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To be upset a brothel has opened next door to my child's school

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OneJadeEagle · 27/03/2025 09:52

Walking past school last week I noticed a shop next door that had been shut for ages has now turned into a 'massage' place. Curtains firmly shut, doorbell on, locked door, 'calling cards' left on the outside for people to pick up discreetly. Checked online and the gumtree ads and reviews from men leave no doubt the type of massages they are offering.

The school is a special needs school and some of the older children, whilst vulnerable with learning disabilities, do walk to school alone past the premises. The whole thing just really gives me the creeps, the idea of a bunch of creepy men being attracted to the road right by all these kids, possibly drugs etc.

Anyways I messaged the class WhatsApp to try and co-ordinate complaints to the council and the general vibe was I was overreacting. We are in a big city, there's always going to be something going on in the vicinity. Why put some ladies out of work when they're trying to earn an honest living and as long as they aren't parading into school what's the drama.

I don't know, AIBU?

OP posts:
BeaAndBen · 28/03/2025 18:08

JHound · 28/03/2025 10:50

I am convinced they do not. I am not pro-sex work per se but do have a very close friend and acquaintances who are currently / former FSSW who would reject people insisting to them that they are rape victims who just don’t realise that yet.

I also have an old friend who, while not a sex worker directly, had “benefactors” and was very clear she would not think of having sex with a man who was not financing her life (this was when she was criticising me for thinking differently.)

I just don’t get why some people here think they should he the sole arbiters of the “correct” contexts in which people may have sex.

I've met quite a few, and they all talked about trauma, dissociation, cycle of abuse and addiction. Several worked with agencies helping other prostituted women and girls escape.

Having seen what happened to women and children living in the Managed Zone, I will never support anything that makes it easier for men to buy women's bodies to abuse.

Licky · 28/03/2025 18:05

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 17:22

Oh FGS! So all actors are no more traumatised by their work than sex workers are? What?

The question was whether a prostitute is selling he body or a service.

So a masseuse giving a massage for an hour is selling a service, yet the last 2 minutes if she does a happy ending it suddenly becomes selling her body? What's the intrinsic difference?

Licky · 28/03/2025 18:04

drspouse · 28/03/2025 17:40

So how can consent be bought then if you can't withdraw consent?

Tell me what would happen in my scenario under your "consent can be bought" philosophy.

We don't employ people in highly dangerous occupations even if they agree to it. Factories were made safer by act of parliament not because the workers wouldn't go to work. Same with the risk of trauma by prostituted women.

Of course she could withdraw consent, and legally if he carried on it would be considered rape. I'd like to think most people wouldn't continue, though they might demand their money back.

Are you asking whether hypothetically a prostitute could be in a dangerous situation? Well duh. But what does that have to do with the question whether consent can be bought or not?

As a matter of fact, your above hypothetical could happen to any woman, in free consensual sex. She might demand he stop and in some cases he won't. He would be breaking the law, and ideally be convicted for rape.

But that hypothetical doesn't undermine the notion of consent.

And BTW, people can enlist in the army, a dangerous profession if ever, and they can't withdraw consent in the middle. So we actually do have something like that.

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 18:00

SeaSwim5 · 28/03/2025 17:47

Sex work is not intrinsically highly dangerous, though. Sex is a natural activity that takes place across the animal kingdom. Our closest relatives bonobos have sex constantly to bond and resolve disputes.

Of course there are tangential factors that may be harmful in relation to sex factors. That is why it should take place in a regulated manner, rather than underground.

Edited

Do they also work in brothels and traffick underage girls?

SeaSwim5 · 28/03/2025 17:47

drspouse · 28/03/2025 17:40

So how can consent be bought then if you can't withdraw consent?

Tell me what would happen in my scenario under your "consent can be bought" philosophy.

We don't employ people in highly dangerous occupations even if they agree to it. Factories were made safer by act of parliament not because the workers wouldn't go to work. Same with the risk of trauma by prostituted women.

Sex work is not intrinsically highly dangerous, though. Sex is a natural activity that takes place across the animal kingdom. Our closest relatives bonobos have sex constantly to bond and resolve disputes.

Of course there are tangential factors that may be harmful in relation to sex factors. That is why it should take place in a regulated manner, rather than underground.

Scrubberdubber · 28/03/2025 17:45

offmynut · 27/03/2025 20:58

Id love to own a brothel and hope to go to the porn awards one day.
Just like your post op a load of lies.

Why bother coming on to a post to accuse the op of lying? I've never understood why People cross examine ops and accuse them of lying.
Its Hardly an outlandish story, we had a brothel disguised as a massage parlour round here and it got shut down because the girls were underage so op also has a right to be concerned and report this.

Maybe the posters saying it's not a real story are just really sheltered from the real work idk.

drspouse · 28/03/2025 17:40

Licky · 28/03/2025 17:11

That has nothing to do with anything I wrote.

So how can consent be bought then if you can't withdraw consent?

Tell me what would happen in my scenario under your "consent can be bought" philosophy.

We don't employ people in highly dangerous occupations even if they agree to it. Factories were made safer by act of parliament not because the workers wouldn't go to work. Same with the risk of trauma by prostituted women.

Licky · 28/03/2025 17:31

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 17:22

Oh FGS! So all actors are no more traumatised by their work than sex workers are? What?

Once again totally irrelevant to my point.

Scrubberdubber · 28/03/2025 17:30

Report it.

We had a place like that round here and it turned out the "women just trying to make a living" were underage and forced to be there

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 17:22

Licky · 28/03/2025 16:59

What I said is a sex worker - or prostitute if you will - isn't selling her body but providing a service. She's using her body to provide that service, much like an actor or masseuse uses their body.

I said nothing about sex work being work or being like working in Tesco. I didn't even comment on the ethics of sex work. All I did was correct the disingenuous, and deliberately inflammatory, language.

There are several untrue phrases which keep coming up any time sex work is discussed:

"Selling her body" - untrue. She's selling a service. She's no more selling her body than an actor sells theirs.

"Consent cannot be bought" - wrong again. If that were true all labour would be slavery. You really think the barista wants to make your coffee?

"Poverty is akin to coercion" - once again, if that were true, the majority of workers would be classed as slaves. Would any menial worker choose to work at their job if they would have better options?

"Punters feel entitled to sex" - paying for something is the opposite of entitlement. People who are entitled take without permission. Theft. Rape. That's entitlement.

Oh FGS! So all actors are no more traumatised by their work than sex workers are? What?

Licky · 28/03/2025 17:21

Ddakji · 28/03/2025 17:18

You are seriously equating acting with prostitution? I think most actors would have something to say about that. Ditto actual messers providing a therapeutic service.

Sexual Consent as described by the Crown Prosecution service:

Someone consents to vaginal, anal or oral penetration only if s/he agrees by choice to that penetration and has the freedom and capacity to make that choice.

I'm equating prostitution to acting and massaging in one specific context. Namely that even though both by definition use the provider's body, they are said to be "selling their body".

What in that definition precludes getting paid? If consent can't be bought, how is all labour not slavery?

Ddakji · 28/03/2025 17:18

Licky · 28/03/2025 16:59

What I said is a sex worker - or prostitute if you will - isn't selling her body but providing a service. She's using her body to provide that service, much like an actor or masseuse uses their body.

I said nothing about sex work being work or being like working in Tesco. I didn't even comment on the ethics of sex work. All I did was correct the disingenuous, and deliberately inflammatory, language.

There are several untrue phrases which keep coming up any time sex work is discussed:

"Selling her body" - untrue. She's selling a service. She's no more selling her body than an actor sells theirs.

"Consent cannot be bought" - wrong again. If that were true all labour would be slavery. You really think the barista wants to make your coffee?

"Poverty is akin to coercion" - once again, if that were true, the majority of workers would be classed as slaves. Would any menial worker choose to work at their job if they would have better options?

"Punters feel entitled to sex" - paying for something is the opposite of entitlement. People who are entitled take without permission. Theft. Rape. That's entitlement.

You are seriously equating acting with prostitution? I think most actors would have something to say about that. Ditto actual messers providing a therapeutic service.

Sexual Consent as described by the Crown Prosecution service:

Someone consents to vaginal, anal or oral penetration only if s/he agrees by choice to that penetration and has the freedom and capacity to make that choice.

Licky · 28/03/2025 17:11

drspouse · 28/03/2025 17:09

So, in your magic world, a prostituted woman has a revolting man come and pay for sex and she realises half way through he's hurting her and she says Stop.
But she has consented by taking his money.
So she has to carry on because consent has been bought?
And if you think she doesn't have to carry on - what do you realistically think is going to happen if she tries to stop him? He's going to say "oh sorry love, I'll stop now"?

That has nothing to do with anything I wrote.

drspouse · 28/03/2025 17:09

So, in your magic world, a prostituted woman has a revolting man come and pay for sex and she realises half way through he's hurting her and she says Stop.
But she has consented by taking his money.
So she has to carry on because consent has been bought?
And if you think she doesn't have to carry on - what do you realistically think is going to happen if she tries to stop him? He's going to say "oh sorry love, I'll stop now"?

Licky · 28/03/2025 16:59

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 16:04

They're both "providing a service" according to you. That one can put your life in danger seems to have passed you by.

What I said is a sex worker - or prostitute if you will - isn't selling her body but providing a service. She's using her body to provide that service, much like an actor or masseuse uses their body.

I said nothing about sex work being work or being like working in Tesco. I didn't even comment on the ethics of sex work. All I did was correct the disingenuous, and deliberately inflammatory, language.

There are several untrue phrases which keep coming up any time sex work is discussed:

"Selling her body" - untrue. She's selling a service. She's no more selling her body than an actor sells theirs.

"Consent cannot be bought" - wrong again. If that were true all labour would be slavery. You really think the barista wants to make your coffee?

"Poverty is akin to coercion" - once again, if that were true, the majority of workers would be classed as slaves. Would any menial worker choose to work at their job if they would have better options?

"Punters feel entitled to sex" - paying for something is the opposite of entitlement. People who are entitled take without permission. Theft. Rape. That's entitlement.

Ddakji · 28/03/2025 16:23

Licky · 28/03/2025 15:59

I'm pretty sure that's not what I said. It seems comprehension is a lost skill.

It’s exactly what you mean when you rebrand prostitution as sex work.

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 16:04

Licky · 28/03/2025 15:59

I'm pretty sure that's not what I said. It seems comprehension is a lost skill.

They're both "providing a service" according to you. That one can put your life in danger seems to have passed you by.

Licky · 28/03/2025 15:59

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 14:46

So getting a dick shoved inside you by an old fat perv is exactly the same working in Tesco's is it?

I'm pretty sure that's not what I said. It seems comprehension is a lost skill.

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 14:46

Licky · 28/03/2025 14:43

What 'it feels like' is irrelevant. The simple fact is they're not selling their actual bodies but a service.

So getting a dick shoved inside you by an old fat perv is exactly the same working in Tesco's is it?

SeaSwim5 · 28/03/2025 14:45

Arran2024 · 28/03/2025 12:34

Really? Society does make all sorts of rules which people have to follow. Wearing seat belts, not speeding, not smoking in public places, not carrying guns in the UK, not jay-walking in the US, not selling body parts, not soliciting for sex on the streets.......in fact selling sex is legal in the UK but brothels are not.

That is why sex work should be legal but tightly regulated, in the same way as other potentially harmful activities.

Obesity is harmful to society- it causes millions of deaths and serious health issues and costs the NHS billions. That doesn’t mean the state should be telling people they can’t eat chocolate cake, but there are rules on ingredients and marketing.

Licky · 28/03/2025 14:43

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 14:36

I'm not asking for your story, (nor do I care tbh). I want to know how you could possibly know what it feels like to be a sex worker. Do all sex workers see it as "not selling their body, but a service"?

What 'it feels like' is irrelevant. The simple fact is they're not selling their actual bodies but a service.

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 14:36

Licky · 28/03/2025 14:34

Not relevant. I don't owe you my story.

I'm not asking for your story, (nor do I care tbh). I want to know how you could possibly know what it feels like to be a sex worker. Do all sex workers see it as "not selling their body, but a service"?

Licky · 28/03/2025 14:34

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 14:22

Are you or have you ever been a sex worker?

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Not relevant. I don't owe you my story.

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 14:22

Licky · 28/03/2025 14:12

Perhaps because you're not actually selling your body but a service. In this regard it's no different than any other service that has to be done with the body, eg acting or massaging.

There's no comparison with selling an actual body part.

Are you or have you ever been a sex worker?

Licky · 28/03/2025 14:12

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 13:33

And how do you know it's between consenting adults? Why shouldn't we be able to sell body parts if we can sell our bodies for sex? What's the difference?

Perhaps because you're not actually selling your body but a service. In this regard it's no different than any other service that has to be done with the body, eg acting or massaging.

There's no comparison with selling an actual body part.