic sector workplace put alcohol on expenses as standard. I've also never known any workplace to pay for their workers lunches when they are in their normal place of work.

Some companies may run a subsidised canteen but that will come put of the company profits, not the public purse.

Basically, why do we pay to subsidise food and then pay again to cover unreasonable food costs?

OP posts:
derxa · 28/03/2025 04:41

givenuponlabour · 28/03/2025 01:36

Omg is this true?

It is true. He admitted it.

givenuponlabour · 28/03/2025 01:36

MissMarplesNiece · 27/03/2025 17:37

It's one big gravy train. I often wonder what they actually spend their salaries on when they can claim expenses for so many of the things that the rest of us have to pay for. Even then they're not satisfied and we get MPs like Pat McFadden, current Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, who rented the house next door to the one he owned and claimed over £40,000 on expenses. Nice work if you can get it.

Omg is this true?

Undrugged · 28/03/2025 00:57

CarpetKnees · 27/03/2025 22:18

I imagine same as any job where you have to attend a different location to regular work place- you can claim lunch as expenses and travel to / from as an expense

Not where I work you can't.

Local Authority. You take your own packed lunch. There has been no budget for 'expenses' (other than mileage - and there are restrictions on that) for many, many years, because LAs budgets have been cut to the bone since 2010.

This is what happens when you are paid from the public purse....... oh, wait. Hmm

Same here although a different public sector employer.

i don’t think people here have a very realistic picture of what working in the PS is like ;)

If it’s so cushty, the come and join us! We always need intelligent, rational, non-partisan, impartial staff. Extra points for a hair shirt and trust fund. You’ll need it ;)

Undrugged · 28/03/2025 00:53

Emanresuunknown · 27/03/2025 19:07

Very very few workplaces now have a canteen. £3-7 is extremely cheap for a hot meal in central London most workers will pay far more than that.

Public sector here and yeah we count ourselves lucky to get cheap instant coffee for free. Nothing is subsidised, the vending machines our place charge a fortune for a measly bag of crisps.
And we earn way less than MP's 🙄

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I've been to literally 100s of public sector workplaces where you can get soup and a slice of bread, costs around £3-4 quid, basically cost price plus a bit. Most of my young colleagues can’t run to that and bring leftovers in as do, I cos I’m single with expensive children.

My private sector friends genuinely could not believe there were no coffee and tea- making supplies in my office. No coffee &tea for external visitors including international delegations flying in from Japan, Korea, etc. if you want to extend basic hospitality you will need to buy drinks yourself, for guests.

Renember, self-employed can rebate anything that’s a “business expense” and knock it off their income tax liability. PAYE folk have no such leeway …

caringcarer · 28/03/2025 00:35

CoffeeBeansGalore · 27/03/2025 17:39

And why are their utility bills subsidised by upto £3400 per year?
The pensioners lose the £300 winter fuel allowance in the name of cost cutting, yet MPs can still claim theirs.
They all spout the good intentions promising the world. Then get their snouts right in the trough and screw the people who elected them.

In the same week they are taking a free hot meal away from some DC they will be guzzling down 3 cours meals washed down with a good wine. It is sickening.

CarpetKnees · 27/03/2025 22:18

I imagine same as any job where you have to attend a different location to regular work place- you can claim lunch as expenses and travel to / from as an expense

Not where I work you can't.

Local Authority. You take your own packed lunch. There has been no budget for 'expenses' (other than mileage - and there are restrictions on that) for many, many years, because LAs budgets have been cut to the bone since 2010.

This is what happens when you are paid from the public purse....... oh, wait. Hmm

CarpetKnees · 27/03/2025 22:15

wastingtimeonhere · 27/03/2025 20:58

I've always thought there should be flats in a big block, security provision, each studio has a basic bedroom with study area and ensuite, like students get in halls. A canteen on site , budget same as school/ nursing homes. No need for 2nd homes. Might concentrate the minds on provision for the poorest/ vulnerable at tge sane time.

I've said this for years.

Like a halls of residence for MPs who need to stay over for the 1/2 week they are there. No idea why we are paying for 2nd homes.

CarpetKnees · 27/03/2025 22:07

GasPanic · 27/03/2025 19:34

Suppose it depends whether you factor in the cost of providing the MPs with security when they are dining out, and the cost and time of transiting backwards and forwards to all those restaurants of course.

Or, here's a thought, taking in their own pack lunch like everyone else ?

Plus, all MPs don't have individual security all day.

CarpetKnees · 27/03/2025 22:05

MyLimeGuide · 27/03/2025 19:30

Not private. SEN. But yeah my sister works at a private school and gets free lunches.

Eating a school dinner on a plastic tray, with the dc coughing and sneezing all over it, in exchange for supervising the dc at dinnertime, is not quite the same as the menu quoted by a pp in a civilised dining room, so let's not pretend here.

Coffeeishot · 27/03/2025 21:54

wastingtimeonhere · 27/03/2025 20:58

I've always thought there should be flats in a big block, security provision, each studio has a basic bedroom with study area and ensuite, like students get in halls. A canteen on site , budget same as school/ nursing homes. No need for 2nd homes. Might concentrate the minds on provision for the poorest/ vulnerable at tge sane time.

Yes I think they should have this sort of accommodation . Get your room and bathroom what else do they need really?

Springee · 27/03/2025 21:49

Seems like a reasonable deal to me. I've worked in lots of public sector places with an entertaining in house budget and subsidised canteens. I do not like franchised cafes in places/jobs where eating at your desk/in your office isn't an option be they public or private sector

Cutecattoes · 27/03/2025 21:45

Cheap alcohol plus people making decisions on behalf of the rest of us.
What could possibly go wrong?
Oh wait......

Justasmallgless · 27/03/2025 21:44

Student union bars are just that - not for the general population of the hospital surely?

and you need NUS card or similar to get the subsidies?

KnickerFolder · 27/03/2025 21:40

The Members Dining room. On the menu:
Pressed duck leg and caper terraine with celeriac and mustard remoularde and sour dough toast £4.52
Pan fried salmon with courgette provancale, buttered croquettes potatoes, black olive crumb and a chive cream sauce £7.33
Gooseberry & hazelnut cake with creme fraiche £2.70

Wonder where else in London you can get that sort of food at that sort of price?

I think that menu is a bit out of date, @MissMarplesNiece. 3 courses would be more like £20. To answer your question, set lunch menu at the Ivy Brasserie just down the road from the HoP is £24.95 for 3 courses.

Most of the catering at the HoP is more canteen style rather than fine dining.

@Justasmallgless there are student union bars on site at Guy’s, Charing Cross and the Royal London Hospital.

Globules · 27/03/2025 21:19

I do a couple of days work for the Dept for Education every 6 months or so.

I'm given a £6 food voucher for my lunch. That £6 buys a decent portion of a really tasty cooked main, some fruit and a drink in the DfE cafe. In Central London.

The MPs make sure their depts are looked after too.

OonaStubbs · 27/03/2025 21:09

The whole political system in this country is archaic. Why is Parliament at Westminster? Why can't MPs debate remotely from their constituencies using teams? Why are they paid so much and allowed to claim expenses and a second home on top of that? The whole thing needs to broken down and rebuilt, fit for the mid 21st century, not Victorian times.

Seizetheseasoning · 27/03/2025 21:01

I don’t care too much about the food, although why it has to be like fine dining god knows, I’ve never eaten in a work canteen that offers such a menu. But alcohol? No. No place of work that provides a public service should have alcohol available. You can argue food yes. Soft drinks yes. But what on earth alcohol in a workplace in 2025! Many maybe most companies these days have no alcohol at work policies and I don’t want anyone in any way in charge of running the country having a few before voting or whatever. I just don’t see any valid justification. Is there one?

wastingtimeonhere · 27/03/2025 20:58

I've always thought there should be flats in a big block, security provision, each studio has a basic bedroom with study area and ensuite, like students get in halls. A canteen on site , budget same as school/ nursing homes. No need for 2nd homes. Might concentrate the minds on provision for the poorest/ vulnerable at tge sane time.

JustSawJohnny · 27/03/2025 20:46

Because they make the rules and they look after themselves.

Same with laws that still stand after hundreds of years that are designed to protect the rights of the rich and keep wealth in their families while the rest of us struggle and pay much higher taxes.

Unfortunately, more people are angry about kids getting free breakfasts than this lot stuffing their faces with 3 courses and popping wine corks on public coin.

Coffeeishot · 27/03/2025 20:45

Silentdream · 27/03/2025 20:43

MP basic salary is 91k. In the private sector that is a mid management role salary. At 91k you aren’t going to attract anyone with even a modicum of senior level experience in business.

Good god ! I mean a working class person might sneak in good to keep them away eh.

Silentdream · 27/03/2025 20:43

Coffeeishot · 27/03/2025 20:31

What ?

MP basic salary is 91k. In the private sector that is a mid management role salary. At 91k you aren’t going to attract anyone with even a modicum of senior level experience in business.

ilovesooty · 27/03/2025 20:41

user1471538275 · 27/03/2025 18:22

@GasPanic The thing that is meant to make the job worthwile is the fact you are working for your country - it is PUBLIC SERVICE.

Not freebies, not subsidised food or socialising, or a nice little job afterwards in lobbying.

They need to start serving and stop helping themselves.

Oh vocation 🙄

No real job security and compared to a lot of alleged salaries on Mumsnet, they don't even earn that much.

I'd get rid of the alcohol though.

Coffeeishot · 27/03/2025 20:38

HousedInMySoul · 27/03/2025 20:36

Yes, plenty of time in my 30 minute break! Hang on though, maybe it's not a good idea to drink alcohol when you're doing an essential job that could affect the lives of lots of other people . . .??

I mean !

ilovesooty · 27/03/2025 20:37

cardibach · 27/03/2025 17:45

No, that’s what the bulk of expenses claims are for - staff and offices/equipment. It would be better if that could be paid direct rather than via a claim.

Thanks.

jewelcase · 27/03/2025 20:37

Upupandaway10 · 27/03/2025 20:33

Yes

I have stood for Parliament three times, and know several MPs. None of them are in it for themselves and I wouldn’t have been either.

Your trite, cliched attitude is both offensive and wrong.