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To think it's very depressing that school children need to learn this

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Eastie77Returns · 20/03/2025 15:04

DD's school is producing a video showing children what to do in the event there is an intruder in the school and they need to go into 'lockdown'. I found out as she has been asked to take part in the video production.She is in Y7.

DS is in Y4 and he told me they did a practice drill at his primary school where they followed the steps they needed to take in a similar situation.

Honestly it makes me feel very sad. I understand in the current climate it's necessary and in countries like the US it's standard but I never thought I'd see something like this here.

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HappySheldon · 20/03/2025 18:41

re Dunblane. I am Australian and my dad was a headteacher in Melbourne. When Dunblane happened- it was such an earthquake level event. Such shock. Such grief. I remember my dad watching the news and shaking and then collapsing to the ground at the sheer horror of it. And we were on the other side of the world. Then only a few weeks later the Port Arthur massacre.

Awful things happen. We can't think we are in this lovely little bubble where it only happens to other people. Southport shows us that surely.

Tiswa · 20/03/2025 18:36

Guidance has been to do it since 2017 so not new new

Floogal · 20/03/2025 18:35

TellReign · 20/03/2025 18:29

We live in a cruel world. Look at the horrendous Dunblame school shooting in 1996. Absolutely Heartbreaking.

It’s positive that schools now mitigate and take measures. It’s still extremely unlikely to happen and such terror attacks haven’t happened in UK schools since Dunblane thankfully.

Yes that was horrific. Then followed by the man who attacked a nursery with a machete a few months later.

Donotgogentle · 20/03/2025 18:34

FofB · 20/03/2025 17:30

It's not always for the reason you think though- my daughter had to be locked into the school as there was an agitated cow charging around the school field- they needed the kids inside and quickly.

They had already practiced it and all children were removed to safety very quickly.

Makes a change from the stray dog threat scenario!

Wrongsideofpennines · 20/03/2025 18:32

There has been a series of malicious calls to lots of schools the past few weeks near me. Thankfully not my child's school but I know of multiple that have had to go into lockdown because of it.
For several of the primary schools the children seemingly didn't notice it as the teachers were so good at not panicking. Obviously at secondary they are more aware that what they are doing is unusual.

Their lockdown didn't involve cowering under desks, just moving everyone to elsewhere in the school.

Whatafustercluck · 20/03/2025 18:30

MargueriteInBloom · 20/03/2025 16:15

Can someone explain to me why it’s a necessity?!?

Nicholas Procter planned to murder 34 children and two teachers at his former primary school in Luton last year, after he'd killed his mother, brother and sister. I'd say it's fairly self evident why drills are necessary.

Donotgogentle · 20/03/2025 18:30

witwatwoo · 20/03/2025 18:26

The wild dog one is the lockdown drill

I know, was being ironic!

DS genuinely didn’t realise what the lockdown drill was really for.

Amberlynnswashcloth · 20/03/2025 18:30

witwatwoo · 20/03/2025 18:26

The wild dog one is the lockdown drill

I really hope they don't use this particular euphemism at my DCs school. He's already afraid of dogs and the suggestion that they might have a killer dog attack at school would be terrifying.

TellReign · 20/03/2025 18:29

We live in a cruel world. Look at the horrendous Dunblame school shooting in 1996. Absolutely Heartbreaking.

It’s positive that schools now mitigate and take measures. It’s still extremely unlikely to happen and such terror attacks haven’t happened in UK schools since Dunblane thankfully.

witwatwoo · 20/03/2025 18:26

Donotgogentle · 20/03/2025 18:24

DS’s school definitely doesn’t do lockdown drills.

Just fire drills and practises of what to do if a wild dog gets into the school.

The wild dog one is the lockdown drill

Donotgogentle · 20/03/2025 18:24

DS’s school definitely doesn’t do lockdown drills.

Just fire drills and practises of what to do if a wild dog gets into the school.

MsNevermore · 20/03/2025 18:22

Depressing but necessary unfortunately.

I live in the US (temporarily thank god!) and active shooter drills are common place in my kids’ school - they are primary school age.

As much as it’s commonplace, doesn’t mean it’s any easier to digest. My heart fell out of my arse when my 8 year old DS told me he has his own “special hiding place” under his coat and backpack.
Any items of clothing that light up or make noise - like the flashing trainers we all loved as kids - are banned from school because they give away your location in the event of an active shooter 😔
It makes me feel sick. But at the same time, it’s necessary.
If the government won’t do more to protect our children from lunatics, then they need to know how to keep themselves safe if the situation did arise.

Swiftie1878 · 20/03/2025 18:20

BonnieBug · 20/03/2025 16:38

You're missing the point. On purpose I suspect.

There is no other point.
The world is terrible, yes. Schools are keeping kids safe - excellent.

Swiftie1878 · 20/03/2025 18:18

Eastie77Returns · 20/03/2025 15:28

It hasn’t been standard for decades, or at least not where I grew up (London). Didn’t happen at my school or any of my ones my friends attended.

I also have several friends with kids who are now late teens/early 20s and they have no recollection of it happening where their children were at school.

Then their kids just didn’t tell them.
At primary it is described as ‘if an animal gets into school etc’.

Of course it’s sad that the world is not perfectly safe, but I’m grateful schools do this.
Different mindset.

hotpotlover · 20/03/2025 18:15

This hits close to home.

I'm from Germany and in 2009 I visited a friend who received mental health treatment in a hospital. On that day a horrible school shooting happened only a few hundred metres away from the hospital and the whole town, including the hospital, went into lockdown for several hours.

Many children, teachers and pedestrians that were unlucky to come across the shooter as he was fleeing lost their life on this day:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting

I still am traumatised to this day by what happened.

It's very rare for this to happen, but I was, although indirectly, affected by it.

I think it's good that schools do drills in case there is an intruder. It's best to be prepared.

Winnenden school shooting - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnenden_school_shooting

SadCarpetMess · 20/03/2025 18:13

It's probably already been said but we used to have tons of bomb scares at school in the late 60s? /early 70s. As a kid you kind of just get on with it after the first couple.

Floogal · 20/03/2025 18:09

When I was a kid, I went to British forces schools in Germany. We had school security procedures and anti terrorism policies. Indeed, a kid lost their bag and when it got found it got destroyed by the bomb disposal squad (in case someone dodgy put a bomb in it).

viques · 20/03/2025 18:05

Eastie77Returns · 20/03/2025 15:31

I’m not saying it’s not a useful exercise.

I’m saying it’s sad children have to learn how to do it. It’s not something I would want my 8 year old to practice in an ideal world but I understand it’s necessary.

Think of it like a fire drill. All schools do these, but very few have to evacuate due to a real fire.

starlilly88 · 20/03/2025 17:59

Lived near Broadmoor when I was young - had drills at school, lived in fear of the siren going off. Not sure if it still goes off at 10am on a Monday morning.
My kids have lockdown drills at school, doesn’t seem to bother them. Unfortunately guns are increasingly easy to get hold of in the UK

katepilar · 20/03/2025 17:57

Yes, I agree its disturbing we need to to this. I feel that something is seriously wrong with our society.
( I think G. Neufeld, the psychologist, has explained why)

Mnetcurious · 20/03/2025 17:55

Errors · 20/03/2025 16:50

Another one here who’s DC have had this at their school. Not that I heard of it from either my DC or the school, it was one of the other mums.
I asked DC about it and they didn’t seem remotely bothered. Makes me wonder how much of the ‘procedure’ they even took notice of, tbh

Exactly, I reckon plenty of people saying “my child’s school don’t do it” are just oblivious, and it is actually happening. Often kids don’t think anything of it so don’t mention at home, and the school doesn’t communicate it to parents, either.

APATEKPHILLIPEWATCH · 20/03/2025 17:55

Jewish schools have US-style gunman practices all the time.

Other schools don’t expect gunman but it’s good to have kids prepared for incidents as a learning point anyway and are more likely to have an angry dad etc

Misterschmister · 20/03/2025 17:52

My DC was locked down last year (year 7). Unfortunately, she witnessed the intruders. When she said they had to make themselves into a little ball under their desks, I really felt for her. She said she felt cold and she was shivering (I think she was nervous) and the intruders had balaclavas on. They were arrested.
Its can be a horrible world.

Amberlynnswashcloth · 20/03/2025 17:44

Snorlaxo · 20/03/2025 15:11

One school a month in England has an intruder (usually an angry parent )

My kids schools were doing this 10 years ago so better late than never. They are told it’s because of reasons like chemical spills, swarm of bees, dog in the loose, escaped prisoner (there’s a prison 3 miles away), escaped animal from the zoo… but by secondary school the kids were calling them school shooter drills because kids know of these from US news.

How often are UK schools evacuated due to a swarm of bees or escaped zoo animal? It needs to be proportionate in order not to frighten the children - there's enough school anxiety as it is. Teaching them how to respond to the fire alarm and some basic first aid is a good idea and applicable to situations outside of school.

witwatwoo · 20/03/2025 17:43

Doobeedoobeedoobee · 20/03/2025 17:20

I’m not convinced that doing this is proportionate to the risk - given how unlikely some of these scenarios are and some of the controls already in place. I’m also not convinced that the range of scenarios you’d be prepping kids for - according to this thread anything from active shooter to nuclear disaster to loose animals would be dealt with in the same way. An angry parent has to be significantly more likely than an active shooter but the response wouldn’t actually be the same would it?

You’re weighing up damaging children’s MH and frankly, influencing their perception of what is likely in favour of protecting them in an extremely unlikely
scenario. I’m not sure id support it when my children go to school.

I’m in Southport, we didn’t think anything would happen here until it did