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how to please DIL

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miserablemo · 26/03/2025 10:18

i am at a loss as to how to please my future DIL. she is unhappy that we went away on holiday in March because it meant they didn't have childcare for 14 month old, as her parents were also away, and she/they (because SS also joined in with this) would have to take time off work, and, this is the best bit.. 'we can't do (insert social activity here) as you are away'

when baby was born, we set up a little bank account, and explained too SS and his partner that we would put a little amount in each month, and on occasions like, birthdays, holidays like easter etc, rather than spend a fortune on gifts, we would put a larger amount into the account and we would give a 'token gift'. we asked what was wanted for birthday and was told to buy such and such, which totalled about £50, and then we deposited another £50 into the bank account which i thinks is perfectly acceptable. DIL is now moaning that we didn't get the baby much???

apparently its our fault they are not available in April for a visit as DIL is away every, yes, every weekend in april and again bemoaning that they do not have childcare and that SS is now having to take leave from his job?

i genuinely want to know, what can i do, or what is to be done to please your DIL? and SS, i won't say he is totally blameless.. all i want is a happy, calm relationship, and to have a relationship with these people and their child and it just seems to be so much hard work.

(the holiday in march was booked last year, well before the baby was born) and we assumed at this point the baby would be going to nursery, but apparently, even though he has now free hours? she doesn't want him in nursery?

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Treesandsheepeverywhere · 27/03/2025 23:12

As someone put it OP:
Appreciation turns to expectation, then turns to entitlement, finally it turns to resentment.
Stand your ground.

Ahwig · 27/03/2025 20:48

My grandsons mum bought so many toys for my grandson , for example letting him fill a trolley at toys r us at the age of 3 that we really couldn’t compete. She and my son had separated and co parented well. So after checking with my son that he was happy with the plan I did exactly what you did, I opened an account and bought a smaller present. My grandson is 20 now and at Christmas I gave him the details of the account that he knew nothing about . He is currently spending it travelling the world backpacking . I am apparently the best grandma in the world. This is an experience he will always remember as opposed to some plastic crap that he received at the age of 2, 3, 4 etc

Freshflower · 27/03/2025 19:18

Your DIL sounds a bit rude tbh. Moaning about lack of things you bought and you are entitled to book holidays etc. Maybe just say that as they were upset about XYZ what can we do going forward to minimise arguments, or how can you all work round certain situations so everyone is happy, obviously you shouldn't bend over backwards and not go out your way to please her. You don't sound overbearing in any way , you sound reasonable, I'd just have a chat and try and get a happy balance all round

miserablemo · 27/03/2025 19:06

Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · 27/03/2025 19:00

But the baby is 14 months old, so was most probably already born, when the holiday was booked.

However, I am not standing up for the CF parents. The baby’s care is entirely their responsibility.

correct... however there was never a formal childcare arrangment in place and they were told as soon as we booked the holiday. i didn't realise that we needed permission to book holidays?

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Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · 27/03/2025 19:00

skippy67 · 26/03/2025 10:50

The OP booked the holiday A YEAR AGO! Should she have asked if there was a baby in the offing before doing so? DiL would've loved that I'm sure...

But the baby is 14 months old, so was most probably already born, when the holiday was booked.

However, I am not standing up for the CF parents. The baby’s care is entirely their responsibility.

saraclara · 27/03/2025 14:26

JitterbugFairy · 27/03/2025 13:52

Oh dear. I'd be reining in the babysitting now and putting boundaries in place. They are being very spoilt and ungrateful. They are already assuming you'll be at every beck and call so put an end to that now.

It's easy to say that, but since the couple never bother to visit OP, chances are that this would mean that OP wouldn't get to see her grandchild.

I have friends who do childcare that they no longer have the energy for, because they know that if they didn't, they'd never see their grandchildren. And theirs is a similar situation with the other grandparents living much closer.

Sadly there are couples out there who simply see the grandparent relationship as transactional.

Icanttakethisanymore · 27/03/2025 13:53

Octavia64 · 26/03/2025 10:30

No comment on the childcare situation, but children don’t appreciate money they appreciate gifts.

my FIL wanted to stop doing family gifts altogether at Christmas when my kids were about 4. It made sense from an adult perspective but my 4 year olds would have been devastated not to get presents from family.

maybe reconsider on the token gifts?

I think the child is a baby (a 1 yo)? So actually they appreciate neither gifts nor money.

JitterbugFairy · 27/03/2025 13:52

Oh dear. I'd be reining in the babysitting now and putting boundaries in place. They are being very spoilt and ungrateful. They are already assuming you'll be at every beck and call so put an end to that now.

Careertimenow · 27/03/2025 13:49

miserablemo · 27/03/2025 12:44

I am in a no win situation, SS wants us to provide the same level of 'support' for want of a better word that her parents give. he does appear to be very materialistic, and this is a trait he had prior to baby coming. I feel like when they, because they are both guilty of listing the gifts that her parents have provided, they are either trying to make us jealous and up our game, or just don't realise how what they are saying is coming across.

We try our best, it just never seems good enough and we simply cannot compete with both money and time.

I take onboard most peoples comments, I am happy being 'the other grandparents' and we do what we can when we can

If her parents are mug enough to pay for them then let them do it. Her parents clearly see a deficit in their daughter if they constantly have to buy her love. Don't fall for it do something for yourself and plan another holiday. You seem bothered about not spending money on them, I wonder what your husband is like?
When my daughter left home I said "one out, 3 more to go". You spend most of your salary on them when they are young and they expect you to continue paying for their luxury items when they leave. If he has expensive tastes and is materialistic then tell him to work for it like everyone else. If they don't want to talk to you again then their loss not yours. Stop giving them an audience or spend your money on them they would love that.

saraclara · 27/03/2025 13:47

If you were brave enough, I'd be saying:

"we recognise that (DIL's parents) are providing significant financial and childcare support. However our circumstances are different. The distance and time in travelling to you is significant and cannot be compared to the help that grandparents who live five minutes away, can offer.
We are not privy to their financial situation, but will always do what we can within the limits of ours. It hurts that you seem to find our efforts inadequate. We love you both, and our grandchild dearly. But we would really appreciate you not comparing us to grandparents whose circumstances are different from ours"

Sharptonguedwoman · 27/03/2025 13:03

Octavia64 · 26/03/2025 10:30

No comment on the childcare situation, but children don’t appreciate money they appreciate gifts.

my FIL wanted to stop doing family gifts altogether at Christmas when my kids were about 4. It made sense from an adult perspective but my 4 year olds would have been devastated not to get presents from family.

maybe reconsider on the token gifts?

They spent £50? Plus the bank thing.

BillyBoe46 · 27/03/2025 13:00

miserablemo · 27/03/2025 12:44

I am in a no win situation, SS wants us to provide the same level of 'support' for want of a better word that her parents give. he does appear to be very materialistic, and this is a trait he had prior to baby coming. I feel like when they, because they are both guilty of listing the gifts that her parents have provided, they are either trying to make us jealous and up our game, or just don't realise how what they are saying is coming across.

We try our best, it just never seems good enough and we simply cannot compete with both money and time.

I take onboard most peoples comments, I am happy being 'the other grandparents' and we do what we can when we can

The expectations are unreasonable. You don't want to or don't have the capacity to keep up with her parents. It's your time and your money and you use it how you want to. They are very entitled. Your capacity might change over time as well. My parents provided care for both of my brothers. They had both DN at least 3 days a week for several years. 1 child for several years and then next child for several years. When I had my kids they my parents were older, not fit for it and wouldn't commit to regular care. They provide adhoc care for hospital appointments, special occasions and an overnight every other month ish. I'm not upset. I'm bloody grateful because ITS NOT THEIR JOB. I'd park the behaviour I'd tell them they are being rude/ ungrateful if the comment on the gift or value of it. Same with the care.

miserablemo · 27/03/2025 12:44

Beamur · 26/03/2025 23:04

Your updates don't paint your SS and DIL in a good light!
I don't think you're doing anything wrong but DD and DIL are very different people.
Unless you're willing to give up all your spare time and shower this baby with expensive gifts you'll be falling short...

I am in a no win situation, SS wants us to provide the same level of 'support' for want of a better word that her parents give. he does appear to be very materialistic, and this is a trait he had prior to baby coming. I feel like when they, because they are both guilty of listing the gifts that her parents have provided, they are either trying to make us jealous and up our game, or just don't realise how what they are saying is coming across.

We try our best, it just never seems good enough and we simply cannot compete with both money and time.

I take onboard most peoples comments, I am happy being 'the other grandparents' and we do what we can when we can

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WhatNoRaisins · 27/03/2025 06:28

I think with some people nothing you do will ever be good enough so you need to just accept it and stop trying. Do what you're willing and able to and no more.

Tourmalines · 27/03/2025 01:13

They both sound like arrogant thoughtless people .

Beamur · 26/03/2025 23:04

Your updates don't paint your SS and DIL in a good light!
I don't think you're doing anything wrong but DD and DIL are very different people.
Unless you're willing to give up all your spare time and shower this baby with expensive gifts you'll be falling short...

farmlife2 · 26/03/2025 21:00

It's always unreasonable for someone to assume that because they chose to have a baby, other people's lives must now change to fit their wants for care as well. You are doing nothing wrong. You haven't even committed to regular childcare. Enjoy your holiday and let your SS and DIL sort out care for their child. Like you no doubt had to do with your own children.

Gymnopedie · 26/03/2025 20:56

we were expected to travel an hour, collect child, drive home and then return the child the following day.. that 4 hours of travelling every weekend and we were exhausted!

Further evidence, if it were needed, of their entitlement. If they want you to look after the baby then they should be the ones doing the travelling. You are doing nothing wrong OP, whatever they try to guilt you into feeling.

What does your husband have to say about this? Does he agree that they ask for far to much and are rude about it, or does he ignore it/try to pretend it's not happening? And what is he doing about it?

Purpleturtle43 · 26/03/2025 20:52

Did you post before about the sleepover situation?

redshoesredlaces · 26/03/2025 20:33

Octavia64 · 26/03/2025 10:30

No comment on the childcare situation, but children don’t appreciate money they appreciate gifts.

my FIL wanted to stop doing family gifts altogether at Christmas when my kids were about 4. It made sense from an adult perspective but my 4 year olds would have been devastated not to get presents from family.

maybe reconsider on the token gifts?

Yes they do appreciate gifts. And £50 would have bought though gifts to keep a young child happy surely. So the other £50 in savings is a bonus.

RawBloomers · 26/03/2025 20:30

I think i am guilty of assuming, very stupidly that everyone is the same. That everyone would behave the same as my own DD and her DH do?

There's this. And also, it seems like your DiL may be expecting everyone to be the same and for you and your DH to act like her own parents do (who, it sounds like, do more hands on childcare and give more in the way of presents?).

Mismatched expectations can be really hard to manage, especially if your SS is not actively trying to ensure a smooth relationship.

JLou08 · 26/03/2025 20:13

I don't think posters are being fair to say that if someone commits to regular childcare they are unreasonable to have a holiday. Childminders take holidays, I see no reason why a grandparent can't. I don't see the issues with SS taking time of work either. Don't all parents use annual leave to care for their own child.
I think DIL and SS are very entitled and ungrateful. The present thing is also very cheeky, £50 on a gift and £50 in savings is more than a lot of children get from GPs
I'd be telling them straight they are being very unfair rather than try and appease them or it will just continue.

5128gap · 26/03/2025 19:44

The only way you will please them is to put them and their needs and wishes front and centre. This means checking with them before you make any plans, and being ready at all times to ask 'how high' when they shout 'jump'. So if I were you and didn't want to live like that, I'd make my peace with regular stints in the bad books, and stop trying so hard. Carry on in your own sweet way, being considerate of them and gifting your grandchild as you see fit. If it's nor good enough, then too bad. I doubt they'll cut their nose off to spite their faces.

Careertimenow · 26/03/2025 19:27

miserablemo · 26/03/2025 15:56

we used to provide 1 overnight a month as we both still work full time 24/7 and have other GC and a life to live oursleves. however, somehow this ended up being every week and we were exhausted and missing out on other things because of it so we had to put our foot down and are currenly in what i can only describe as a 'cooling off' period before we start to see what we can offer.

DIL has a wide social circle, and tends to be out or away most weekends leaving SS with the baby, and prior to us putting our foot down, being left with us.

i think, but i do not know that her own mother provides some kind of daytime care, but its not my place to ask.

And yes, it was actually SS who pointed out that our gift 'wasn't much' and that her parents had got this, that and other! he said 'X wasn't very happy with Y's present!' so yes there may be some stirring there

Your DIL does know she has had a baby doesn't she? My life changed when I had my babies no more going out everything had to be planed. I had no babysitter on hand when needed. Not many first time parents go out with their mates that often. She sounds selfish and he (SS) sounds like a push over.

DollydaydreamTheThird · 26/03/2025 18:58

She sounds absolutely vile OP. I feel sorry for you. If I end up with a DIL like this she will be getting told. Why is she so entitled? You don't owe them childcare and you don't owe them expensive gifts. You've done your stint at parenting and it sounds like she needs to learn how to parent if she thinks she can go away every weekend. I would never dream of saying something like that to my MIL and believe me we had our problems when she was alive. I think you need to decide what your boundaries are and set some lines in the sand. Don't let her walk all over you.