Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Changes to free school meal eligibility…

162 replies

AlwaysCoffee25 · 27/03/2025 09:55

”As of April 1st, 2025, the "transitional protection" for free school meals, which allowed continued eligibility even if income increased, will end. New applicants after this date, earning above £7,400 net per annum, will no longer be eligible”

I don’t see the big deal, if you need to reapply you can.

Whilst I think in an ideal world all children should free school meals the reality is we can’t sustain every concession as a county and stopping continued eligibility if your financial circumstances change seems sensible to me 🧐

Although it seems odd timing with free breakfast being introduced (it hasn’t reached my DC’s school) the cynic in me thinks it’s because they know the take up on breakfast will be significantly lower than lunches.

OP posts:
socialdilemmawhattodo · 27/03/2025 12:26

AlwaysCoffee25 · 27/03/2025 11:00

The eligibility criteria isn’t changing - it’s just that it will now be means tested, whereas before once you met the criteria your child got FSM permanently thereafter.

Not quite. The transitional arrangements were introduced as part of the UC rollout. As that was delayed several times the transitional arrangements were extended. This date of 1/4/25 has been notified to schools for about a year.

Dramatic · 27/03/2025 12:25

MrsSunshine2b · 27/03/2025 12:22

I never thought I'd see a Labour government taking food of children living in poverty. And £7400pa is absolutely poverty.

They're not taking it from people with £7k, they're stopping the run on

Scrubberdubber · 27/03/2025 12:25

AlwaysCoffee25 · 27/03/2025 12:19

@Scrubberdubber yes I’ve never understood the logic with FSM for the first two years.

Yep seems pointless to me as you can see from the user name I'm a money grubbing scrubber and was ready to be outraged but it appears it only applies to new applicants.

Still a shame for anyone who's circumstances changed from earning 6k to 8k etc. Its easy to see many people start working full-time when the kids start school but they probably still won't earn that much but it will easily be over 7k so this will screw them over

Dramatic · 27/03/2025 12:24

Yeah it's daft, my kids get free school meals yet we have a household income of £90k. All because we were both unemployed for a couple of months during COVID.

TheBuffetInspector · 27/03/2025 12:24

MrsSunshine2b · 27/03/2025 12:22

I never thought I'd see a Labour government taking food of children living in poverty. And £7400pa is absolutely poverty.

Is it not 7400 earned after Universal Credit? An income for a single person of 7400 is still likely to qualify for full, if not near to full Universal Credit on top.

QforCucumber · 27/03/2025 12:23

We were just discussing this yesterday as colleague who qualified for FSM when her kids were wee, is still getting them now they're 14, 12 and 8 and she now earns £45k. She's told school etc but they've told her they can't do anything as once you qualify, then you qualify. She says herself she really doesn't need it and would rather the finding be redirected.

TheBuffetInspector · 27/03/2025 12:22

I think this is one of the good things regarding UC rather than formerly moving from IS to WFTC and CTC.

When this happened to me, moving onto WTC I automatically had to pay for school meals even though I was no better off. £50 a month was a huge chunk out of income. Child had been having school dinners for 3 years previously and enjoyed them... So I carried on.
Second child qualified to the ongoing Pupil Premium and FSM regardless. It was a great help as a single parent.

MrsSunshine2b · 27/03/2025 12:22

I never thought I'd see a Labour government taking food of children living in poverty. And £7400pa is absolutely poverty.

AlwaysCoffee25 · 27/03/2025 12:19

@Scrubberdubber yes I’ve never understood the logic with FSM for the first two years.

OP posts:
AlwaysCoffee25 · 27/03/2025 12:18

OolongTeaDrinker · 27/03/2025 12:11

I may be missing something but what is the problem with that? People's income and circumstances can change a lot between their children starting reception and them being in year 6. Personally I think that school meals should be free for all pupils in state primary school as they are in London, but if they are means tested it should be that the people that need it most at any given time should be the ones getting it, not those who may have formerly been on hard times half a decade ago.

I totally agree and I don’t get the outrage. I’m quite happy to pay for my children’s meals and funding be directed to learning (although I know it doesn’t always automatically followed).

OP posts:
Scrubberdubber · 27/03/2025 12:18

OolongTeaDrinker · 27/03/2025 12:11

I may be missing something but what is the problem with that? People's income and circumstances can change a lot between their children starting reception and them being in year 6. Personally I think that school meals should be free for all pupils in state primary school as they are in London, but if they are means tested it should be that the people that need it most at any given time should be the ones getting it, not those who may have formerly been on hard times half a decade ago.

The eligibility used to be earning less than 16k a year now it is 7.4k so basically working less than 10 hours a week on minimum wage that barely applies to anyone.

Would make much more sense to raise it to 16k again and do away with free meals for all reception -year 2 what's the point in that anyway

ARichtGoodDram · 27/03/2025 12:15

Thebloodynine · 27/03/2025 11:25

In Scotland, you have to reapply every year or you don’t get it. At least, you do in south lanarkshire council. I didn’t know England gave it to you forever if you applied once. That’s very wasteful.

It wasn't forever - just until the end of that education period (so end of primary or high Scotland). Scotland is the same for those who qualify under certain criteria.

Bumpitybumper · 27/03/2025 12:15

OolongTeaDrinker · 27/03/2025 12:11

I may be missing something but what is the problem with that? People's income and circumstances can change a lot between their children starting reception and them being in year 6. Personally I think that school meals should be free for all pupils in state primary school as they are in London, but if they are means tested it should be that the people that need it most at any given time should be the ones getting it, not those who may have formerly been on hard times half a decade ago.

Both my children enjoyed free meals in infants and I thought it was a terrible policy. I would much rather have paid for the meals and had the money spent on other areas where the school was in desperate need of funding.

Fedupwiththecuts · 27/03/2025 12:14

There's quite a lot of misinformation on this post.

Free school meals and pupil premium criteria are slightly different. Free school meals are means tested and as pp said, you can only earn barely anything before you're eligible.

Pupil premium is the children for whom there has been a disadvantage ie were on Free school meals for a time. They are counted in pupil premium numbers so the school has access to extra funding to help them. It doesn't mean they are allowed Free school meals forever but they are allocated some funding for school.

This will have a direct impact on school budgets but not immediately.

The lowered income amount really means that there will be less and less children eligible. It doesn't mean they aren't in poverty though or don't need the help.

The idea from the government is to stop people using benefits to live and that they'll get high enough paying jobs. If it was that simple then you wouldn't have 1000s of people who work and also have universal credits.

Scrubberdubber · 27/03/2025 12:12

AlwaysCoffee25 · 27/03/2025 12:06

@Scrubberdubber i didn’t realise the criteria had changed - is that because other benefits aren’t taken into account that previously were?

On the old benefits as long as you earned less than 16k you were eligible with new benefit universal credit they changed it to 7.4k

So basically more than halved it without anyone noticing really

OolongTeaDrinker · 27/03/2025 12:11

AlwaysCoffee25 · 27/03/2025 11:00

The eligibility criteria isn’t changing - it’s just that it will now be means tested, whereas before once you met the criteria your child got FSM permanently thereafter.

I may be missing something but what is the problem with that? People's income and circumstances can change a lot between their children starting reception and them being in year 6. Personally I think that school meals should be free for all pupils in state primary school as they are in London, but if they are means tested it should be that the people that need it most at any given time should be the ones getting it, not those who may have formerly been on hard times half a decade ago.

Daisymae23 · 27/03/2025 12:06

AlwaysCoffee25 · 27/03/2025 11:00

The eligibility criteria isn’t changing - it’s just that it will now be means tested, whereas before once you met the criteria your child got FSM permanently thereafter.

I don’t think it was permanent- just 6 years after

AlwaysCoffee25 · 27/03/2025 12:06

@Scrubberdubber i didn’t realise the criteria had changed - is that because other benefits aren’t taken into account that previously were?

OP posts:
Scrubberdubber · 27/03/2025 11:54

This sucks. The criteria used to be earning less than 16k then they changed it to 7.4k, which is less than 10 hours a week minimum wage so basically applies to barely anyone especially if they check it every year.

Would be better to do away with everyone having free meals in ks1 and then raise it back up to 16k.
Just my opinion

AlwaysCoffee25 · 27/03/2025 11:38

caringcarer · 27/03/2025 11:28

Taking a hot meal from children is shameful while accepting thousands of freebies for herself.

But on the other hand many other children won’t qualify, ever. So what’s the difference, absolutely children who NEED it should get it but this is about withdrawing the support when it’s no longer needed.

OP posts:
ThisMustBeMyDream · 27/03/2025 11:37

Anyone know how this is going to impact schools funding ie. Pupil premium? Seems very concerning if they are changing that too.

ThejoyofNC · 27/03/2025 11:36

Seems sensible to me.

Universal credit claimants must declare any changes to their income, why shouldn't all benefits be the same? They're not taking them away from people who need them.

AlwaysCoffee25 · 27/03/2025 11:36

CalmingInfluence · 27/03/2025 11:21

Thanks - but what were the criteria before? When I was at school it was to be on income support

It’s the same now as before. I don’t know what it was historically.

OP posts:
xanthomelana · 27/03/2025 11:34

£7400 is nothing and it’s probably going to hit single parents. First the pensioners, then the disabled and now the children. The government has been told they are going to push thousands into poverty with their cuts but they don’t seem to care, they’ll get subsidised meals in the Houses of Parliament though. Absolute joke of a government when they take the freebies for themselves whilst axing everything.

Bumpitybumper · 27/03/2025 11:33

I think this is a good move because it also will improve the quality of the data that we have about deprived children. The protection was skewing the statistics so that children that were actually now in family's with a higher level of financial means were included in the figures.

Swipe left for the next trending thread