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Feel this country has become rotten - benefits

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She11y · 20/03/2025 23:13

A studio apartment in my area is about £800 per month.
A minim wage job is around £1500 per month net.
After you've worked in a hard and demanding job - most minimum wage jobs are demanding - you've got £700 to pay for food, travel, bills, clothes.
You might end up with £100 left over each month. Working hard all your life with no hope of owning your own home or having any sort of financial stability.
No wonder people don't want to work. Make owninf a house affordable and over night 1/3 the people claiming benefits will stop.

My point is that a lot of people are on benefits because they're depressed at the hopelessness of their futures, and try to avoid working.

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EasternStandard · 21/03/2025 14:48

@frillygillymillythe post with your first emoji and who on Earth thinks that in response

EasternStandard · 21/03/2025 14:47

FreedomandPeace · 21/03/2025 14:44

Read the stats,
PLEASE !
🤯……………..an imoji for you
done!

Ha I hear you

frillygillymilly · 21/03/2025 14:46

You have also said you don’t expect the population to keep going up.

I don't recall saying that?

Why do you think the government will stop immigration @EasternStandard?

EasternStandard · 21/03/2025 14:46

frillygillymilly · 21/03/2025 14:43

Again what I believe that governments will do isn't a reflection of what I think they should do or something I agree with. What has happened to comprehension 😭. Reminds me when I got lambasted on a thread for saying I thought Trump might win. Me thinking he had a chance of winning doesn't mean I'm a fan.

You are really muddled with strong statements.

On one hand immigration is here to stay - your view.

And who on Earth thinks population will keep going up also in your posts.

I’m amazed you can’t see the flaw in your own posts.

And you haven’t answered what you actually think will happen to population over time, due to that contradictory posting. Emojis don’t explain it either.

WeylandYutani · 21/03/2025 14:45

FreedomandPeace · 21/03/2025 12:26

Absolutely agree!
plus the overal benefits as calculated should include housing, reduction in ctax, free prescriptions etc whatever comes free or reduced. It should never be more to be on benefits and should be significantly less
If that’s what Labour want
to
Make Work Pay
^^

Edited

Not everyone on benefits gets housing, the amount people get varies by area. Some areas vary in what someone on benefits has to pay in council tax. If I had to pay for my prescriptions then it would be over £40 per week. I am only allowed to pick them up weekly. Some people need more meds and some less. That is not really a benefit as anyone can pay the £10 prepayment certificate and just pay that monthly. Some people pay no prescriptions charges because they have a certain health condition.

FreedomandPeace · 21/03/2025 14:44

frillygillymilly · 21/03/2025 14:36

@FreedomandPeace but people living longer has increased the UK population. 😆

Read the stats,
PLEASE !
🤯……………..an imoji for you
done!

frillygillymilly · 21/03/2025 14:43

Again what I believe that governments will do isn't a reflection of what I think they should do or something I agree with. What has happened to comprehension 😭. Reminds me when I got lambasted on a thread for saying I thought Trump might win. Me thinking he had a chance of winning doesn't mean I'm a fan.

EasternStandard · 21/03/2025 14:42

frillygillymilly · 21/03/2025 14:41

@EasternStandard I haven't said anything conflicting. What I have said is that I do not believe any government will do anything about immigration because we have an ageing population. I'm genuinely baffled as to why this is hard to understand or controversial?

You have also said you don’t expect the population to keep going up.

If you believe the gov will keep pushing immigration what stops the population from going up?

frillygillymilly · 21/03/2025 14:41

@EasternStandard I haven't said anything conflicting. What I have said is that I do not believe any government will do anything about immigration because we have an ageing population. I'm genuinely baffled as to why this is hard to understand or controversial?

Secretmeetings · 21/03/2025 14:39

User32459 · 21/03/2025 14:34

Society will have collapsed by then probably, but infinity immigration from hostile cultures is only accelerating the decline, not slowing it.

Edited

Agree.

The collapse of society is a horrifying thought. What will happen? Civil war, extreme poverty and mass homelessness, violence and crime.

WeylandYutani · 21/03/2025 14:38

LilacPeer · 21/03/2025 14:02

Or, we could try and get back to a time when a minimum wage job allowed a family to survive. Not every person can be employed in highly paid roles. Or we would have no one doing the unskilled jobs that are still vital for the running of the country

When I worked I was on NMW and lived alone in a one bed flat. No benefit top ups. I even managed to save a little each month.
That is impossible now.
My job was vital and I enjoyed it.

Stonefromthehenge · 21/03/2025 14:37

The problem isn't that people don't want to work but that society doesn't work for people. The vast majority of disabled people are perfectly capable of working in some capacity - we'd all benefit from it.

Our needs aren't special needs, they're human needs that we're not able to suppress in order to be worked like machines. That's what employers want and we don't fit the mould. Who's to blame and who's really benefitting?

EasternStandard · 21/03/2025 14:37

frillygillymilly · 21/03/2025 14:35

Immigration isn't going anywhere regardless of my personal feelings about it. Why do you think it will stop @EasternStandard?

But that population won’t just keep going up either.

I don't know what the above means.

So what are you proposing?

I haven't proposed anything, why do I have to propose something? Financially we are fucked because the government hasn't planned for the ageing population, we already have more over 65 yr olds than under 15 yr olds so I think we will see immigration. What are you proposing @EasternStandard?

You appear to be saying conflicting statements that immigration will be required but the population won’t keep going up.

What is it that you think will happen? Will population keep increasing due to immigration or not?

frillygillymilly · 21/03/2025 14:36

@FreedomandPeace but people living longer has increased the UK population. 😆

frillygillymilly · 21/03/2025 14:35

Immigration isn't going anywhere regardless of my personal feelings about it. Why do you think it will stop @EasternStandard?

But that population won’t just keep going up either.

I don't know what the above means.

So what are you proposing?

I haven't proposed anything, why do I have to propose something? Financially we are fucked because the government hasn't planned for the ageing population, we already have more over 65 yr olds than under 15 yr olds so I think we will see immigration. What are you proposing @EasternStandard?

User32459 · 21/03/2025 14:34

Secretmeetings · 21/03/2025 14:25

In 50 years time who will be paying for everyones pensions? Housing?

Unless something is done drastically now, society will have collapsed long before then.

Society will have collapsed by then probably, but infinity immigration from hostile cultures is only accelerating the decline, not slowing it.

FreedomandPeace · 21/03/2025 14:33

frillygillymilly · 21/03/2025 14:29

But as I'm keep saying a birth and a death doesn't mean a population is stable or not ageing. I don't understand why you think it has any relevance?

My comments are relevant because they refer correctly back to your original post on this subject that I commented on.

Feel this country has become rotten - benefits
Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 21/03/2025 14:33

@She11y , do house shares exist in your area? I know quite a few professional young people who house shared when they were starting out because it was all they could afford. It’s obviously not an economical use of resources to live alone. People really should not expect to have everything they want straight away, I do think that the mentality of people who do is a great part of their problem. What is needed is hard work and ambition and with those two things a person won’t be earning minimum wage forever.
Enough with constantly telling yourself how hard done by you are and convincing yourself that you are at the mercy of circumstances you can’t change because you absolutely do have that power. Short of money? Get another job part time, yes you’ll be tired like so many more before you who wanted to get on in life. Need further training? Do it, find the time, find the money. It can be done and some will do it and in a few years they’ll have a more comfortable life, you can too if you only stop bleating and start working towards it.

EasternStandard · 21/03/2025 14:30

@frillygillymillyyou’ve said immigration isn’t going anywhere, and quoted 30 year stats.

But that population won’t just keep going up either.

So what are you proposing?

frillygillymilly · 21/03/2025 14:29

But as I'm keep saying a birth and a death doesn't mean a population is stable or not ageing. I don't understand why you think it has any relevance?

FreedomandPeace · 21/03/2025 14:27

frillygillymilly · 21/03/2025 14:24

Equal is births = deaths

But what are you claiming is equal? 1 person dying and a baby being born doesn't mean the population isn't ageing & is equal.

I’m saying the same number die as are born
Thats equal

I think I’ve shown clearly by the official ons stats that I have posted that population increase has nothing to do with births and deaths. They equal out.

Theres no point arguing that that isn’t the case
Proof matters.

Secretmeetings · 21/03/2025 14:25

User32459 · 21/03/2025 14:20

A lot of immigrants don't work anyway. Huge amount rely on benefits and many that do work have cash only businesses or work cash in hand so don't pay tax anyway. It's a massive swindle.

AI will only get bigger.

In 50 years time who will be paying for everyones pensions? Housing?

Unless something is done drastically now, society will have collapsed long before then.

frillygillymilly · 21/03/2025 14:24

Equal is births = deaths

But what are you claiming is equal? 1 person dying and a baby being born doesn't mean the population isn't ageing & is equal.

LilacPeer · 21/03/2025 14:23

User32459 · 21/03/2025 14:20

A lot of immigrants don't work anyway. Huge amount rely on benefits and many that do work have cash only businesses or work cash in hand so don't pay tax anyway. It's a massive swindle.

AI will only get bigger.

These are the employment rates for UK, EU and Non EU/UK nationals, living in the UK:

74.7% UK
80.8% EU
74.2% Non EU

FreedomandPeace · 21/03/2025 14:22

BoredZelda · 21/03/2025 14:08

We focus too much on those receiving benefits and not those benefiting from it. Companies making massive profits, whilst their low wage workers receive benefits in order to be able to afford to live. Let’s raise the minimum wage to a living wage. Businesses will whine but they will adjust.

16 billion paid last year in housing benefits because there isn’t enough social or affordable housing. That’s 16b going in to the pockets of private landlords who are making profits off their investment in property. Building more social housing and raising the number of affordable homes these companies provide would reduce that bill.

Disability benefits are increasing because the NHS is underfunded. People are unable to work because they are unwell. Poor health for the elderly means more people need social care. Making the NHS a fit for purpose organisation, able to meet the needs of society, focussing on prevention rather than cure.

Pensions are the largest part of the welfare bill and it’s getting bigger. Reduce the state pension, making it mandatory for people to save their own pensions, which they should be able to do if they are paid properly.

The reason the welfare bill is so high is because of politics. Pure and simple. It isn’t because of lazy people or scroungers, it is because the benefits system, the NHS, business taxation is not targeted for how it will help the nation, it is targeted for how it helps a party’s political capital.

The reason governments won’t fix all of the above is it would take a massive injection of capital. We are too focussed as an electorate on reducing the national debt in the short term and governments can be won and lost on it. If a government was bold and invested in our nation, it would give a long term benefit to everyone.

Re
your housing comment
I absolutely agree
We must build more affordable property

A lot of our big developers get planning on the back of a standard % quota of affordable housing. They start building and then put in a planning change for less affordable housing. The reason?…their projected profit does not meet the current profit allowed.
So they get away with providing none or very few
Other things they get away with because of their spurious claims on profit reduction have been ( in my experience)

  • no money for upgrading roads and infrastructure
  • no money for environmental impact
  • nothing for schools
  • nothing for gps / nhs provision

If we lowered or removed the profitability clause local areas would get exactly what was agreed on the original planning approval and we’d be building a more sustainable future.

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