Massive overreaction to a TV show

Absolutely this.

There was a poster on MN the other day who called other posters 'Karens' because they disagreed with her. She saw no issue with her own 10 year old son calling her a 'Karen' because she nagged him to tidy his room. There are many many parents who are completely oblivious..

I’d love to live in the world you live in! Where are you from? Outer Mongolia? Siberia?

It made me think of this really powerful ted talk

m.youtube.com/watch?v=bCFZQcaIgDM

Yeah, right, 2 women die each fucking week in the UK because of domestic violence. All these men didn’t fall on earth from the sky, right? These are your baby-faced Johnnies who “weren’t like that at all”..

🙌 spot on.

If we did not have the mass media, hardly anyone would even know about tate. Society would also be better without half of the mass media eg bonnie etc again without the mass media etc

The question is how many teenagers are influenced by ‘the incel narrative’ and Tate? Compared to, say, the Sidemen.

Most serious youth violence is nothing to do with Tate.

But it's all part of the same problem though isn't it?

Unregulated access to the internet, misogyny, violence.... doesn't matter who is saying it, it's the fact it's being said and listened to.

If this programme has made people more aware and had created a discussion then that's a good thing.

This x100!

I’m so fed up of seeing all these posts “my darling little Johnny isn’t like that at all!”

Yeah, right, 2 women die each fucking week in the UK because of domestic violence. All these men didn’t fall on earth from the sky, right? These are your baby-faced Johnnies who “weren’t like that at all”.

@ProfessionalPirate Incel and far right ideology, misogyny is shown to be growing across the globe (not just the UK) so while you could argue that lax parenting played a part in this story this could happen as it has in many parts of the UK. Not only knife crime but sexual attacks and gun shooting. I think the story should be told and if you deny it could happen in your part of the UK you are naive. I have spoken to many secondary school teachers asking if that school on Adolescent is typical and sadly it appears it may be and not just in city and deprived areas.

If parents did these decades ago long before social media existed, then society would not need to fear social media because society would already be better.

This surprises me a LOT.
Unless you are members of the royal family, I can’t believe that some of the serious issues raised weren’t recognised by your children at their ages.
Did you talk about the themes with them?

The question is how many teenagers are influenced by ‘the incel narrative’ and Tate? Compared to, say, the Sidemen.

Most serious youth violence is nothing to do with Tate.

100%. Highly unlikely (can’t think of a single case) a kid from a good, loving, comfortable home murders someone out of the blue. It’s usually after months and years of involvement (and contact with the parents) from the school, social services, mental health etc.

But it doesn't have to be completely accurate to generate discussion.

And the family portrayed did have issues. The dad had anger issues and had very specific ideas around masculinity which he tried to force onto his son. The women in the family spent a lot of time regulating the dad's emotions.
They allowed Jamie to be out on the streets until 10pm and didn't check on him when he got home.

I don't think most parents of teenagers were relating and worrying about their child becoming a murderer, but more about knife crime in general and the issues with phones and what their children are using them for and being exposed to.

100%. Highly unlikely (can’t think of a single case) a kid from a good, loving, comfortable home murders someone out of the blue. It’s usually after months and years of involvement (and contact with the parents) from the school, social services, mental health etc.

I wondered if the vagueness was intentional, because in real life we rarely know exactly what caused someone to commit a crime like that, and because his parents didn't know?

The specifics will change, so whatever words, emojis, memes, sites etc were involved for Jamie will likely be outdated soon and replaced by something else; but there remains an insidious "something" out there filling minds with hate and bitterness 😔

Yes I agree, but I'd of preferred more detail than action, if that makes sense.

You just carry on burying your head in the sand then.

I don’t think it’s just the access to the internet , it’s the parenting alongside. I have boys and girls and my teenaged sons are really respectful of women, very aware of misogyny and very much aware that things like amber heard v Johnny depp are heavily influenced by social media. I’ve always talked to them about women’s issues and how different feeling safe is.
edited to add my point is that they do have free access to the internet, do have devices in their rooms but I don’t see any worrying attitudes from them.

My teenage DD thinks it is very relevant to her life and thinks it is something that should be on everyone's radar. But if you don't have concerns about wider society, then maybe it won't resonate.

I think it was very lightweight and simplistic. In real life there is always a backstory involving mental health services, social services and often the police.

The fact that each episode was filmed in one shot is impressive especially the bit where the lad runs out of the window.

This!

OP its everywhere - behind every click of a button on the internet. I work in Safeguarding and believe me it’s happening in many, many homes where parents are naive enough to think ‘it won’t happen to me’ ‘it doesn’t reflect my life.’.

My children are primary age, so don't have phones or social media. I still thought the show was very relevant because they hear so much sexism in the playground already from children higher up the school who do have phones and free access to the internet.

I also know grown men who watch that red pill nonsense and have awful views of women that they either didn't have 20 years ago (or didn't feel confident enough to voice in public) who now espouse it freely: women are all gold diggers, women trap a man by getting pregnant, why should men pay child support if they wanted the woman to about, how dare women refuse their husband sex - that's what they signed up for, women should do all the housework even if working full time because their wages are lower so they don't contribute equally to the house.

I reallybworry about what my sons will be exposed to in the future. It's relevant to all of us.

It’s relevant to society…. My dc are not allowed social media etc and we wouldn’t let them out that late at that age but the themes are vital to ensuring women in the workplace can succeed, men can be heard and respected …. No innocent child is murdered etc etc. don’t you care about others! Or the society your children will live in.