To be upset a brothel has opened next door to my child's school

I would be more concerned that children that 'look' like they're over the age of consent get encouraged to participate since they walk past the brothel.

Oh that's nice. So should we be grateful that punters aren't just going out and raping women? That is your analogy.

The old 'well, at least the existence of prostitution stops potentially abusive men from raping women because that's the only way they can get sex' argument is pathetic and apologist. Listen to yourself?

Are you saying that men who buy a wank into a woman’s body are all decent, upstanding feminist allies who have never even considered the possibility of using a misogynistic insult in their lives, and think women’s lives, time and efforts are as worthy as their own?

I remind you, I used to live in a shitty area. I just explained how I used to have to fight my way ( and run, ok didn’t say that) past the kind of scum that these activities attract. As a 13 yr old.

"In all likelihood it will involve trafficking and organised crime."

What many people automatically assume. The largest anti-trafficking operation ever in the UK was in 2009. Police and other services surprise raided all known brothels all across the UK over a 6 month period to look for traffickers and trafficked victims. They found virtually nothing.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails

"The UK's biggest ever investigation of sex trafficking failed to find a single person who had forced anybody into prostitution in spite of hundreds of raids on sex workers in a six-month campaign by government departments, specialist agencies and every police force in the country.

The failure has been disclosed by a Guardian investigation which also suggests that the scale of and nature of sex trafficking into the UK has been exaggerated by politicians and media.

Current and former ministers have claimed that thousands of women have been imported into the UK and forced to work as sex slaves, but most of these statements were either based on distortions of quoted sources or fabrications without any source at all."

Any thoughts about the fact it's illegal for sexworkers to work together, and as well as having their earnings confiscated and temp losing business until they can be setup elsewhere, they will end up arrested and charged if the police end up raiding this brothel?

"For a start, please be aware that brothels and prostitution in the UK are ILLEGAL."

In Britain, prostitution itself is legal. Buying and selling sexual services between consenting adults is legal as long as it's in private and the sexworker is alone (can not work with another sexworker or have security because of laws against brothels and pimping). So it can legally happen in a hotel room or the sexworker's private home for example. Advertising is legal too.

Show me the proof to what you’ve said please.

Not only that. I have volunteered with the homeless for over 26 years who are entrenched in addictions. I meet sec workers all the time through that. I know the stats. I know and see the physical evidence.

ALL men who use prostitutes are abusers.

Also, what's the difference between a prostitute and an escort?

Again. What an assumption

you assume that I’ve never lived in a poor area?

i grew up homeless at one point….

your assumption was wrong

Bloody hell. Do you honestly think that men who are already committing a crime by paying vulnerable women and teenagers for sex draw a line around that criminality and that's as 'bad' as it gets??

It is NOT an issue that the pimp or punters might be recruiting vulnerable kids with SEN off the streets, FFS! That's highly unlikely. What IS more likely is that men who are prepared to do this illegal activity don't have scruples about what other criminal activities they are involved in. And that having a brothel very close to a school is essentially a magnet to attract them into that area. Can you really not understand why people are concerned?

So you’re saying all men who use escorts or prostitution are abusers? All of them?

or just the majority?

There was one next to my college... the ladies used to pop into the cafe at lunch to buy odd things.. cucumbers, giant tubs of mayo.
We found it very funny. They always looked so rough in their slippers and dressing gowns with a fag hanging out of their mouths...

Sorry, I'm being mean. But I do not support sex work... it's wrong.

That’s not always true what you’ve said

i know some sex workers who love their job. I know escorts who love their job.

I assume you are in UK and not the Netherlands or similar.

If so, just call the police. You have evidence the owners are operating an illegal brothel.

In all likelihood it will involve trafficking and organised crime.

The police, particularly the Met, love this kind of stuff

WTF are you posting on your class WhatsApp / MN

An illegal shop that sells sex services most likely by grooming vulnerable, naive and impressionable girls put next to a school full of .... vulnerable, impressionable and naive girls (arguably more so than average if they have additional needs) ..... can't see that going wrong at all. I think you're right to be concerned op and I'd be surprised if the school aren't also worried. Have you talked to them about it?

You have a very rosy idea of brothel sex (or for that matter, strip clubs) if you think that whatever happens, stays inside and nobody on the outside is any the wiser.

I can think of all sorts of things that absolutely WILL spill out onto the street from time to time, and no ERthree, you don't need to have 'sex in full view of the street' in order for this brothel's siting to be a huge problem. For a start, please be aware that brothels and prostitution in the UK are ILLEGAL. (My pointing this out should in no way be taken as condemnation of women who are often forced into surviving in this way. I would favour the Nordic Model for prostitution, where women who work in this area aren't criminalised but their bloody punters are, and we try to eradicate the whole abusive industry and help the women who probably didn't dream about becoming prostitutes when they grew up, eh?)

-ILLEGAL activities attract and involve - criminals. Well, d'oh! A man who is involved in transactional sex is a criminal, by definition. Men who pay women to have sex with them are committing a crime. Do you want a building right opposite a school to attract them to the immediate area?
-Men who pay women for transactional sex are often involved in other criminality.
-Prostitution is very often messily entangled in drugs dealing and drugs-based gang activity. Brothels often function as 'safe houses' for stashing drugs. Women working as prostitutes are very often, as I'm sure you know, doing this because they've been hooked in by drugs abuse, and before that, good old fashioned sexual abuse. Pimps groom women, drugs are part of that pattern and a way to get them stuck somewhere they can't easily get out of again. Again, just peachy to have that opposite a school.
-Men who view women as rentable holes aren't always that nice in their behaviours. Might surprise you to know that arguments and fights often break out between a punter and the woman he's trying to rent. That often spills out onto the street too. I've seen this happen in a certain area in Oxford and it was a real eye-opener.

Frankly I'm staggered at your attitude towards women in this horrible position, and also towards children who are even more vulnerable than most. Actually, shelve that - ALL children are very vulnerable in this situation - children with special needs may not have a way of understanding or rationalising, or be able to understand that any violence isn't going to directly affect them too. But children who don't have additional needs are going to see this happening to women in their community and it will normalise it. That is fecking terrible, and it's appalling of you to suggest that it's ok.

Why is it one hell of an assumption? It’s simple reality. This is the kind of men who use women’s bodies as wank socks. I take it you never had to live in poor areas of the country? I had to walk past similar kinds of scum regularly. I had to fight my way past occasionally too.

I guess in this day & age you have to strip the morality out of it, though I do see a problem with a place that caters to sex addicts / men who pay for consensual rape, opening shop right next to a place for especially vulnerable children.

Make sure the police are aware, check with the council that it’s licensed, and complain to your local elected members.

I think there are all sorts of adjacent issues which means you have a case. Drug use is high among prostitutes, you don’t want needles and other paraphernalia around the school. There may be trafficking, there may be pimps, or other elements of potentially gangland crime.

If teachers are working late at night at school, then walking home alone, they may find it uncomfortable.

(OTOH, presumably the children are in class most the time, and under close supervision, and the premises empty after 5pm, so to play devils advocate, the location might actually be better than other places.)

Good luck OP

Brothels are illegal though so just report it to the police? Job done

if it continues to carry on get some solid evidence that you cannot refute and go back and back and back. Call your MP. All sorts.

Can you show me the stats on that?

That you even need to ask shows the reality of how much contempt men have for women.

Running (and working in) a brothel is illegal, but advertising sexual services is not.

Lost the quote there. That was in reply to Christinapple

This is absolute nonsense. I, unfortunately, had a brothel in my road for a few months before police shut it down. We had a huge increase in random men hanging around, including at least once having them actually queueing. They'd occasionally smoke weed or be visibly drunk.
There was also at least one incident where one of the workers ran out crying into the street with a man following her and shouting.
Years ago, my mother-in-law unwittingly moved into a flat that had been a brothel and used to have strange men ringing the bell and turning up day and night. A number of times, she had to call the police to remove them because they became aggressive when she told them she didn't offer that kind of service and asked them to leave.
These aren't the kind of men anyone wants near a school and the idea that the women inside are just happily and quietly earning a living is naive at best. The women need support, not people turning a blind eye to the horrible reality of these places or the men that frequent them.

You’re assuming the people working there have any choice at all. If they’re trafficked and working as slaves then I don’t think what you’ve said applies. They’re not keeping their wages anyway and are likely to be treated very badly. They need rescuing.