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Reported possible benefit fraud

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snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 16:16

I suspect someone of claiming carers allowance fraudulently, and after bottling out several times, I just submitted a report. It’s likely to get back to me if something comes of this and I feel like the bad guy for doing it. Am I the bad guy?! Should I just not have said anything?!

To claim you need to be providing 35 hours a week of care and also earn under a certain threshold and I’m fairly sure this person meets neither of those criteria. (If I’m wrong, of course, there will be no ill effect to the claim).

Feel quite stressed.

OP posts:
Queenanne20 · 25/03/2025 17:06

I'm a full time carer for my dh. The caring doesn't just stop at 5pm, it's a 24 hour job. How can you possibly know how much caring this person does in the evenings and weekends? I know this government is encouraging bashing of disability benefits claimants at the moment but if they, and the public, now turn on carers, there will be a lot of us who might just throw in the towel.
If I stick my dh in a council funded nursing home, which will be the only alternative if I say I can't care for him anymore, then it will cost the government a damn site more than my measly carers allowance. You ought to be ashamed of yourself!

cabbageking · 25/03/2025 17:06

I do know a person who claimed it and started a job that they did not declare.

They were caught eventually and it stopped and they had to pay it all back.

SerendipityJane · 25/03/2025 17:06

PrimitivePerson · 25/03/2025 17:04

I'm quite glad the OP is getting their arse handed to them on a plate for this, I expected the opposite given how fond some Mumsnetters are on reporting stuff.

It does briefly warm the cockles. However this entire thread will be fed into an "AI" engine somewhere to train it to develop nastier and more dog-whistlely posting styles.

Bumpitybumpbumplook · 25/03/2025 17:04

OP you did the right thing. Better to have it checked out.

No idea why so many think benefit cheats need not be reported.

You are a good person. No need for you to worry, if loads of people know, then there will be many suspects. If you get questioned … listen carefully & deny.

cabbageking · 25/03/2025 17:04

The 35 hours include shopping, paying bills, laundry which may be done in your own home or even online ordering groceries, collecting prescriptions and also caring for another person as a carer. But you are only paid once even if you have two carees or you may even go into hospital yourself for 12 weeks. You don't need to do 35 hours with that person face-to-face in person. If they are bringing food and cooking it at home that counts, doing their ironing in their own home. If they go your own home you are entitled to time to prepare and clean up after them. You might do 35 hours in two days and sleep over

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 17:04

LilyOfTheValleySoon · 25/03/2025 17:00

So you made a judgement call that it was worth it and that you have very reasonable grounds for you to say Theyre not ‘a carer’…

I have two comments about that decision
1- if you’re so sure, why are you doubting? Why do you feel guilty/like the bad guy for doing that?
2- Do you know that DWP is very likely going to stop this person carer allowance? For what we know, they might also decide that the person being cared for is also frauding. In which case, all the allowances would stop too. All of it until they’ve proven Theyre not guilty. (Rather than DWP having to prove they are guilty)
So in my books, you need to extremely sure that they are playing the system. Which takes us back to the point above

EDIT to add
You realise that 35 hours a week is about 2 hours of help in the am before work and 2 hours in the evening. Time to help them get dressed, ensure they have breakfast and lunch ready. Time to help them have a shower. And have a meal in the evening. Add some time to clean the house at weekend etc..35 hours is very easy to reach.

Edited

It’s not that I’m doubting, it’s more the societal judgement (as shown here) that made me feel “guilty”, even though I’ve not actually done anything wrong, I’ve followed what’s requested of me.

In this instance, it’s very easy to check if they are earning a full time wage, and if that’s the case, it’s right the benefit is stopped, surely?

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PrimitivePerson · 25/03/2025 17:04

I'm quite glad the OP is getting their arse handed to them on a plate for this, I expected the opposite given how fond some Mumsnetters are on reporting stuff.

SerendipityJane · 25/03/2025 17:04

Riaanna · 25/03/2025 17:02

You can’t claim it fraudulently as it’s based on DLA / PIP entitlement.

I am normally fine with reporting benefit fraud but in this case it’s a bit gross.

If you post any more facts in this thread I will have to report you.

You know the rules.

PrimitivePerson · 25/03/2025 17:02

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 17:01

I don’t think that at all, and that must be very challenging for you.

I don’t think a carer cannot work, I think this person is not entitled to the benefit they’re claiming.

Unless it actually happens to be your job, it's not your business to be thinking it.

SerendipityJane · 25/03/2025 17:02

There’s over £1.35 BILLION of benefit fraud. Every little adds up and serves as a deterrent.

There is over £2billion of unclaimed benefits. I'll leave it to you to get a friend to explain it to you.

Riaanna · 25/03/2025 17:02

You can’t claim it fraudulently as it’s based on DLA / PIP entitlement.

I am normally fine with reporting benefit fraud but in this case it’s a bit gross.

SassK · 25/03/2025 17:02

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 16:59

I agree it’s not enough. It definitely needs review as someone who really cannot work because of demanding caring tasks can’t survive on that.

Equally though, it’s not a top up to be used by a normal working person just because they have a parent on attendance allowance (which is completely unassessed as a benefit so very easy to get). That was the reason I felt it’s wrong. Surely everyone who helps their aged parents should be entitled to this then? But they’re not.

DWP and HMRC historically don’t link up their info and this isn’t a new claim.

But, again, I understand that I’m a terrible person and I will take time to reflect. Appreciate your input everyone.

Maybe you should've asked first, it's too late now for remorse, you've did the damage reporting them. Attendance allowance isn't 'easy' to get either!

Createausernam · 25/03/2025 17:02

ACynicalDad · 25/03/2025 16:31

You did the right thing. The benefits bill needs shrinking, if we could get rid of those who shouldn’t be claiming then there would be less cuts for those that need the support.

And how many such people are there? What is the amount being claimed which shouldn't?

Do you read the Daily Bile, by any chance?

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 17:01

Typecast · 25/03/2025 16:58

I work full time and then my OTHER full time job is caring for my husband across the rest of my time (probably more than another full time job, if I'm being honest). How incredibly short sighted and ignorant of you to assume that because someone works full time they are incapable of being a carer too.

Edited

I don’t think that at all, and that must be very challenging for you.

I don’t think a carer cannot work, I think this person is not entitled to the benefit they’re claiming.

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LilyOfTheValleySoon · 25/03/2025 17:00

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 16:48

No, they even got a second cash in hand evening job at one point. As I say, I’m as sure as I can be without living with the person that they simply don’t meet any of the criteria.

So you made a judgement call that it was worth it and that you have very reasonable grounds for you to say Theyre not ‘a carer’…

I have two comments about that decision
1- if you’re so sure, why are you doubting? Why do you feel guilty/like the bad guy for doing that?
2- Do you know that DWP is very likely going to stop this person carer allowance? For what we know, they might also decide that the person being cared for is also frauding. In which case, all the allowances would stop too. All of it until they’ve proven Theyre not guilty. (Rather than DWP having to prove they are guilty)
So in my books, you need to extremely sure that they are playing the system. Which takes us back to the point above

EDIT to add
You realise that 35 hours a week is about 2 hours of help in the am before work and 2 hours in the evening. Time to help them get dressed, ensure they have breakfast and lunch ready. Time to help them have a shower. And have a meal in the evening. Add some time to clean the house at weekend etc..35 hours is very easy to reach.

pizzaHeart · 25/03/2025 17:00

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 16:48

No, they even got a second cash in hand evening job at one point. As I say, I’m as sure as I can be without living with the person that they simply don’t meet any of the criteria.

Why have you started this thread then? I’m genuinely curious because it’s not clear from your OP.
Of course I’m not policing threads at all and “I was bored and had nothing to do” is a good enough reason. It’s just that it’s always easier to answer OP’s post if OP’s question is clear. Yours wasn’t clear.

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 16:59

Disscombobulated · 25/03/2025 16:52

Carers allowance is currently £81.90 per week, the criteria is 35 hours (minimum) per week, that’s a maximum of £2.34 per hour! It’s a pittance and frankly an embarrassment on society.

Caring isnt linear, there are often some repetitive tasks, but many tasks are unpredictable and unplanned. There is a very clear earnings threshold (£150 PW, I believe).

I am a carer, although I am fortunate that I don’t work, many, many do - who can live on £81.90 a week? From the outside you have no idea how much work is undertaken. IMO it’s an unbelievably nasty thing which you have done.

I agree it’s not enough. It definitely needs review as someone who really cannot work because of demanding caring tasks can’t survive on that.

Equally though, it’s not a top up to be used by a normal working person just because they have a parent on attendance allowance (which is completely unassessed as a benefit so very easy to get). That was the reason I felt it’s wrong. Surely everyone who helps their aged parents should be entitled to this then? But they’re not.

DWP and HMRC historically don’t link up their info and this isn’t a new claim.

But, again, I understand that I’m a terrible person and I will take time to reflect. Appreciate your input everyone.

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SassK · 25/03/2025 16:58

What a dreadful thing to do. You must be incredibly unhappy with your own lot in life to have gone to such lengths on a hunch. I wouldn't report my worst enemy (I think bad energy boomerangs back to you).

I can understand reporting someone you think is being abusive or such like, but to report someone getting a pittance (carers allowance is probably only enough to cover a month's petrol money!) for minding their elderly parent is just vile.

Typecast · 25/03/2025 16:58

I work full time and then my OTHER full time job is caring for my husband across the rest of my time (probably more than another full time job, if I'm being honest). How incredibly short sighted and ignorant of you to assume that because someone works full time they are incapable of being a carer too.

Yougetmoreofwhatyoufocuson · 25/03/2025 16:58

MoreChocPls · 25/03/2025 16:33

There’s over £1.35 BILLION of benefit fraud. Every little adds up and serves as a deterrent.

yanbu.

All the mistakes the DWP make are classed as fraud. They make mistakes all the time, all classed as fraud.
Actual fraud is less than one percent.
If they stopped spending so much on all the tribunals for disabled people who have applied for PIP they could give them all double the money and still have some over.
The biggest problem with the benefit system is how inefficient it is.

dovetail22uk · 25/03/2025 16:57

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 16:55

Absolutely know for a fact that’s not happening

"Knowing" and having evidence are two different things. You should drop this and don't do it again. Just mind your business and stop reading the Daily Mail.

Oioisavaloy27 · 25/03/2025 16:57

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 16:55

Absolutely know for a fact that’s not happening

Nasty nasty nasty, do you live in their house?

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 16:55

Oioisavaloy27 · 25/03/2025 16:50

How do you know that the person is not being cared for throughout the night? You sound like a busybody and a not very nice person.

Absolutely know for a fact that’s not happening

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TwoBigNoisyBoys · 25/03/2025 16:54

What an unbelievably nasty thing to do.

SerendipityJane · 25/03/2025 16:54

FoucaultsPendulum · 25/03/2025 16:53

"Fairly" sure is not good enough to launch something like this.

The policemen that removed Jean Charles de Menenzes head were 100% sure they had the right man.

Maybe the OP should get a job in surveillance. We need people who are "pretty certain" about things.