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Avoiding the childcare trap

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Difficultquestionplz · 22/03/2025 05:06

hi! I know there are a lot of high earners in this group so maybe other mums can help me. I am caught up in the 100k childcare trap.
back in the days when my salary was around the 100k mark, I was able to top up the pension, but that was before my child was born. Now my child has turned 3 and was hoping to finally get a little relief but it looks like it’s not the case…
currently my salary is higher, almost exclusively due to sales commissions and I am going to finish the fiscal at 260k. My husband is livid that he loses on benefits because of my salary and I am actually wondering if there is anything I could do in terms of investments that can be deducted that could bring me below the threshold.
I am not using any financial advisor because honestly when I looked into it they wanted to take 3% management fee just to manage the easy bits (pension, isas) and it obviously compounds.

thank you for helping
(please be kind, I don’t come from money, my job is paying well now but also highly at risk due to performance management or constant layoffs mixed with the joy of nepotism, unconscious bias/ blatant sexism of a male dominated environment)

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Lostcat · 25/03/2025 11:59

sunshine244 · 25/03/2025 09:47

I find it really odd that often those on the highest incomes are often the most unhappy with their finances. I am a single parent working part-time due to having an autistic child. Our household income, even including benefits, is therefore absolutely tiny compared to even one of your salaries. But I'm content with my life anyway, and have become an expert budgeter.

It is sad that you are so unhappy despite being so well off. Perhaps counselling would help you gain some perspective.

❤️

agree OP. You don’t need a financial advisor to help you manipulate the system and claim benefits not intended for your family.

You need some support with perspective taking.

sunshine244 · 25/03/2025 09:47

I find it really odd that often those on the highest incomes are often the most unhappy with their finances. I am a single parent working part-time due to having an autistic child. Our household income, even including benefits, is therefore absolutely tiny compared to even one of your salaries. But I'm content with my life anyway, and have become an expert budgeter.

It is sad that you are so unhappy despite being so well off. Perhaps counselling would help you gain some perspective.

Soontobe60 · 25/03/2025 06:55

Difficultquestionplz · 24/03/2025 20:44

@Soontobe60 you are assuming that I did not pay a price for my maternity leave. You assume that I did not make any sacrifice to be present as a mother and mitigate the losses. Or that my husband‘s career was not negatively impacted by not having his wife stay at home. Or that I was not passed for promotions after married despite it took many years to conceive because they were expecting me to become a mother. Or that I am not a target of microaggressions from random people who tell me to my face that my child must be suffering because in full time nursery…there is obviously worse, I come from worse but why are saying these things???

So your salary has been reduced due to taking maternity leave?
Obviously if you’re working the hours you say you are, then you have ‘sacrificed’ your time as a mother to mitigate any losses. But let’s not be coy here - you have chosen to do so. With your income, it would have been very easy to choose to work fewer hours in order to spend more time with your children. Do you think mothers should be able to work less for more money just because they chose to have a child? Do you think mothers should be able to ‘have it all’? Because I can tell you with absolute certainty - they can’t. Compromises have to be made by every parent. The sooner you accept that the less angry you will be that you can’t have it all.

springintoaction321 · 25/03/2025 06:41

You are VERY fortunate to be in the financial position you are. However, you don't seem to be savvy enough to know how to reduce your disposable income in order to claim a paltry benefit?

This x100 !

And please - microagressions? Whatever

Difficultquestionplz · 24/03/2025 20:44

Soontobe60 · 24/03/2025 09:08

Sorry but how can you compare a traditional patriarchal relationship arrangement to a more modern one where 2 people are equally committed to work and family, it just happens that one is earning more than the other? And that the highER earner is not the man?
…and yet here you are, only paying into the household pot what your husband asks for. It seems like you only bang on about the patriarchy when it suits you. You also bang on about how your workplace is like a jobs for the boys kind of place and yet you’re female and earning 1/4 million a year plus have had the benefit of maternity leave with what appears to be no loss of income on your return to work.
You are VERY fortunate to be in the financial position you are. However, you don't seem to be savvy enough to know how to reduce your disposable income in order to claim a paltry benefit?
Both my DDs earn over the threshold to enable them to claim free childcare hours. Neither of them are complaining that they should get free hours - they knew that wouldn't be the case when they had their children.
Your entitlement is very telling.

@Soontobe60 you are assuming that I did not pay a price for my maternity leave. You assume that I did not make any sacrifice to be present as a mother and mitigate the losses. Or that my husband‘s career was not negatively impacted by not having his wife stay at home. Or that I was not passed for promotions after married despite it took many years to conceive because they were expecting me to become a mother. Or that I am not a target of microaggressions from random people who tell me to my face that my child must be suffering because in full time nursery…there is obviously worse, I come from worse but why are saying these things???

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Difficultquestionplz · 24/03/2025 20:35

Barrenfieldoffucks · 24/03/2025 13:47

Agreed. What patronising takeaway from this conversation.

@Barrenfieldoffucks although provocative, my answer reflects how many comments came across. Many random assumptions on my marriage. Random comments on my attitude or intellect. I happened to challenge 1 or 2 conventional ideas and a policy that makes no sense, it was not my intention when I started the thread.

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Difficultquestionplz · 24/03/2025 20:27

Soontobe60 · 24/03/2025 09:13

Some people work part time because they are disabled, or have disabled children, or elderly parents that need their support, or cannot find childcare that is accessible, or for a myriad other reasons - its interesting that you automatically go for the ‘abusing the system’ trope - which is precisely the question you asked - is anything I could do in terms of investments that can be deducted that could bring me below the threshold

@Soontobe60 the comment was not intended for the people who decide to go part time because they need to care for disabled members of the family. It is a reference to some previous comments

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Lostcat · 24/03/2025 19:48

Riaanna · 24/03/2025 16:28

Working similar hours is largely irrelevant.

🧐

thepariscrimefiles · 24/03/2025 16:46

Riaanna · 24/03/2025 16:31

You’re right. My mistake. He flunked college and found a bag full of gold.

He received gifts, loans and inheritance from his father which is akin to finding a bag full of gold.

Riaanna · 24/03/2025 16:31

thepariscrimefiles · 24/03/2025 16:05

How on earth was that a description of someone who is hard working? The poster referred to him being born into wealth and privilege and being unscrupulous, manipulative and corrupt.

It sounds as though he was lazy at college as he graduated with a bachelor’s degree from Wharton without honors and one of his professors there is reported to have said “Donald Trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had.”

He spends loads of time on the golf course at Mar a Lago. I suppose you will describe him as being a great athlete.

You’re right. My mistake. He flunked college and found a bag full of gold.

Riaanna · 24/03/2025 16:28

Lostcat · 24/03/2025 08:25

Right

Working similar hours is largely irrelevant.

thepariscrimefiles · 24/03/2025 16:05

Riaanna · 24/03/2025 08:13

You’ve literally described someone who is hard working. Just because you don’t like his morals doesn’t alter that.

How on earth was that a description of someone who is hard working? The poster referred to him being born into wealth and privilege and being unscrupulous, manipulative and corrupt.

It sounds as though he was lazy at college as he graduated with a bachelor’s degree from Wharton without honors and one of his professors there is reported to have said “Donald Trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had.”

He spends loads of time on the golf course at Mar a Lago. I suppose you will describe him as being a great athlete.

Barrenfieldoffucks · 24/03/2025 13:47

Riaanna · 24/03/2025 08:14

This makes you look pretty awful.

Agreed. What patronising takeaway from this conversation.

LawrenceSMarlowforPresident · 24/03/2025 13:09

Difficultquestionplz · 24/03/2025 07:43

@LawrenceSMarlowforPresident it was not my first best option, was hoping for the mums to share their wisdom and experience. But it looks like very few get my question, the rest clearly think that the best financial strategy for a woman is to marry someone who is making the big money because once married you are entitled to half of it, “you are a team”.

You what? You have arrived at some very odd conclusions. Your original question was based on an absurd premise. No wonder people responded as they did.

And you're looking for some way to manipulate your finances so that you can take advantage of a benefit you are not in fact entitled to based on your income. That is dishonest at best.

As for advice to "marry someone who is making the big money"? I can't imagine anyone advising that seriously. From a personal perspective, I wouldn't marry anyone for money. In my case, my husband and I both work full time and we share everything in joint accounts. We are academics, so we're never going to make "big money." But that's fine with us.

WhereYouLeftIt · 24/03/2025 12:52

Difficultquestionplz · 22/03/2025 08:48

How much do you think I pay in tax?
why if you pay tax, you get access to support for your family and if I pay multiples, my husband who is financially independent needs to swallow that either he pays substantially more than he should at his salary level or he needs to ask me to cover the difference. Which leaves me in a position where I pay huge taxes (and lose allowances to pension contributions as well), I pay all childcare, I need to compensate my husband for the benefits lost…

"My husband is livid that he loses on benefits because of my salary ..."

Anyone else wondering about this husband who is LIVID his wife earn too much for him to qualify for a sub, whose wife seems to think he will ask her to 'cover the difference' / compensate him for the "benefit lost"?

Just me?

Although it could just be that the whole scenario is AI-generated, I suppose.

FortyTwoDegrees · 24/03/2025 11:45

It's shocking that someone who grew up in poverty is so ungrateful for being wealthy later on, and so entitled in their attitude.

I can understand having so serious questions about what the government is spending the tax money on, but not being annoyed that people with much less might need benefits or childcare.

Soontobe60 · 24/03/2025 09:13

Difficultquestionplz · 24/03/2025 07:48

@ThinWomansBrain i come from poverty so I do know the difference between those in need and those who earn way more than the average, pay limited tax and get the childcare hours. If you allow a household that make 320k to claim, it is not for people in poverty. And I find very hypocritical that no one calls out how selfish it is that some people are working part time and contributing to the pension for a couple of years just to qualify, they are abusing the system yet I get insulted for saying that it should be universal

Some people work part time because they are disabled, or have disabled children, or elderly parents that need their support, or cannot find childcare that is accessible, or for a myriad other reasons - its interesting that you automatically go for the ‘abusing the system’ trope - which is precisely the question you asked - is anything I could do in terms of investments that can be deducted that could bring me below the threshold

Soontobe60 · 24/03/2025 09:08

Sorry but how can you compare a traditional patriarchal relationship arrangement to a more modern one where 2 people are equally committed to work and family, it just happens that one is earning more than the other? And that the highER earner is not the man?
…and yet here you are, only paying into the household pot what your husband asks for. It seems like you only bang on about the patriarchy when it suits you. You also bang on about how your workplace is like a jobs for the boys kind of place and yet you’re female and earning 1/4 million a year plus have had the benefit of maternity leave with what appears to be no loss of income on your return to work.
You are VERY fortunate to be in the financial position you are. However, you don't seem to be savvy enough to know how to reduce your disposable income in order to claim a paltry benefit?
Both my DDs earn over the threshold to enable them to claim free childcare hours. Neither of them are complaining that they should get free hours - they knew that wouldn't be the case when they had their children.
Your entitlement is very telling.

Lostcat · 24/03/2025 08:30

Riaanna · 24/03/2025 08:13

You’ve literally described someone who is hard working. Just because you don’t like his morals doesn’t alter that.

i would ask you how on earth you reached that conclusion but the last thing I want to do is start up another nonsense dialogue with you where you declare black is white etc. .

As noted- Trump is not hard working- he’s known to be very lazy. He’s not wealthier than other people because he works harder than other people , he’s wealthier than other people as a function of privilege. There are poor people all over the world working just as hard and harder than rich people all over the world. Being wealthy is not a function of how hard a person works, life is infinitely more complicated than that.

Sportswatchernotplayer · 24/03/2025 08:28

sunshine244 · 24/03/2025 08:28

So you want to learn tips for hiding / reallocating £160k income just so you can get free childcare??

The average income is £36k. At £260k you earn 7x the average income. Or way more that 10x min wage income. But you think you deserve free childcare??

In effect you are saying that you deserve more money more than people in poverty. As funding you for free childcare would take money from elsewhere.

This.

sunshine244 · 24/03/2025 08:28

So you want to learn tips for hiding / reallocating £160k income just so you can get free childcare??

The average income is £36k. At £260k you earn 7x the average income. Or way more that 10x min wage income. But you think you deserve free childcare??

In effect you are saying that you deserve more money more than people in poverty. As funding you for free childcare would take money from elsewhere.

Lostcat · 24/03/2025 08:25

TickingAlongNicely · 24/03/2025 07:38

There are also many people working similar hours for minimum wage so its not only high earners who are hard working.

Right

Riaanna · 24/03/2025 08:14

Difficultquestionplz · 24/03/2025 07:43

@LawrenceSMarlowforPresident it was not my first best option, was hoping for the mums to share their wisdom and experience. But it looks like very few get my question, the rest clearly think that the best financial strategy for a woman is to marry someone who is making the big money because once married you are entitled to half of it, “you are a team”.

This makes you look pretty awful.

Riaanna · 24/03/2025 08:14

Difficultquestionplz · 24/03/2025 07:48

@ThinWomansBrain i come from poverty so I do know the difference between those in need and those who earn way more than the average, pay limited tax and get the childcare hours. If you allow a household that make 320k to claim, it is not for people in poverty. And I find very hypocritical that no one calls out how selfish it is that some people are working part time and contributing to the pension for a couple of years just to qualify, they are abusing the system yet I get insulted for saying that it should be universal

You don’t qualify for a full state pension if you work a few years part time. In fact you probably wouldn’t qualify for much if anything.

Riaanna · 24/03/2025 08:13

Lostcat · 24/03/2025 05:26

Trump isn’t wealthy because he’s unusually hard working FFS. He’s widely known to be one of the laziest presidents of all time.
(There will be any number of poor people who in the world working 10x harder than Trump).

Trump is wealthy because of a combination of (the main reason) obscene privilege, and to a lesser extent the fact that he is unscrupulous, manipulative and corrupt (eg has used the legal system as a tool) and because for some reason people (who are idiots) are attracted to his enormous ego (shoves his name on everything and has created an image/ brand for himself). This is what the world is like- nothing to do with rewarding the hardworking.

You’ve literally described someone who is hard working. Just because you don’t like his morals doesn’t alter that.