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To be upset a brothel has opened next door to my child's school

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OneJadeEagle · 27/03/2025 09:52

Walking past school last week I noticed a shop next door that had been shut for ages has now turned into a 'massage' place. Curtains firmly shut, doorbell on, locked door, 'calling cards' left on the outside for people to pick up discreetly. Checked online and the gumtree ads and reviews from men leave no doubt the type of massages they are offering.

The school is a special needs school and some of the older children, whilst vulnerable with learning disabilities, do walk to school alone past the premises. The whole thing just really gives me the creeps, the idea of a bunch of creepy men being attracted to the road right by all these kids, possibly drugs etc.

Anyways I messaged the class WhatsApp to try and co-ordinate complaints to the council and the general vibe was I was overreacting. We are in a big city, there's always going to be something going on in the vicinity. Why put some ladies out of work when they're trying to earn an honest living and as long as they aren't parading into school what's the drama.

I don't know, AIBU?

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JorgyPorgy · 28/03/2025 21:47

Ddakji · 27/03/2025 10:23

That’s appalling that the council have allowed this - I would start with them. Kick up as massive a fuss as you can. Children should not have to walk past the disgusting predatory abusive men who will be going there.

Not saying I’d be happy about it either , but is it reasonable to say that about the men who go there? Perhaps I’m naive

JHound · 28/03/2025 21:42

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 18:35

Do you struggle with what's appropriate and what's not? Would you go up to a woman on the street and grab her boobs? If not, why not?

How is grabbing a stranger’s boobs comparable to engaging in a financial transaction agreed tk be all parties?

And the point is if a masseuse is massaging that’s a service if she massages her leg but “selling her body” if she massages a penis.

How does that make sense?

Cerealkiller9000 · 28/03/2025 21:37

Grammarnut · 28/03/2025 20:42

She might not but I have just been reading about legalised prostitution in Germany. Brothels compete with each other, women are trafficked, porn and prostitution are found on TV. Micro brothels open in residential streets. Men queue up (one queue was 1700 men long) for 'offers' similar to BOGOF - and women are used like things.
In New Zealand, since prostitution was legalised there has been an explosion in prostituted women and it is more difficult for prostituted women to escape. That is not an improvement.

Also. She spoke about consent…..

SeaSwim5 · 28/03/2025 21:37

AccountCreateUsername · 28/03/2025 18:51

Actually sex work is inherently risky. And some of the most ‘popular’ acts are inherently risky, especially if done by someone who couldn’t give a flying fuck about the person who they’ve bought for whatever time.

Normalising sex work is harmful to women, just like porn is. But I disagree with the commodification of anyone’s body. For all reasons. It’s just that women’s bodies tend to be the bodies that are commodified.

So in your view Love Island shouldn’t be allowed given that everyone on it is there purely as a sex object?

Cerealkiller9000 · 28/03/2025 21:36

Grammarnut · 28/03/2025 20:47

She might not but I have just been reading about legalised prostitution in Germany. Brothels compete with each other, women are trafficked, porn and prostitution are found on TV. Micro brothels open in residential streets. Men queue up (one queue was 1700 men long) for 'offers' similar to BOGOF - and women are used like things.
In New Zealand, since prostitution was legalised there has been an explosion in prostituted women and it is more difficult for prostituted women to escape. That is not an improvement.

I’d love to read that also. Please post the link here. Thank you

Grammarnut · 28/03/2025 21:09

LBFseBrom · 27/03/2025 11:03

I cannot see how the brothel, if indeed it is one, will impact on the children at the school next door. Presumably it is staffed by consenting adults and the clients are the same, they will go in, come out and go home, won't even look at the school.

Honestly, what do you think will happen? Be sensible please.

What makes you think they are consenting adults? Are you unaware of trafficking from eastern Europe and elsewhere to staff brothels? The women involved are often forced, either to pay back their passage money (passport taken until they pay, and their food and lodging is added to the bill while they work to pay the bill off, so it never ends), to protect family at home, or because they have been made afraid of the police and being deported. I don't call that consent and also, you cannot buy consent, so prostitution is rape.

Grammarnut · 28/03/2025 21:01

ItGhoul · 27/03/2025 10:48

Why do you imagine that men who are going to visit adult women for sex are going to be interested in the kids at your child's special needs school? They're no more likely to be paedophiles than any other man. Setting aside the rights/wrongs of sex work in general, the only sexual interest these men are demonstrating is in sex with adult women. They're no more likely to be a danger to a child than any other man who has sex with women.

There is no such thing as 'sex work', the women are prostituted to others' profit. And having a brothel with men who think they are entitled to pay for sex is not a good idea anywhere, let alone outside a school, where vulnerable young girls are about. How do you think women end up prostituted, ItGhoul? By trafficking, by grooming, by getting hooked on drugs by men with evil intent - that's how. And you think it's okay that women are paid to be raped next door to a school! Words fail me.

graceinspace999 · 28/03/2025 20:58

What’s the harm?
It’s just a business?

I grew up in an area with a few of these places and was stopped many times and asked for various sexual acts by filthy disgusting men from when I was aged 10 up.

I would fight this to protect children with every bone in my body.

Grammarnut · 28/03/2025 20:57

Kittycat1969 · 27/03/2025 16:36

Can you explain why the men are abusers? I know plenty of prostitutes (none forced to do it and most enjoy their job, the ones that don’t particularly just look at it as a job apart from one who does it to support a drug habit) and a few of them feel empowered but certainly none feel abused. In turn I know plenty of men that use prostitutes who are normal blokes who you wouldn’t glance at twice in the street, apart one one who makes my skin crawl and is creepy af, but he made me feel like that before I knew he was a customer of someone I know. Yes there will be some skanky men and women involved in the business but id be more worried about a drinkers pub next to a school than a brothel

I wonder how your friends who are prostituted really feel? If we do work we hate we put a brave face on it, and of all things we do selling our bodies for someone else to use as they will if pretty high on something most people would hate. One of your friends has a punter who makes your skin creep - and she has sex with him and is happy about it. I don't believe it for a moment. The 'Happy Hooker' is a male invention to make them feel better about using women like objects and give a gloss of sophistication (this was originally a bad thing btw) to degradation.
Men are the abusers - they think they are entitled to have sex with any women they can pay. They are paying to commit rape.

Grammarnut · 28/03/2025 20:50

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 19:50

Why should it be for the state to tell women who they can and can’t have sex with? Are women so unable to make their own decisions?

In my view, if women want to carry out this type of work, that should be up to them. It should be tightly regulated to ensure it takes place safely.

There is no way in which selling your body for sex can be done safely. It's selling the holes in your body to have someone else's fluids in and you don't know where else they have been. It is degrading for women and not just for those unfortunate enough to be prostituted, but for all women. Prostitution treats all women as if they are things for men's sexual and other gratification. If you cannot see that SeaSwim5 plenty others on this board are spelling it out to you.

Ddakji · 28/03/2025 20:48

JHound · 28/03/2025 18:16

So if they have the freedom and capacity to make that choice it is consensual….but if they freely make the decision to exchange sex for money then it stops being consensual?

Well, it stops being free for a start. So I would say yes, it’s no longer consensual in the CPS’s definition. IANAL though.

Grammarnut · 28/03/2025 20:47

Cerealkiller9000 · 28/03/2025 10:35

Ahh. So you have no evidence to back up your outlandish claims then?

She might not but I have just been reading about legalised prostitution in Germany. Brothels compete with each other, women are trafficked, porn and prostitution are found on TV. Micro brothels open in residential streets. Men queue up (one queue was 1700 men long) for 'offers' similar to BOGOF - and women are used like things.
In New Zealand, since prostitution was legalised there has been an explosion in prostituted women and it is more difficult for prostituted women to escape. That is not an improvement.

Grammarnut · 28/03/2025 20:42

Cerealkiller9000 · 28/03/2025 10:35

Ahh. So you have no evidence to back up your outlandish claims then?

She might not but I have just been reading about legalised prostitution in Germany. Brothels compete with each other, women are trafficked, porn and prostitution are found on TV. Micro brothels open in residential streets. Men queue up (one queue was 1700 men long) for 'offers' similar to BOGOF - and women are used like things.
In New Zealand, since prostitution was legalised there has been an explosion in prostituted women and it is more difficult for prostituted women to escape. That is not an improvement.

Grammarnut · 28/03/2025 20:37

Licky · 28/03/2025 15:59

I'm pretty sure that's not what I said. It seems comprehension is a lost skill.

For context: sex work is work so selling the holes in your body is the same as working on the check out at Tescoes - or words to that effect (not exact quote).
Looks like it was what you meant.

SummerDaysOnTheWay · 28/03/2025 19:08

ERthree · 27/03/2025 10:22

What is the problem, are they having sex in full view of the street ? The children won't take any notice or even know what is going on inside. They will only know if their Mothers are having outraged conversations within their earshot.
I lived in a town on mainland Europe where there was a "club" with a stripper sign outside right next to the Church, nobody bothered.

Yeah fuck misogyny. Fuck women. It’s FINE 😬🙄

AccountCreateUsername · 28/03/2025 18:51

SeaSwim5 · 28/03/2025 18:10

That is beside the point. Sex is not an inherently dangerous activity in humans or bonobos.

Of course sex workers can be at risk from activities like trafficking (which are tangential to the sex itself). That may also be the case in nail bars or barber shops.

That is why sex work should take place in regulated and safe settings. These should be overseen by trained managers and security staff, who can prevent harm taking place.

Actually sex work is inherently risky. And some of the most ‘popular’ acts are inherently risky, especially if done by someone who couldn’t give a flying fuck about the person who they’ve bought for whatever time.

Normalising sex work is harmful to women, just like porn is. But I disagree with the commodification of anyone’s body. For all reasons. It’s just that women’s bodies tend to be the bodies that are commodified.

MushMonster · 28/03/2025 18:48

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 19:59

So women shouldn’t be allowed to make their own choices?

Many women do not choose to be prostitues. That is what they are telling you. Just flipping read!

AccountCreateUsername · 28/03/2025 18:45

Licky · 28/03/2025 17:21

I'm equating prostitution to acting and massaging in one specific context. Namely that even though both by definition use the provider's body, they are said to be "selling their body".

What in that definition precludes getting paid? If consent can't be bought, how is all labour not slavery?

No that’s not the same. Actors aren’t selling their bodies and neither are qualified massage therapists. I know a physio who does sports massage. Not selling their body. What a con women are being sold

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 18:37

SeaSwim5 · 28/03/2025 18:10

That is beside the point. Sex is not an inherently dangerous activity in humans or bonobos.

Of course sex workers can be at risk from activities like trafficking (which are tangential to the sex itself). That may also be the case in nail bars or barber shops.

That is why sex work should take place in regulated and safe settings. These should be overseen by trained managers and security staff, who can prevent harm taking place.

That is beside the point. Sex is not an inherently dangerous activity in humans or bonobos.

But it's not beside the point. You're comparing humans to bonobos, therefore do bonobos traffick their young for sex?

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 18:35

Licky · 28/03/2025 18:05

The question was whether a prostitute is selling he body or a service.

So a masseuse giving a massage for an hour is selling a service, yet the last 2 minutes if she does a happy ending it suddenly becomes selling her body? What's the intrinsic difference?

Do you struggle with what's appropriate and what's not? Would you go up to a woman on the street and grab her boobs? If not, why not?

JHound · 28/03/2025 18:22

Coatsoff42 · 28/03/2025 18:20

Ive worked for Mind, and I don’t know if they have issues going into prostitution, or due to prostitution, but prostitutes have a disproportionately high need for mental health services.

That always leads me to think it’s not a great career.

Sounds like the military.

Coatsoff42 · 28/03/2025 18:20

Ive worked for Mind, and I don’t know if they have issues going into prostitution, or due to prostitution, but prostitutes have a disproportionately high need for mental health services.

That always leads me to think it’s not a great career.

JHound · 28/03/2025 18:16

Ddakji · 28/03/2025 17:18

You are seriously equating acting with prostitution? I think most actors would have something to say about that. Ditto actual messers providing a therapeutic service.

Sexual Consent as described by the Crown Prosecution service:

Someone consents to vaginal, anal or oral penetration only if s/he agrees by choice to that penetration and has the freedom and capacity to make that choice.

So if they have the freedom and capacity to make that choice it is consensual….but if they freely make the decision to exchange sex for money then it stops being consensual?

JHound · 28/03/2025 18:12

BeaAndBen · 28/03/2025 18:08

I've met quite a few, and they all talked about trauma, dissociation, cycle of abuse and addiction. Several worked with agencies helping other prostituted women and girls escape.

Having seen what happened to women and children living in the Managed Zone, I will never support anything that makes it easier for men to buy women's bodies to abuse.

I would never deny the many issues with the industry. In fact I clearly stated I an not pro sex work.

I am challenging those who insist to be a swx worker is to be a rape victim or who argue that there are only a limited number of contexts in which sexual consent can be given (and they decide what those contexts are.)

SeaSwim5 · 28/03/2025 18:10

FaithFables · 28/03/2025 18:00

Do they also work in brothels and traffick underage girls?

That is beside the point. Sex is not an inherently dangerous activity in humans or bonobos.

Of course sex workers can be at risk from activities like trafficking (which are tangential to the sex itself). That may also be the case in nail bars or barber shops.

That is why sex work should take place in regulated and safe settings. These should be overseen by trained managers and security staff, who can prevent harm taking place.