Massive overreaction to a TV show

Also if social media is the new big bad, then what was society thinking when :

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It's not relevant to my life my i thought it was fantastic, the acting and they way of filming was amazing.

The age-old game of pointing fingers. Social media is the latest villain in town, but let’s not kid ourselves entertainment has been shaping minds long before algorithms started serving up outrage on a silver platter.

If society truly wanted to fix delinquency, they wouldn’t just shake their fists at Twitter and TikTok. No, they’d take a scalpel to the entire entertainment industry movies, music, television, even the so-called "news." Because let’s be honest, crime didn’t start with viral trends, and bad behaviour didn’t begin with influencers or even the internet.

If you don’t think what the programme shows relates to you, maybe read this report or many others like it. These youngsters are the adults of the future, living in your society.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-sexual-abuse-in-schools-and-colleges/review-of-sexual-abuse-in-schools-and-colleges#what-did-we-find-out-about-the-scale-and-nature-of-sexual-abuse-in-schools

This proves the point that the issue is humans themselves, as proven then, no internet or social media and still .......

I thought it was brilliant and very thought provoking.

My DDs are mid 20s now and have left home, but I still found it relevant. I have young god daughters/sons and hopefully I may become a grandparent, we all need to keep in touch with this sort of stuff.

My DDs weren't allowed phones/computers in their bedrooms until they were 16 and had done their exams, it caused a lot of rows some evenings but I'm glad I stuck to it. This was nearly 10 years ago, I imagine it would be even more difficult these days. With hindsight I wish I had stuck to it until 18!

But there is a societal issue of male violence against women and girls.'

Where do you live that this is happening?! You need to move if that is the case.

My mum was murdered by her partner.
2 women a week are murdered by a current or ex partner.
Over 90% of women claim to experience sexual harassment or abuse at some point in their lives.

Where you live doesn't fucking matter.

I keep posting this but misogyny is a huge issue in Secondary schools and ever growing in Primaries. This cannot be ignored. It is not just children being dragged up by dysfunctional families

Secondary teacher here and a mother to a teenage son and a teenage daughter. Thought the drama was really interesting and I do see parallels with things I've encountered professionally and with parenting my own children. I think a conversation needs to be had and as Richard Bacon said on Question Time recently perhaps we should equate teenagers with mobile phones and teenagers with cigarettes. Pastorally you won't believe the stuff we see at school in terms of students' social media 'conversations'. Vile, sexualised language, cruel bullying and all the rest. The culprits are by no stretch the 'bad uns' but it is becoming a social norm. The battles I've had with my own two and taking phones up to their rooms at night illustrates to me how dependent and dare I say addicted they have come to this relentless communication. It is their social world. I'm now trying to model with my own phone usage and it's interesting how I too feel the pull of doom scrolling and all the rest.

'But there is a societal issue of male violence against women and girls.'

Where do you live that this is happening?! You need to move if that is the case.

You have a skewed perspective because of your job. You are incredibly ignorant to think otherwise.

There are good and bad people around, some kids are vulnerable to idiots like AT, some men AND women were not taught respect. The issues are nothing new.

But there is a societal issue of male violence against women and girls. Highlighting that doesn't make you a man hater. It's fact.

There are good and bad people around, some kids are vulnerable to idiots like AT, some men AND women were not taught respect. The issues are nothing new.

Are you a bit dense? Not every life portrayed on TV is the same as yours? It can then be informative and perhaps give you some (obviously much needed in your case) insight into other people's lives.

Most parents out there fail to have these conversations with their young people. That’s why there are such raging problems like this.

For you to think otherwise is incredibly ignorant.

As a psychotherapist in London mental health services it stares me in the face daily and has become a wildly increasing problem for the last 15 years or so. I speak from vast experience.

The response is weird in that it lacks so much of the nuance and ambiguity of the show itself. There's a whole load of factors that go into the murder, and I'm not even convinced nasty videos on the Internet is all that high up the list.

I do think these videos are something of a problem in real life, and one society probably ought to pay more attention to, but the actual message of the programme is a lot more complex than that.

THIS. This a hundred times

Part of the point of the show is you don’t always know what’s going on and that’s why it could, in theory, be relevant to anyone. I do understand why people don’t like it but I think the point is often missed. Things like a lack of a definitive “ending” is because that’s how it would be in reality.

I think the biggest problem with it is that it is deeply flawed and the writers were afraid to address the real problem. There have always been dangerous boys. They existed long before the invention of social media and the smartphone.
Men have been killing 2-3 women a week for decades and that number has remained stable throughout. It hasn't suddenly spiked with the introduction of the smartphone. Adolescence couldn't explain anything and offered no solutions, compared to something like Curfew.

The show hinted at intergenerational violence but was afraid to really go there.

The female characters were entirely male gaze and given no room for depth at all. Katie as a victim was entirely ignored. And they also managed to throw in girls are as bad, by having a girl assault a male pupil while everyone just stood around and watched, including the adults.

It was suggested that Jamie was spending all his time online and alone, and yet he was out for hours until late at night with his friends, so not online and alone at all. It was suggested that he was decent and normal and no-one had a clue, which doesn't ring true with what is known about boys who have done this IRL, where they've had contact with multiple agencies in the months prior. It was suggested that he was a lone wolf, but his friend gave him the knife, and that wasn't explored at all either.

Almost all boys are online now, and almost all of them don't go on to kill anyone. It's incredibly rare.

Thorne has fixated on the idea that it's all about the phone when it's not, presumably because it seems to offer a solution that makes parents feel better. It's obvious that social media and the way algorithms work is having an effect on boys with a certain disposition, but they have to be that way inclined in the first place. It encourages them but it doesn't create them from scratch.

How long have you been on MN that you are not aware of the negativity towards men from some posters?

Do you think it's completely unjustified?
Do you think the issues being discussed on this thread and others aren't real?

This is such over dramatic nonsense. You give parents no credit at all.

How long have you been on MN that you are not aware of the negativity towards men from some posters? Not long, obviously.

You won't read any negative posts about my daughters-in-law in future because I have great relationships; love my sons female friends.

Is adolescence the only series you’ve watched that isn’t relevant to your life?
It is actually potentially relevant to your children, their friends and even your grandchildren in the future.
Young incels grow into older incels. Remember what happened in Plymouth a few years ago? That rampage killed people with no connection to the incel culture. When that happened it was the first time I had heard of the term.
It’s a horrifying and eye opening series.

Obviously wasted on you. This is happening sadly.

My friend thought it was rubbish, rubbish acting,no action,boring etc. LOVES the new Snow white movie 🙄😲Go figure 🤦

Andrew Tate has become a catch-all word for the “manosphere” and red pill community online that is absolutely not just a
bogeyman. Tate may be falling out of fashion now, but I can’t promise you that these incel communities are still alive and kicking. How many teenage boys have you worked with recently? This way of thinking is endemic in schools and has a scary grip on children of all backgrounds.