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To think visiting the US is justifiable in these circumstances?

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AnnaQuayInTheUk · 21/03/2025 08:46

Lots of my friends are, like me, very anti Trump and all he stands for. Some of us were having a discussion the other evening about boycotting US products and not visiting the US whilst Trump is in power.

We are planning a visit to the US later this year. It's not yet booked and lots of my friends were trying to persuade me not to go.

However, they are all aware that the reason we are going is to see my Father in Law. He is 93 and, whilst currently in good health, that might not be the case for much longer. We haven't seen him for 3 years. He is almost totally deaf so DH can't have conversations with him over the phone. He doesn't use Facetime or any video calling services so we can't actually see him.

DH is an only child and really wants to see his dad. One of my good friends told me that she thought that, even given the circumstances, we should stand on our principles and not go. Another friend was more sympathetic initially but then said she thought it was hypocritical to criticise Trump and then visit America.

AIBU to think that it's justifiable to go to the USA given the reason?

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cupofgingerbreadtea · 21/03/2025 09:24

Go, but definitely sort out your social media first.

Mydogisamassivetwat · 21/03/2025 09:23

Oh for fucks sake. I’ve got no time for shit like that. Go where you want. If anyone I knew had a problem with it I’d laugh at them.

I couldn’t give a shit about what’s going on in other countries, I’ve got enough problems in my own life.

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 21/03/2025 09:23

Dearymedo · 21/03/2025 09:20

Family situation not a holiday, so I’d say go. However, if I found out FIL was one who voted Trump I’d think again.

Luckily FIL isn't an American citizen so doesn't have a vote! I think if he had, then he might have been tempted in 2016. Luckily his wife is a die hard Democrat but keeps quiet as they are surrounded by MAGA types.

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ExpressCheckout · 21/03/2025 09:21

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 21/03/2025 09:18

It's definitely not a holiday. PIL live in a very small town in a rural area. The only town/city of a decent size is a 2 hour drive away. We have to stay in the only local hotel which is ok but basic without any outside space.

No art galleries, museums etc to spend time in and heavily forested so we can do some walking but no views because there are too many trees. It's really not great.

Yes, and I think that most people on here think it's entirely justifiable for you to visit in your PIL's circumstances. However, your post has also given people (another) opportunity to vent their grief and frustration with what is being done to the USA and its citizens. It's very sad indeed.

Coffeeishot · 21/03/2025 09:21

You are visiting an elderly relative of course you should go and see him . Just make sure you wipe any "anti" references from social media before you apply for your visa

Dearymedo · 21/03/2025 09:20

Family situation not a holiday, so I’d say go. However, if I found out FIL was one who voted Trump I’d think again.

MrsRandallFraser · 21/03/2025 09:19

I think your reasoning is sound and your friends should respect that, family comes before politics.

However from a safety point of view and if you’re as anti-Trump as you say, I wouldn’t be setting foot over there. An ESTA means nothing now, they have the ‘right’ to search your phone and are counting any anti-Trump rhetoric as terrorism and using that to, at best, deny entry and turn you around, at worst, detain you. For me unfortunately family does not come before personal safety. I’m sure there are precautions you can take and urge you to look into what they might be, and of course this madness might have passed by the time you go and they realise the effect it’s having on tourism.

pourmeawine · 21/03/2025 09:19

I would really like to know how many of these people (not people on this thread but just general) boycotting visiting the States were actually, realistically going to go in the next four years anyway! It’s very easy to say you’re not going to go somewhere if you actually had no intention to! I know that’s not everyone but I’m sure it’s a significant percentage.

Horriblevirusagain · 21/03/2025 09:19

Your friends are brain-dead. Same as the leftie woke brigade.

Overtheatlantic · 21/03/2025 09:18

I have every intention of visiting my American family this year despite my enormous misgivings about the current administration. I understand if others feel differently.

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 21/03/2025 09:18

It's definitely not a holiday. PIL live in a very small town in a rural area. The only town/city of a decent size is a 2 hour drive away. We have to stay in the only local hotel which is ok but basic without any outside space.

No art galleries, museums etc to spend time in and heavily forested so we can do some walking but no views because there are too many trees. It's really not great.

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HowDoYouSolveAProblemLikeMyRear · 21/03/2025 09:17

Firstly, family is more important than politics.

Secondly, have none of your friends ever visited China, or Russia, or Dubai, or any of the countless other countries with appalling abuses of human rights? Have they consistently avoided buying anything made in those countries?

Buying Chinese-made products and judging a friend for visiting the USA would be outrageously hypocritical.

But even if they've been perfect in where they've visited and bought products from, visiting a parent should rightly be a very high priority.

SnoozingFox · 21/03/2025 09:17

You don't need to justify your decisions to anyone.

ComtesseDeSpair · 21/03/2025 09:17

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 21/03/2025 09:10

It's not my view. I'm very clear that we should go. But a few of my friends obviously think differently.

The reality is that many people, like your friends, will espouse how they’re making sacrifices like choosing not to go to Disneyworld on holiday next year, not eating at McDonalds, not buying from Amazon, changing their iPhone for a non-US brand when they upgrade in two years’ time. Because all that shit is really easy to do and easy to crow about on your socials.

Nobody is actually, if they found themselves in the situation, going to do the stuff which has an impact on their own lives like refuse to visit a dying parent on principle because they live in the US; or resign from their job on principle because they work for a US company with a pro-Republican CEO; or turn down a huge money promotion because it will require US business travel. Your friends just aren’t in the position you and DH are right now so don’t have to put their principles where their mouths are.

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 21/03/2025 09:15

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 21/03/2025 09:13

That's really interesting. We are British, as is FIL. I think the chances of being detained are small although maybe I should delete the anti Trump memes from my social media before I fly

Yeah I wouldn’t be that confident or sure. I know many who have had a tough time at the border and please remember to do your estas in plenty of time!

Dotjones · 21/03/2025 09:14

I think both sides of the argument are fair. A boycott is pointless if you allow exceptions, yet the circumstances are such that it's reasonable to decide your boycott is ended. The important thing is you realise it's a binary either/or thing, you can't go back to boycotting after folding on it.

But that's fine, that's your choice. It just means you put your family above your ideals and above millions of people you don't know and will never know. That's human nature, there's nothing unusual about it.

GiveMeSpanakopita · 21/03/2025 09:14

I don't think Trump's going to personally seize you at the airport, if that's what you're worried about.

I also think that if I decided not to visit any country the policies of whose government I disagreed with, I wouldn't have gone on some of the best trips I've had over the past decade.

China. South Africa. Poland (love that place). Romania. Hungary. Slovakia. US. Albania. The list goes on....

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 21/03/2025 09:13

pearbottomjeans · 21/03/2025 09:07

Some of us were having a discussion the other evening about boycotting US products

Hope none of these friends are using Apple, Meta, Google, X, Amazon etc then! Guarantee they’re also being hypocrites 😆 enjoy your time with FIL.

No it’s not that black and white. You do what you can to boycott and buy (in my case Canadian) other countries products.

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 21/03/2025 09:13

Chipsahoy · 21/03/2025 09:01

We are British American. And desperate to go. But honestly we won’t be right now, not with them detaining innocent people for a month. Yes my dh and children have American passports and are citizens but doesn’t seem to matter to the us government right now. I don’t think it’s a safe time to travel there right now.

That's really interesting. We are British, as is FIL. I think the chances of being detained are small although maybe I should delete the anti Trump memes from my social media before I fly

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ExpressCheckout · 21/03/2025 09:13

pearbottomjeans · 21/03/2025 09:07

Some of us were having a discussion the other evening about boycotting US products

Hope none of these friends are using Apple, Meta, Google, X, Amazon etc then! Guarantee they’re also being hypocrites 😆 enjoy your time with FIL.

I think that's a bit unfair. Yes, there are plenty of people who say one thing and do another, but in reality many people are concerned about what is happening at the moment and are trying to find a way to respond. You are right in as much as nobody will know or care if you stop using US-based digital services, but if in-person goods and services to the US begin to suffer due to boycotts - as is happening with Canada/US trade - then a clear message is being sent.

ImAChangeling · 21/03/2025 09:12

With your circumstances I would go. It’s not a holiday, it’s a family visit.

AnnaQuayInTheUk · 21/03/2025 09:10

curious79 · 21/03/2025 09:03

Go and see your 93 yr old FIL, or let your DH go on his own with your kids while you stay back. FIL could die at any time. imagine the resentment your partner will feel for you if your views on one man prevent him having that reunion. c49% of Americans didn't vote for Trump.

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It's not my view. I'm very clear that we should go. But a few of my friends obviously think differently.

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pearbottomjeans · 21/03/2025 09:07

Some of us were having a discussion the other evening about boycotting US products

Hope none of these friends are using Apple, Meta, Google, X, Amazon etc then! Guarantee they’re also being hypocrites 😆 enjoy your time with FIL.

ExpressCheckout · 21/03/2025 09:06

Obviously go, if only because it's a family issue.

For anything else, no - whilst I'm sure some folks will think I'm virtue signalling 😂I do think that if you do have a choice you should take your money elsewhere at the moment. I feel sad in saying this as many US citizens are disgusted with what's happening too, but the fact remains that the USA can no longer be trusted.

LittleRedRidingHoody · 21/03/2025 09:05

Of course you should go! I won’t be travelling for leisure there for a while but I’ll definitely still be going for work trips (and won’t think twice about it) - just make sure you’re following the news in case things somehow get worse/more dangerous for travellers.