To think the UK is in terminal decline

I was referring to the poster claiming they didn't feel safe in their own neighbourhood

I don't know about terminal decline but I often think I'm glad to be in my 50s and childfree so I dont have to worry too much about the future. That doesn't mean I don't care about future generations just that I'm not going to ruin the years I have left by worrying about things I can't change. I live in the middle of nowhere so I don't have to see the scruffy, litter strewn mess that most cities seem to have become.

Are you trying to suggest that the Vikings were very moral decent people who worked hard and respectfully integrated with the existing population 🤣

When you're old like me you can look back and remember how your country's economy etc rose and declined, then rose and declined, over your lifetime.

But you understand that we never recovered from the 08 crash, there hasn't been a rise since. And in the past we didn't have today's demographics...

If you want to solve the population issue fast enough to avoid climate disaster you are talking billions of people who need to die within the next couple of years

for the uk to be self sufficient we would need about half the population to die today

try to be a little practical

I never understand the "we have too many people", do they just think we should start culling the elderly?

@Mrsbloggz and we are feeling the impact of that now.

This is true. But people invested in housing because-
1-the government incentivized them to do so, and
2-a period of abnormally low interest rates meant that there were few other opportunities to get a good return on your money.

The Vikings didn’t submit benefits claims, no. They did however, raid settlements and sometimes burned them down.

It’s the decline of the west/ Europe. Future growth will come form the African continent, maybe supported by china and India.

maybe it’s time for our children to be the migrants who make their fortune abroad?

Yes we have too many people.

We have too many people because advances in medical science mean that we can keep people alive for far longer than they are able to be economically productive.

We do not have the resources to support and care for increasing numbers of elderly people who are dependent on decreasing numbers of young people.

most people in the western world are enjoying lives better than other generation that has existed

Not for the young...

This

And the ageing population means taxes can only go up

Housing and investing only in housing has fucked the economy

Ultimately we have too many people and only the really rich or the really poor are having bigger families nowadays. The mugs in the middle are paying for it all.

The main difference being that the Vikings, the Normans etc didn’t claim money from those born in the uk to settle here? They either worked or died?

When you're old like me you can look back and remember how your country's economy etc rose and declined, then rose and declined, over your lifetime.

ATM there are too many people and the Welfare State has become unsustainable.

There is no easy or painless fix to this. I think it's going to have to get quite a lot worse before it can upswing again - but I have no doubt it will, because History shows us this is what happens, to all countries, eternally.

It’s it just the uk. It’s western societies who for some reason think they are owed a certain standard of living. Even if they don’t work for it or work minimal hours. Where else on the planet does someone expect to be housed, fed and have money ( by tax payers ) left over for luxuries except in the UK?

They probably said the same about the romans, the vikings, the saxons, the Normans, the flemings, the french huguenots, the irish, the German palatines, the russian jews, the polish, the caribbean, the south Asians, the Cypriots etc.....all coming over here, ruining our country

Decline probably but terminal no.

I have to agree with this and I’m considered a millennium. A lot of people want everything but don’t want to make any sacrifices or work hard to get it.

Completely agree with this. The cost of living and housing crisis is the same where I am living now (not the UK). Pros and cons to each country but I don’t think the problems the UK are having are unique. Well perhaps the NHS and benefits part. But there are negatives to where I am too.

People need to be more mentally tough and self-reliant. If you are waiting for politicians to sort out your problems you will face a lifetime of disappointment.

Except the older generations tended to be more resilient and hard working than younger generations, many of whom are wrapped up in themselves and want everything handed to them on a plate.

My city is all homeless tents and litter. Nothing like how it was when I moved here 20 years ago.

It is all aggressive white British men shouting racist comments, starting alcohol and drug fuelled fights, yelling at people in the street if they don't give them money, fly tipping everywhere.

The rest of the population is students, stay at home mums, and people in their late 40s/early 50s who can't cope with their jobs any more and have retired early, and pensioners.

The immigrants seem to be the only ones actually working.