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Reception DD Being Assaulted

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kurotora · 22/03/2025 22:58

AIBU to think that it’s not normal for a child in Reception to come home regularly with injuries from another child - eg black eye, split lip, lots of bruising?

Our DD is 4 years old, and on a weekly/biweekly basis she will come home with the aforementioned kind of wounds, all from one particular boy in her class. I have been at the school, sent emails, taken photos. The response has been frustrating - a lot of outright denial that they saw anything when DD says otherwise, minimising, implying that it “must have been a fall”. We have seen him go for her, zero in on her and harass her at class parties, and the school have acknowledged this in a roundabout way, but have been very unhelpful. DD is a quiet, shy girl with an autism diagnosis who finds it very very hard to speak up, especially when upset, and they are putting the onus on her to tell the teachers when this is happening.

The best we have had is that they’re “keeping them apart” which sounds ludicrous and impractical in a rowdy class of 30, but we will also get Tapestry updates with photos of them sat near each other etc. So we know that’s not happening.

I feel very powerless and it seems absolutely abnormal to me that a little girl should just have to deal with being assaulted like this. There was definitely never any injuries like this when I was at primary school and I came from a much rougher place than we live now!

OP posts:
ohnowwhatcanitbe · 31/03/2025 18:06

If they continue to be obstructive, you could always mention to them that you are considering reporting the school to the police for neglect, and for negligently allowing your child to be abused by another child, despite repeated request from you asking them to look after her.

ButThisIsMyHappyFace · 31/03/2025 18:02

kurotora · 31/03/2025 17:08

DH was with me at the meeting, he supported me with what I was saying and added his input. He does find situations like this really hard but did his best.

Bloody hell, if I knew where in the country you were, I’d come with you. The school is absolutely not doing its job here. Keep calm, become a broken record if necessary. Point to their own procedures and rules, just as you have been doing. I’m so angry for you - this gives us teachers a bad name.

Make sure someone minutes the meetings and send a written summary of it to all attendees, stating where there was disagreement e.g. “We stated that during meetings with (staff name), they said that X had happened. Ms Y (Head Teacher) said that this was not the case”. Keep it as absolutely unemotional as possible in your language.

Naepalz · 31/03/2025 17:58

I'm sorry the meeting was so confrontational for you and the head smirking is disgraceful.

It sounds like you did really well - give yourself a pat on the back.

The school changing it's stance on being aware of this violence is absolutely not on. They simply can't be allowed to back track on this!

I agree with the other person who suggested you try and get some help from a charity that offers advocacy help and could maybe attend future meetings with you.

Also suggested before that you might like to seek help from your local councillor and/or MP though elected politicians can vary enormously in how helpful they are.

I think the school are being defensive because they know you are 100% in the right here. You have rattled them and they are staring to see you as a force to be reckoned with. Keep up the good work you will get there in the end if you keep going!

HopefulBeliever · 31/03/2025 17:58

Please report to Ofstead.

They do not deserve an ‘outstanding’ report if this is what is occurring. Lay the school’s failings on thick. Document, document, document.

WearyAuldWumman · 31/03/2025 17:32

kurotora · 31/03/2025 17:08

DH was with me at the meeting, he supported me with what I was saying and added his input. He does find situations like this really hard but did his best.

I'm glad that you weren't on your own.

MaybeThisTimeILlbeLucky · 31/03/2025 17:30

OP this sounds so awful and frustrating.gasligting you.

I'd be thinking about a council/MP complaint becomes a 4 years old regardless of Leeds shouldn't be blamed for not speaking up too adults who aren't keeping her Safe.

doodleZ1 · 31/03/2025 17:20

“Duty of care” needs to be repeated in any correspondence with them. They have a duty of care to your daughter. Make them aware you know that. Go above them OP as the issue will suddenly become more of a priority to the school.

kurotora · 31/03/2025 17:08

WearyAuldWumman · 31/03/2025 16:25

I'm sorry - I should have thought to say this before: if you have a meeting at school you're entitled to take a supporter with you. If you have to go back in, try to take a family member or friend with you.

The HT can smirk as much as she likes: she's totally in the wrong and it's her job that will be on the line if it's found that she doesn't have proper safeguarding procedures in place.

DH was with me at the meeting, he supported me with what I was saying and added his input. He does find situations like this really hard but did his best.

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kurotora · 31/03/2025 17:06

Needlenardlenoo · 31/03/2025 16:17

You need to move her ASAP. She is not safe at this school.

This is the plan, we’re really hoping that we can get somewhere with the council. I think trust has broken down.

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doodleZ1 · 31/03/2025 16:59

OP I would email the Head now, outlining what has been agreed so it can’t be denied later on and copy in the individual in charge of complaints about that school, eg in my area it would be the Local Council Education Dept. Find out who that is and get their email address. The Head can find that funny. As an ex teacher myself, don’t put up with this. Make them wary of you and what you will do next. The response you’ve been getting is far from professional and it needs to stop.

Offtobuttonmoontovisitmrspoon · 31/03/2025 16:37

She’s 4, just a baby. This is fucking awful.

I wouldn’t be sending her!

WearyAuldWumman · 31/03/2025 16:29

I wonder whether you might be able to get advice here, OP? My cousin's wife was getting nowhere with her son's LA until she contacted a charity. They sent a rep to the follow-up meeting. (In her case, it was the Tourette's society: her son was diagnosed with Asperger's, ADHD and Tourette's.)

www.autism.org.uk/advice-and-guidance/help-and-support

WearyAuldWumman · 31/03/2025 16:25

I'm sorry - I should have thought to say this before: if you have a meeting at school you're entitled to take a supporter with you. If you have to go back in, try to take a family member or friend with you.

The HT can smirk as much as she likes: she's totally in the wrong and it's her job that will be on the line if it's found that she doesn't have proper safeguarding procedures in place.

Needlenardlenoo · 31/03/2025 16:17

You need to move her ASAP. She is not safe at this school.

takealettermsjones · 31/03/2025 16:14

OP, they sound hopeless. I'm glad they're doing something but honestly, is this going to get better? Your DD will be there for seven years. What if some other incident happens way down the line? What if she starts being bullied by more people?

Is there really no way you can pull her out?

kurotora · 31/03/2025 16:07

Update. I’m writing this mainly for myself, so I remember what happened. We had a meeting with the head and class teacher this afternoon.

I prepared well and was glad of it, including writing down applicable sections from the safeguarding policy. The head stared and smirked at my notebook, which was disappointing to start with. Her communication was really quite adversarial and felt quite hostile, where I wanted to avoid an emotionally charged meeting.

There was a lot of denial and deflection, as expected, though I felt I refuted certain points well. This time, they denied ever having seen any violent or aggressive behavior - they had conceded before that there was “some”. I brought up violent behaviour that happened during a school event, and they had to accept that.

A lot of onus was put on DD reporting and speaking up, but I quoted the safeguarding policy that states that SEND children are unable to be expected to communicate incidents of bullying and abuse.

They have proposed an incident book that will come home for a couple of weeks (this week, and the one after the break) before another meeting. They will speak with the boy and tell him he has to stay away from DD (though they say this had been done), we are to tell DD to stay away from him (obviously we have, repeatedly), and a plan will be written up for us to annotate and staff to review. DD will be told she has to stay near a staff member at all times during play. I brought up that I thought this was problematic since she is not the aggressor, but they maintain they haven’t seen any aggression.

I have to confess, I don’t feel confident in this, and felt like the hostile, snappy, charged attitude we got from the head was not warranted and certainly didn’t mirror our approach. The denial was extreme and made us feel like they were calling our child a liar. But obviously, I hope there’s some improvement for DD. Her class teacher was more reasonable and I do think she likes DD, we don’t want any enmity between us and staff, we just want safety for our child.

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GRex · 31/03/2025 09:51

There is no point making a fuss, school have already been clear that they plan to deny incidents. All OP can do is remove her child and escalate complaints once the child is safe.

Hazelmaybe · 31/03/2025 07:48

thequeenoftarts · 22/03/2025 23:27

I would email Ofsted about the schools failure to keep your child safe while she is in their care. Mention the schools responses are poor and they are putting your child in danger. Your child also has a disability and is being victimised and yet again they are failing under the Disability Act to make sure your child is being treated as an equal.
The other child needs someone (SNA )with them all the time if they are violent. Why is his right to education and being safe trumping your daughters right to the same? I would mention gender discrimination, based on the fact he is a boy attacking a girl . I would also inform them that you will sue the school on behalf on your child if measures are not put in place asap to keep the children apart and that your daughter can go about her day without fear of being attacked.

Hit them with everything you can and if necessary go see a solicitor and use the disability act and equal status act as well as gender discrimination - that puts the fear of God into everyone

This! Make a huge fuss. This is totally unacceptable

WildJadeWasp · 31/03/2025 07:40

kurotora · 30/03/2025 18:01

I don’t want to get into detail about the parents but the lad had no hope. They’ve had him decked out in designer tracksuits and big gold chains since he was 2. I’ve seen dad “boxing” with him. But he definitely gravitates to my DD for this aggression, no idea why, but I’ve seen it at parties.

Oh I know what you mean now. Trash breeds the next generation of trash.

hallygore · 31/03/2025 01:35

I would be going to the lado (local area designated officer) at your local authority, submitting any photographs you have. It's clear they are failing to safeguard a very vulnerable young child. Ofsted won't do anything other than pass it onto them.

The names of all governors should be on the school website. Usually there is the head and 1 staff governor and you might get the deputy head as an associate governor but there are other roles within a governing board that staff cannot take on. I would also make a formal written complaint to the chair of governors.

Then finally I would make a subject access request requesting any information the school hold on your daughter (you'll find a template on the IPSEA website). You'll be surprised how often I've had parents I've been supporting discover that things were happening they didn't know about solely from their child's paperwork!

LurkyMcLurkinson · 31/03/2025 01:32

Definitely go in with a record of all your child’s injuries, their comments about the cause of injuries and ideally any pictures you took of the injuries. Go through the record with the school in detail and ask them the following.
What have they done to keep your child safe?
Do they think what they have done has been good enough?
How have they adhered to their own bullying and safeguarding policies?
How do they intend to keep your child safe in the future?
What emotional support are they providing to your child to cope with her experiences of abuse in the school setting?
What is the formal complaint process for the school?

Obelism · 31/03/2025 00:47

I just want to add my sympathy as I was your daughter once, @kurotora. As a barely-five year-old I was physically beaten up at playtimes by two much bigger boys - this was a long time before the current 'Year x' system but they were in their final year, so more than twice my age.

I too was a quiet, painfully shy child who couldn’t/didn't know how to speak out, but I vividly remember crying at morning break times because I knew I’d have to go outside and I knew I’d be hit. I still couldn’t explain to a teacher. Eventually my mother saw the bruises and went straight to the school. Again, it was years before the kind of policies now in place but the headteacher unleashed her considerable wrath on the boys and the violence stopped.

I feel so upset to think about your little girl enduring this, and you and your DH must be beside yourselves. There’s been such good advice on this thread - I hope it helps and that the meeting with the school goes well, but please push it. I can’t believe how casual they’re being about this awful situation.

Soonenough · 31/03/2025 00:07

With those type of injuries I would almost be on the verge of police involvement! I know you can't actually do it as the offender is also a child . Absolutely heartsick for you. Noone seems to be taking this seriously.

BusyMum47 · 31/03/2025 00:01

Realityisreal · 22/03/2025 23:18

Please email the school and governors and tell them that they are failing in their duty of care to your daughter.
List all of the incidents and the action they said they would take but didn't.
Advise then you will be informing Ofsted of things don't stop within a week.
Schools are overstretched, some children require support that they don't get, but your daughter should not be in fear of being attacked every day at school.

This! ⬆️ The school are failing in their duty of care towards your daughter. It's a huge safeguarding issue. Formal complaint, removal & don't let it go; Governors, LA, local press if necessary.

Solocatmum · 30/03/2025 20:30

kurotora · 30/03/2025 18:30

The school claim it was not witnessed. DD says otherwise.

On a previous occasion she came home from school with a black eye and lots of leg and abdominal bruising, and signs of obviously having been crying a lot in the day (all purple under the eyes). She said boy “pushed her over and stepped on her” (I’d take that to mean gave her a kicking, by the bruising). I asked if a teacher saw, she said “yes, they shouted at him a lot”. I was livid - wrote a big email to school, went up and saw them, and they denied they’d seen anything. “Maybe she fell during PE”. I know children are unreliable narrators but I highly, HIGHLY doubt the school on this one.

With all this you can see that our number one option is to just get out of there, and hopefully the council can get us a different school (there’s one locally with places - and a TERRIBLE reputation, which seems like a non-solution).

Edited

I had this too. Loads of bruising. Some incidents where she didn’t tell teacher, but others where she was adamant a teacher/ supervising adult had seen. A teacher that was leaving for maternity leave was helpful and confirmed a couple of incidents but the rest went unrecorded on their systems. Some (poor) schools care more for their own reputation / lack of hassle than the kids, and it’s toxic. Good luck getting her out asap