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To hate the whole SEND system and everyone in it and wish they would all sod off

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ASimpleLampoon · 22/03/2025 23:24

Not really but I'm just fed up.

I have one child in mainstream school. Has a health issue, no diagnosis, support plan in place in school. Everything is fine. Model student , great relationship with school.

I have a child with multiple disabilities /issues in a SEND school , considered "complex" and I am just fed up with doing my best but it never being enough.

I'm fed up of worrying if he'll want to go on his transport every day , or if we all get a call to pick him up.

I'm fed up of checking the school app every day , and waiting in e afternoon if I'm going to get a call to say he's had a bad day.

I'm fed up of the endless paperwork, the endless meetings , the phone calls, re waiting lists the appointments.

I don't want to talk to a teacher or support worker or pediatrician or OT or SALT.

I just want to have a normal day where I don't have to share with strangers every intimate detail of my life.
I constantly feel scrutinised and judged and like nothing I do is enough.

Yet I no longer have a .career or any hope of working more than part time, my social life is limited , I do have friends I meet up with but nowhere near the freedom I'd have if I wasn't a carer.

I don't have a life outside of caring for my child, and in a way that's OK, I love him and would do anything for him and he's amazing..

But I think I'm going to scream if I have to fill in one more form or go to one more appointment or one more meeting or speak to one more professional

I'm a. Private person and I can't stand the constant intrusion.

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Arthurnewyorkcity · 23/03/2025 07:12

Hi op, is it more you feel you need to be there? I have a complex ds in send school. Next week I'll be up there at ĥis physio, but I could say no, ring me after etc.
With regards to picking up, they kept sending him home saying he wasn't himself... I've now said unless he's physically sick I'm not picking him up. Some of these sen schools do seem to be quick to phone, probably because the classes are hard to manage.
I appreciate saying no to meetings can make you feel like a bad mum, but looking after yourself is important too. If you're not needed there and can be done in a phone call, do that

StartEngine · 23/03/2025 07:09

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I know you’re behaving as the lowest of the low for attention but you’re not even doing a good job of that.

sageGreen81 · 23/03/2025 06:50

I hear you!! I’m sorry to say that if you don’t have a child with extra/similar needs then people don’t see the impact. It’s exhausting, I’ve aged like 10 years in like a year (this year has been the toughest).

I know what you mean, it’s almost like you want a moment where you can forget, where you are not defined by your child’s needs.

I have so many forms to still fill in for different things. It’s just mind-blowing.

I’m also fed up of people thinking it can be ‘fixed’ and giving me parent tips, or always asking me how things are. I don’t want to talk to people. I don’t have the time or energy.

big hugs.

imip · 23/03/2025 06:46

Solidarity. I have 3 dcs with EHCPs. One completely out of school. A sixth former just getting through the days and low attendance. We have worked with autism, ADHD, anorexia and OCD. Visual and auditory hallucinations. We’ve had a multitude of CAMHS appts for years (we didn’t have them for a long while, which is why things got so bad. In fact, one of my children was going to be put on a CP plan due to lack of professional involvement from CAMHS. I think there is a form of trauma from the constant waiting rooms, form filling, meeting new professionals. Have just started a tribunal case as the LA won’t name a parental preference, despite evidence from CAMHS. DC very upset and just wants to go to school. Even if I felt I could, she does not want to be homeschooled and just wants to be ‘normal’.

its ok to occasionally have a moan about how hard this all is. Also I think the system has been weaponised against parents. I manage to work part time and also work in the ‘system’. I hope my lived experience makes be a better person to work with for the families I support.

ASimpleLampoon · 23/03/2025 06:45

Thanks everyone for your replies. I have read all of them and I hope I have thanked you all by replying or just in the reacts to the posts.

I hope those of you who are going through it can take some moments of joy.

And I don't hate anyone . There are many lovely people working hard for my child and I'm sure they are doing their best too. It's nothing personal and I'm sure they would wish us parents would sod off at times too!

I've had a sleep and will try to take some time for myself tomorrow.

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Bonsaibaby · 23/03/2025 06:41

I know you’re not asking no for advice but I did wonder if you could ask for all non emergency correspondence through email. Then you can look when you feel ready. Obviously this won’t change calls from school when you need to pick him up.
for meetings, if you find them intrusive at home, can you ask about them booking a room at a GP and say you want these limited to 2 a year or however many you think necessary.
The SEND code of practice says there must be 3 reviews a year but if you don’t want this on top of other appointments that’s ok.

Christmasandallthetrimmings · 23/03/2025 06:40

I can't change anything about the system, and I can't change the struggles my DD has and my sheer exhaustion. But hey, at least I can report all the nasty comments on SEN threads. I've got your backs SEN mummies, if only we all had the energy to make our own system 😂

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 23/03/2025 06:31

Signetsarah · 22/03/2025 23:38

Okay not sure what advice you’re after but wish you all the best x

She hasn't asked for advice about what to do, she's just expressing that it's exhausting and intrusive and she wishes she didn't have to do any of it.

ASimpleLampoon · 23/03/2025 06:28

shut up moaning, gawd knows wat your trying to achieve from this thread. Oh yea to moan! It’s your child, shut up moaning and get on with it victim!

Well your comment made me laugh as I've had a little sleep and feel better thanks to the kind comments from others.

I have a good reason to not have anything better to do on a Saturday night but you are quite pitiful. Hope you feel better now.

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EHCPerhaps · 23/03/2025 06:16

Solidarity with parent carers feeling completely ground down and in desperate need of support. Also hear you with the wish to just be able to have the normal expectations of a private family or personal life. Flowers

MN is feeling increasingly hostile to families and individuals with disabilities in the last couple of weeks (coincidentally just as the government appears to be lurching in this same direction Hmm) I’ve reported multiple posts on this thread.

This is meant to be a support site for parents.

NC10125 · 23/03/2025 06:11

I get it. We're clinging on by our fingertips in mainstream, but nowhere near the threshold for a special school place.

We don't have an EHCP because "school can manage his needs within the notional budget". But it doesn't look like managing his needs from my point of view. Or from his teacher's if the number of phone calls is anything to go from.

And I am so tired of the thinking all of the time - what therapy haven't we tried, what parenting change could I make, when can I book this OT meeting, who haven't I told about this test result yet etc etc.

And I'm a single parent so on top of that trying to support my other child who feels a bit overlooked most of the time........

Doors247 · 23/03/2025 05:45

Op I completely get it, my child is complex needs also and however much I do love them it is mentally draining.
I hate the weekdays, I don't even get out of school until 10am most days.
They would never manage transport unfortunately.
And then they are part time, I have thought about home schooling but then all support would be gone and the little bit we do get I desperately need.

I constantly worry about the future, I don't get any respite and dont really have a life as I do most of the load ( husband work fulls time) and when he is at home he does step up.

I do have another child (adult now with learning disabilities and other Sen and is still in special education) but even though he has sen his sibling is much much more difficult and needs supervision constantly.

I love my children dearly and have done everything possible to make sure there getting everything they need but it has come with a huge cost to my mental health and carers just don't seem to get much support to help with that.
Oh other then a few groups that the council set up which most can not accsess because of there caring responsibilities.

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ASimpleLampoon · 23/03/2025 04:03

Lyannaa · 23/03/2025 01:53

I get it. My most complex child (before she went to residential school) had input from CAHMS. I’m autistic myself and I hated the constant intrusion of this person sitting in my house saying ‘oh dear’ when she had no advice and no answers. I would have found it easier to cope with without her there!!

This is why I never bothered with CAMHS . Never heard a single positive story

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ASimpleLampoon · 23/03/2025 03:59

lilmishap · 23/03/2025 01:48

My 10 yr old was assessed as being between 4-8yr old by SAL, he has serious OCD behaviours, sleeps less than 4 hours a night and has developed a tic disorder at 9.5 yrs old. He used to be popular, all the parties and well liked. He is now isolated and talks of suicide.

I've just sent the email asking for assessment, I thought his school had done it over a year ago.

His last school recognised he needed an ehcp in 2020 DURING LOCKDOWN. As a result they sent so much information to his new school, because during 2020 he had the fullattention of every SEN, SAL and was even seen by 2 educational psychs? They gathered ALL the info needed but due to DV knew we would be moving to a different county.

We moved in 2021 and nothing. I found out a few months ago that his school is claiming to be gathering evidence, THE EVIDENCE HIS LAST SCHOOL ALREADY COLLECTED.

All of the last schools work is useless now, they spent thousands

Yeah it's a fucking joke except it involves my sons life

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I'm sorry its been tough for you too

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ASimpleLampoon · 23/03/2025 03:53

Ohthatsabitshit · 23/03/2025 02:07

It’s the volume of meetings and paperwork that results in so little that’s hard. I get tired of people wanting to meet at our home because it really is intrusive and exhausting. I often wonder if we would have been better off not engaging at all.

Thank you. My thoughts exactly.

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Ownyourchoices · 23/03/2025 02:27

Oh and further, home-schooling was never going to be an option. I am not a teacher and could no way meet his needs. Or manage it and parent. It would have killed me. No matter how much I love him.

Ownyourchoices · 23/03/2025 02:26

Its is a very hard gig. My son is non-verbal, intellectually disabled and is autistic. I am in Australia and the system is different here but we were able to go private and his private school is outstanding, I get calls but only when absolutely necessary and they go out of their way to facilitate. We get respite and pay for more of it.

I work and have a career - professional services and I have tailored the client list deliberately so I can still have one. There is a lot I can't do but I do have one. Husband travels a lot and I have an older DD who has been an amazing older sister.

So we are on the very lucky end of things. But the 24/7 thinking never goes away. You can never just do things, I have to slot things into times so they get done. Its a life-long responsibility as he will never be independent. You have to take your moments when you get them.

But I hear you. Solidarity

ASimpleLampoon · 23/03/2025 02:09

Imonlyhappywhenitrains · 23/03/2025 01:39

I have a child with an EHCP in year 7 with additional needs rather than complex. I totally get the watching an app in dread, daily (I jump out of my skin when my phone rings in school hours - so much trauma from so many negative calls/meetings from primary.)
I'm working again, but self-employed. There is no way I would have been able to hold down a job working for someone else, mentally or physically over the last few years.
The looming transition to secondary and the senco from primary's negativity about it sent my husband into depression and sent a torpedo into our previously solid marriage; still waiting to see if we can work things out.
I'm very used to that cold feeling: you feel you are on the outside as everyone around you is living a typical/normal family life and then the rage when well-meaning people tell you there is no such thing as an average kid, when you are literally surrounded by families with average kids 🙄
Wondering, will my child who is the size of a small adult have a public meltdown today or not?
To be able to casually drop your kid off at brownies/summer camp/breakfast club without a backward glance like most parents do is an unimaginable dream.
The massive irritation when people groan that their kid stayed up till ten, causing them much stress, when ten is a super early night for yours, or that their 5 year old has started bedwetting for a few days when you have an 11 year old still not close to being reliably dry at night.
It is also challenging for me to relate to friends when they want to tell me that their children have ADHD or are 'definitely on the spectrum somewhere' but (and good for them) are doing ever so well in school (with virtually zero support needs), socially are getting on well with lots of friends, and have many varied hobbies.
I know what you mean about wanting to be private. It particularly irked me that the EHCP included details of me having a failed induction and C-section. I knew that half of the teachers in the school would have seen it. Just a small thing, but it was my personal medical details!

To be able to casually drop your kid off at brownies/summer camp/breakfast club without a backward glance like most parents do is an unimaginable dream

This is the hardest part for me

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Ohthatsabitshit · 23/03/2025 02:07

It’s the volume of meetings and paperwork that results in so little that’s hard. I get tired of people wanting to meet at our home because it really is intrusive and exhausting. I often wonder if we would have been better off not engaging at all.

ASimpleLampoon · 23/03/2025 02:06

NineteenSeventyNine · 23/03/2025 01:38

Just wanted to send solidarity, OP. I have two SEND kids with very different needs and it’s absolutely relentless. I’m hanging onto my (low-paid, PT) job by a thread but if I gave it up to home educate I know my own MH would suffer (I’m autistic and rely heavily on the structure and interest my job provides, such as it is) and at least one of my DC would hate it anyway. Appreciate it works for some but, like our kids, we are all individuals and have to find the solutions that work best for us and our families (as if that should need to be said on a thread like this!) It’s so sad to see parents turn on each other when the problem is an education system that isn’t fit for purpose and a society that judges a person's worth by their productivity and little else.

As for the SEND system, the language I routinely use about it is far stronger than yours, so I commend your restraint! Also totally agree about the intrusive nature of it all - I sometimes really envy the families who get to go into school for parents’ evening a couple of times a year and have a quick chat about their DC’s grades, handwriting, etc, when several of my DC’s teachers have seen me at absolute breaking point and I spend more time speaking to school/LA staff than my own friends. My only advice there is that finding a couple of other SEND parents to chat to at the school gates has been a godsend. Nobody else (family, colleagues, etc) really seems to have any idea how all-consuming it is.

Thank you! I don't think MNHQ would allow the thread if I used the words I really wanted to

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lilmishap · 23/03/2025 01:59

Lyannaa · 23/03/2025 01:53

I get it. My most complex child (before she went to residential school) had input from CAHMS. I’m autistic myself and I hated the constant intrusion of this person sitting in my house saying ‘oh dear’ when she had no advice and no answers. I would have found it easier to cope with without her there!!

We were refferred to AMHS 4 years ago for my eldest. Nothing.
He's 11 now and his independent/specialist school provided what CAMHS should have.
This is why an EHCP matters

Lyannaa · 23/03/2025 01:53

I get it. My most complex child (before she went to residential school) had input from CAHMS. I’m autistic myself and I hated the constant intrusion of this person sitting in my house saying ‘oh dear’ when she had no advice and no answers. I would have found it easier to cope with without her there!!

lilmishap · 23/03/2025 01:48

My 10 yr old was assessed as being between 4-8yr old by SAL, he has serious OCD behaviours, sleeps less than 4 hours a night and has developed a tic disorder at 9.5 yrs old. He used to be popular, all the parties and well liked. He is now isolated and talks of suicide.

I've just sent the email asking for assessment, I thought his school had done it over a year ago.

His last school recognised he needed an ehcp in 2020 DURING LOCKDOWN. As a result they sent so much information to his new school, because during 2020 he had the fullattention of every SEN, SAL and was even seen by 2 educational psychs? They gathered ALL the info needed but due to DV knew we would be moving to a different county.

We moved in 2021 and nothing. I found out a few months ago that his school is claiming to be gathering evidence, THE EVIDENCE HIS LAST SCHOOL ALREADY COLLECTED.

All of the last schools work is useless now, they spent thousands

Yeah it's a fucking joke except it involves my sons life

TaggieO · 23/03/2025 01:46

@Signetsarah the only one hijacking, and frankly being a complete arse, is you. You have told everyone who doesn’t have the exact same experience as you “professional victims” repeatedly, and been nothing but condescending and sneering.

OP, I get it. The constant, relentless grind of SEN admin is exhausting. You aren’t alone. It’s a system designed to make it as hard as possible to get any support in the hope that you’ll stop asking so they won’t have to cough up the money for any adjustments.

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