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Reported possible benefit fraud

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snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 16:16

I suspect someone of claiming carers allowance fraudulently, and after bottling out several times, I just submitted a report. It’s likely to get back to me if something comes of this and I feel like the bad guy for doing it. Am I the bad guy?! Should I just not have said anything?!

To claim you need to be providing 35 hours a week of care and also earn under a certain threshold and I’m fairly sure this person meets neither of those criteria. (If I’m wrong, of course, there will be no ill effect to the claim).

Feel quite stressed.

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littlestrawberryhat · 25/03/2025 17:32

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SolarSaviour · 25/03/2025 17:32

The amount paid is very low for 35 hours
Many people care for more than 35 hours
Work is allowed, up to a certain amount per week

https://www.gov.uk/carers-allowance

Carer's Allowance

Apply for Carer's Allowance - money to help you look after someone who needs to be cared for. Apply online or use form DS700.

https://www.gov.uk/carers-allowance

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 17:31

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I guess I’m fed up of following the rules when people around me just do what they like.

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Riaanna · 25/03/2025 17:20

Again incorrect. If you’re earning more than x you aren’t eligible.

There are also fixed criteria for AA, age and confirmed condition.

You're not even informed!

Nor are you - inform yourself here: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/dec/11/hundreds-of-thousands-hit-by-ruinous-carers-allowance-penalties-audit-shows

Claimants can, and do, go over the earnings limit and not get informed, and if/when discovered, they have to pay back everything. If they go over the threshold in one week by 1p, they don't have to pay back 1p, they have to pay back the entire allowance. If they go over the threshold by 1p every week for a yeas, they don't have to pay back £0.52, they have to pay back £4,258.80.

Let's hope the OP is happy with the idea that if his neighbour was a few quid over the earnings limit that they could be made homeless.

Hundreds of thousands hit by ruinous carer’s allowance penalties, audit shows

Campaigners say NAO report shows impact of DWP staffing decisions and failure to address flaws in benefit’s design

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/dec/11/hundreds-of-thousands-hit-by-ruinous-carers-allowance-penalties-audit-shows

ZookeeperSE · 25/03/2025 17:31

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 17:16

More recently yes, but this is not a new claim. There’s lots of people who have earned too much and not been discovered until later down the line.

Again, if that’s the case and all is well then it’s not an issue is it.

If I’m wrong, of course, there will be no ill effect to the claim

Bullshit. Being under investigation will be incredibly stressful. My DH and I were once reported to HMRC for not paying tax by some cunt - yes I do know who. They didn’t know the facts either, they just thought they did. But the stress of being investigated was off the scale. Thank fuck my DH is so anal he kept information going back years, way longer than required to prove we were paying everything we owed. DH had cancer at the time. You don’t know whether the benefit is AA or not, you’re just assuming? Either way, the elderly person must have a disability of some kind to be eligible for the associated benefit, so who is caring for them then, if not the person you have reported? And if you think the elderly person is claiming AA fraudulently why haven’t you reported them too?

JazbayGrapes · 25/03/2025 17:30

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snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 17:30

PinkLemonIceCream · 25/03/2025 17:29

The government guidance on Attendance Allowance says you have to provide medical evidence with the form and that if it's unclear what your needs are that you'll be visited by a medical professional to assess you, so I don't know why the OP thinks it isn't assessed at all.

I'm really sorry for what happened to you @blemin

Experience of people claiming and knowing people who process the claims. It may well say that but the reality is different.

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Whippetlovely · 25/03/2025 17:29

PleaseDontFingerMyPouffe · 25/03/2025 16:33

Tell me you're ignorant without saying "I'm ignorant".

Benefits fraud is at 0.2%

It might be 0.3 now she's reported! They don't know the real stats because the clues in the title, it's fraud! They only know when they catch people doing it. Carers allowance is a pittance so not going to make much difference but I'm sure the real figure is well over 0.2percent that figure is laughable.

PinkLemonIceCream · 25/03/2025 17:29

The government guidance on Attendance Allowance says you have to provide medical evidence with the form and that if it's unclear what your needs are that you'll be visited by a medical professional to assess you, so I don't know why the OP thinks it isn't assessed at all.

I'm really sorry for what happened to you @blemin

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 17:29

Butchyrestingface · 25/03/2025 17:27

Will you confirm what you did if challenged by person involved or deny, @snitchapparently ?

I probably wouldn’t be, but I’m leaning towards admit.

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Blemin · 25/03/2025 17:25

Year ago, when I was a family carer, someone online doxxed and reported me, just to hurt me. They stopped my money and investigated me. I ate one meal a day so I could keep heating the house for my tetraplegic husband. I was so so afraid.

Even though it was dismissed, that single report marked us for life, and we were investigated over and over again - by the DSS, by tax credits, by the housing, for years. I was threatened with prosecution while lying in intensive care, near death. I had never breached a single condition of our benefit claim.

Well done OP. You've played your little part, another brick in the wall.

I’m sorry. I really am. That’s so awful.

That was not my intention at all. We’re literally encouraged to do this, but it shouldn’t lead to constant speculation against you when you’ve done nothing wrong.

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Butchyrestingface · 25/03/2025 17:27

Will you confirm what you did if challenged by person involved or deny, @snitchapparently ?

SolarSaviour · 25/03/2025 17:27

I hope that you realise that you can be a carer for someone & not live with the person that you care for.

My friend does this for someone, who is unable to live alone unaided. (I will not be providing their full situation)

My friend manages their money; accommodation, health appointee etc

It is a stressful "job" onto of looking after their own family & working.

Would you be a carer for someone else ?

It is a huge responsibility !

How dare you !

PyongyangKipperbang · 25/03/2025 17:26

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 17:22

In what way do you believe it is assessed? It isn’t. They don’t call you in for assessment for AA, they don’t check anything. You write on the application why you think you need it, yes it needs to meet some “criteria” (but nothing like PIP etc) then they award it or don’t. No assessment.

How many assessments have you had for AA? My mothers very much was assessed, my fathers was not so much because he already had DLA from pre retirement so it was based on that assessment (far more rigourous than the AA assessment btw).

You know absolutely nothing about AA or CA, that is clear. This person will not be getting a "top up on earnings" if they are over the limit but they CAN still be classed as a carer. They just wont receive any payments.

You really are making yourself lookn more bitter and ignorant with every post. As the saying goes, when you are in a hole, stop digging.

ilovesooty · 25/03/2025 17:25

Annajones101 · 25/03/2025 17:13

OP, on MN you must never report fraud. Wonder why people here are so against it. Could it because they are at it themselves? That’s why they defend benefit fraud so vehemently.

I don't think the OP is right and I've never claimed benefits.

Welshwhales · 25/03/2025 17:25

Caring also includes things done at carers own home . That could include many things you may not even know about . You may even jeopardise the care of the person who needs it now .

Blemin · 25/03/2025 17:25

Year ago, when I was a family carer, someone online doxxed and reported me, just to hurt me. They stopped my money and investigated me. I ate one meal a day so I could keep heating the house for my tetraplegic husband. I was so so afraid.

Even though it was dismissed, that single report marked us for life, and we were investigated over and over again - by the DSS, by tax credits, by the housing, for years. I was threatened with prosecution while lying in intensive care, near death. I had never breached a single condition of our benefit claim.

Well done OP. You've played your little part, another brick in the wall.

Theunamedcat · 25/03/2025 17:23

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 17:16

More recently yes, but this is not a new claim. There’s lots of people who have earned too much and not been discovered until later down the line.

Again, if that’s the case and all is well then it’s not an issue is it.

It's an issue for the person having there monies suspended and no clue when/if they get it back again

PinkLemonIceCream · 25/03/2025 17:23

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 17:16

More recently yes, but this is not a new claim. There’s lots of people who have earned too much and not been discovered until later down the line.

Again, if that’s the case and all is well then it’s not an issue is it.

All isn't well for people being investigated for benefit fraud; they can have their payments stopped for months while it goes on - the backlog, inefficiency and delays are extreme. It's not a case of someone quickly checking and saying oh yes it's fine, carry on.

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 17:22

Silvers11 · 25/03/2025 17:17

It absolutely IS assessed. Don't care who told you that, it isn't true

But it isn't means tested. Think whoever told you that got mixed up. Or maybe you did when you were told?

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In what way do you believe it is assessed? It isn’t. They don’t call you in for assessment for AA, they don’t check anything. You write on the application why you think you need it, yes it needs to meet some “criteria” (but nothing like PIP etc) then they award it or don’t. No assessment.

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Createausernam · 25/03/2025 17:20

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 16:47

No, because they’re not a carer in that sense of the word. They are using their elderly parent as a way to get extra income essentially. Most of us will face looking after our aging parents, but most of us wouldn’t use it as a way to get money to which we’re not entitled.

Appreciate many people think I’m unreasonable, I take on your views. However the “you only have a suspicion” folk, thats a bit daft as that’s all anyone can ever have - pieces of information which culminate in suspicion which is then looked into. Other than people reporting themselves I’m not sure how you think this works!

How do you KNOW that they are not "a carer in that sense of the word"?

How do you KNOW that they are "using their elderly parent as a way to get extra income essentially"?

As for AIBU - on Reddit the abbreviation would be AITA, and yes, you really are.

Riaanna · 25/03/2025 17:20

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 17:16

More recently yes, but this is not a new claim. There’s lots of people who have earned too much and not been discovered until later down the line.

Again, if that’s the case and all is well then it’s not an issue is it.

Again incorrect. If you’re earning more than x you aren’t eligible.

There are also fixed criteria for AA, age and confirmed condition.

You're not even informed!

PinkLemonIceCream · 25/03/2025 17:19

snitchapparently · 25/03/2025 17:14

Not in a position to ask unfortunately.

But yes, AA is likely the easiest benefit to get as it’s not assessed whatsoever. Confirmed by staff who process it!

What do you mean it isn't assessed? Attendance allowance is based on health conditions, disability and need for personal care for pensioners. They have to fill in a form and provide supporting medical evidence of their needs. Unless you're that person's doctor, how would you know their medical needs?

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