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To think all schools should ban the use of smartphones entirely during school day?

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90sseemedsomucheasier · 20/03/2025 12:52

I would welcome a ban on smartphones in my child’s secondary school.

At present, in my child’s school they are allowed to take them in, but the rule is that they are to be kept at in their bags and not be seen at all. I think they get a couple of behaviour points if seen, and if seen for a third time then it is confiscated.

I know that, had smartphones existed when I was in school, I would have been a master a checking it without getting caught. I would have been on social media, messaging my friends, secretly listening to music with one AirPod under my hair, looking up answers to questions I didn’t know. I’d have never got in trouble because I would have been stealth like in my use of it. But it would have distracted me, it would have called out to me all day. I’d be waiting for my next check of it and thinking about it. I would therefore not have worked as hard, or chatted to friends as much. It would have fed me a horrible narrative about what I should look like, what my life should be like, how everyone appeared better than me and I’d be full of anxiety and not feel good enough.

This is what is happening to our children today. They don’t have the strength to stay away from them - they may not be seen doing it but they are constantly on them. Even the best behaved kids.

Even if teachers do notice a child having a quick look at their phone, they’ve got so much other stuff to do with the demands of their job - are they going to challenge the child and make more work for themselves or are they going to pretend they haven’t seen it.

Children take secret photos and videos and send them to one another to ridicule and bully. Inappropriate contest is airdropped and shared via WhatsApp groups.

As a parent, I am on it with internet safety (as is dh). We use parental control tools and my year 7 child is not allowed social media,free access to the internet and we monitor their use of their phone each evening. There are screen time limits and phone switches of at 7pm and is not allowed in bedroom.

I often feel like we are going against the grain in doing this. I feel alone and like other parents don’t see the issue with handing our children a device where they can access ANYTHING and absolutely will access anything because they are naturally curious. Curiosity is normal, but the level of information, the horrors, the ideologies and the algorithms that form as a result are not. They are extremely damaging.

I know, when I look online (I know, the irony) that there are other parents that feel the same way. But it is hard in real life. When you’re child goes to secondary school and makes new friends who went to a different primary you have no idea what their parents, and their parenting choices, are like.

Whilst I know my child is safe online in my home, I don’t know when I send them out to school. They can be exposed to all sorts of horrors / porn / ideologies because other parents send their child to school with unrestricted smartphones, whether that is because they don’t understand the dangers, or simply do not care.

do any other parents agree with me that schools should be made to ban smartphones entirely? And by ban I mean asking students to hand them in - either a locker or a faraday pouch on arrival. I get that they are a part of life and needed for safety on journey to and from school (although I would argue that for many they don’t actually even need it for that!). But during school hours they simply do not need them and should not have access to them.

This has been rolled out in some schools already and the benefits are already being seen. I would welcome it in a heartbeat if my child’s school did this!!

What do you think? Would really love to hear people’s opinions -

YABU - children should be allowed access to their phones throughout the school day

YANBU - all schools should ban smartphone access on school sites entirely by asking students to leave them at home, place them in a phone locker or in a faraday pouch

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 15/04/2025 14:54

noblegiraffe · 10/04/2025 10:04

I just searched on twitter to see what is being said about the pouches because I remember one head posting that they did them for a year and then abandoned them as more trouble than they were worth and came across this crowd funder for a school to buy the pouches.

https://t.co/g6uiZSwXNT
£15,000 for those pouches? And there'll be an ongoing cost too when they break/get lost/need replacing.

But yeah, that shows that schools can't afford them if they're trying gofundme.

Hell's Bells, that's expensive.

£25 each/£600 per form of 30.

It's £40 for a 36 slot lockable box (easier to carry, keep secure and around half the price of a double depth Gratnells with lid).

Tiswa · 15/04/2025 11:38

tallcurvey · 15/04/2025 07:06

@90sseemedsomucheasier

of course the answer to this is yes.
also no social media for under 18.

anyone who disagrees really does not get the harm
it more than outweighs the benefits now .

I disagree - knowing the harm can also come with an understanding that outright bans on things don’t actually work effectively either and you are just putting it into the area of a black market and unregulated use rather than controlled usage

Pickledpoppetpickle · 15/04/2025 11:01

twattydogshavetwattypeople · 08/04/2025 11:37

Surely it's possible to have a cheap smartphone for things like tickets and insulin monitors, but with parental controls so that no other functions can be installed?

Not quite that simple re: insulin. They need a phone that the apps will work on and the need constant internet access to work. Those on the dash/5 for insulin delivery have a separate device which looks like a phone anyway, it can’t do what phones do but they are absolutely essential and need to be within easy access (with the child, not locked away).

tallcurvey · 15/04/2025 07:06

@90sseemedsomucheasier

of course the answer to this is yes.
also no social media for under 18.

anyone who disagrees really does not get the harm
it more than outweighs the benefits now .

Tiswa · 10/04/2025 10:05

JassyRadlett · 10/04/2025 09:42

I'm sure it is. Im simply relating that for our comp (and for others I'm aware of who have gone down a similar path), it wasn't impossible at the start of this school year. Others I know of locally have gone down the handed in and locked away path that our school trialled last year.

If seems pretty clear that locked away/inaccessible delivers benefits that off and out of sight doesn't.

But it looks like parents paid for the pouch is that right? That the cost was shared between the school and the parents. Around here there are trials for an app which does something similar.

The problem remains as always with education, most solutions need 2 major things money and parental buy in. Which the wealthier areas and schools get

thosr that probably need it the most get neither

noblegiraffe · 10/04/2025 10:04

I just searched on twitter to see what is being said about the pouches because I remember one head posting that they did them for a year and then abandoned them as more trouble than they were worth and came across this crowd funder for a school to buy the pouches.

https://t.co/g6uiZSwXNT
£15,000 for those pouches? And there'll be an ongoing cost too when they break/get lost/need replacing.

But yeah, that shows that schools can't afford them if they're trying gofundme.

JassyRadlett · 10/04/2025 09:42

noblegiraffe · 10/04/2025 09:13

Anything that costs is a bit of a non-starter, tbh. School funding is looking absolutely dire for September.

I'm sure it is. Im simply relating that for our comp (and for others I'm aware of who have gone down a similar path), it wasn't impossible at the start of this school year. Others I know of locally have gone down the handed in and locked away path that our school trialled last year.

If seems pretty clear that locked away/inaccessible delivers benefits that off and out of sight doesn't.

Sassybooklover · 10/04/2025 09:29

My son's secondary school allow phones into school, but they must remain switched off during the school day, and aren't allowed to be used. If a student is caught using their phone it's taken away, until the end of the day, an automatic detention and parents informed. My son's junior school only allowed phones into school for Years 5 and 6. They were handed to their teacher at the start of the day, placed in a box, locked away and handed back out at home time. My son is Year 9, and simply doesn't bother taking his into school. Not something I enforced but a conclusion he came to, from the start in Year 7. The other week, he forgot his front door key, and went to his Tutor, who allowed him to call home from the PE department phone (his Tutor is a PE teacher).

noblegiraffe · 10/04/2025 09:13

JassyRadlett · 10/04/2025 00:40

Our comp switched from "off and out of sight" to a trial of "handed in to form teachers and kept in locked cases in the office" for Y7 and Y8 to Yondr pouches for all. Financial assistance for the first pouch for families who can't afford the cost.

The teachers I've spoken to + the official comms about it say the difference between off and out of sight and having them locked away in the pouches is huge. So many kids are addicted and the availability of the phone is a huge distraction even if the policy is there not to look at it. Overall behaviour has improved, they say concentration and engagement is also better, more kids are attending clubs and other extra curricular stuff.

Schools need to find the system that works best for their circumstances but I do think all kids benefit from phones being inaccessible during the school day (with exceptions for medical necessity) and it would be a vanishingly rare school that couldn't find a way to enable this that works for their circumstances.

Anything that costs is a bit of a non-starter, tbh. School funding is looking absolutely dire for September.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 10/04/2025 09:03

I saw an article today that says over 90% of schools already do ban smartphone use. Only 8% actually take the phones away from the students for the school day though.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 10/04/2025 09:00

What’s being over 6ft got to do with it? Do we not have rules in life once we get over 6ft?

What it's got to do with it is that large, adult-sized young men quite often don't feel they should be told what to do by women. Nobody's saying that's a good thing.

Candyflosslatte · 10/04/2025 08:48

I think you can still get the separate cgm receivers for dexcom and libre? That may be a compromise for t1 diabetics if there was a total ban on smartphones as it would maintain the level of care (would be unfair to make them revert to traditional testing)

JassyRadlett · 10/04/2025 00:40

noblegiraffe · 09/04/2025 12:05

The fact that the parents pay for the pouch means the system isn't suitable for state though.

Our comp switched from "off and out of sight" to a trial of "handed in to form teachers and kept in locked cases in the office" for Y7 and Y8 to Yondr pouches for all. Financial assistance for the first pouch for families who can't afford the cost.

The teachers I've spoken to + the official comms about it say the difference between off and out of sight and having them locked away in the pouches is huge. So many kids are addicted and the availability of the phone is a huge distraction even if the policy is there not to look at it. Overall behaviour has improved, they say concentration and engagement is also better, more kids are attending clubs and other extra curricular stuff.

Schools need to find the system that works best for their circumstances but I do think all kids benefit from phones being inaccessible during the school day (with exceptions for medical necessity) and it would be a vanishingly rare school that couldn't find a way to enable this that works for their circumstances.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/04/2025 16:25

GasPanic · 09/04/2025 11:29

There ought to be some sort of signal schools can put out and phones can pick up that blanks phones from all calls and activity during lessons. Then the school could turn off the signal for 2 minutes at the end and beginning of each lesson and during break time for the kids to check phones for messages/timetables etc.

Trouble is that would affect a kid in the class with CGM - or me in the next room relying upon my phone to run my hearing aid.

It's far easier (and cheaper/safer/actually practical) to have lockable boxes per form and they're collected 30 at a time during registration - box then gets deposited in a room behind reception and any early leavers collect their phone as they go, those who had medical appointments have their phones added to their form box and lates have their phones in a separate box that is taken to the late detention that afternoon - which also means they are more likely to attend it without issue.

Yes, the boxes require purchasing, it needed changes in routine, but with the reduction in phone related incidents, it's been a massive saver in time, money (as in working hours spent dealing with phones in school) and workload (in not having to deal with 1250 phones in school).

hadtonamechangeobviously · 09/04/2025 15:41

In terms of banning phones from the school site, that's something in addition to phones not being allowed to be used/seen. That's where the logistical issues come in, and there needs to be quite a bit of persuasion that it is actually worth the cost/effort

My DCs use their smart phones for train times and switch routes home depending on cancellations etc, which has meant going to a different station. They always check train times before leaving for/from school.

noblegiraffe · 09/04/2025 13:34

90sseemedsomucheasier · 09/04/2025 13:10

I’m a teacher too. I’ve never met one before that thinks smartphones shouldn’t be banned due to easily surmountable logistics being a barrier. They would prefer to make it work because they feel that the benefits to the developing brains and the overall safety of the children they work with is worth it.

Smartphones are almost universally banned in schools. As in they are not allowed to be used and will be confiscated if seen. Of course teachers are in favour of kids not using phones in schools.

In terms of banning phones from the school site, that's something in addition to phones not being allowed to be used/seen. That's where the logistical issues come in, and there needs to be quite a bit of persuasion that it is actually worth the cost/effort.

90sseemedsomucheasier · 09/04/2025 13:10

noblegiraffe · 09/04/2025 12:48

There's no room for a lockable phone cupboard in my classroom and I am often not there at the end of the day because I am part time.

I'm just pointing out that it is not logistically as easy as some are trying to make out.

I’m a teacher too. I’ve never met one before that thinks smartphones shouldn’t be banned due to easily surmountable logistics being a barrier. They would prefer to make it work because they feel that the benefits to the developing brains and the overall safety of the children they work with is worth it.

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90sseemedsomucheasier · 09/04/2025 13:05

PassingStranger · 09/04/2025 12:09

We managed to go to and from school without any phones before they came along.

Yes I completely agree that children can get away without one. You’ll see in my many other posts. However, not the technology is there and phone booths etc have been removed I recognise that it makes sense for children to have a PHONE so that they can contact an adult if they need to. A smartphone is a different matter. But you’ll see on this thread, that I am all for children developing skills without phones.

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Ddakji · 09/04/2025 12:57

noblegiraffe · 09/04/2025 12:47

That's talking about future phone purchases. If the child already has the phone (and you are assuming that they have been bought a new phone rather than being given a hand-me-down) then £25 isn't part of the cost of the phone, it's an additional cost which many families can't afford.

Telling a parent that their child can no longer take their phone into school also isn't going to work. That's why so many schools have an 'off and out of sight' policy rather than a 'completely banned' policy.

£25 over the lifetime of the child in school isn’t onerous. Even for a child in their last year of school it’s 65p a week for the school year. We can’t make decisions based on those who have children they can’t afford.

We as a society need to address the impact of smart phones on children and all involved need to get on board and help find solutions, instead of shooting down every suggestion, including suggestions that have been shown to work in different school environments. I can’t imagine phones in schools are welcomed by teachers.

noblegiraffe · 09/04/2025 12:48

hadtonamechangeobviously · 09/04/2025 12:18

According to my DC, they put their phones in a cupboard in the form room at the start of the day. Locked. Then unlocked at the end of the day.

There's no room for a lockable phone cupboard in my classroom and I am often not there at the end of the day because I am part time.

I'm just pointing out that it is not logistically as easy as some are trying to make out.

noblegiraffe · 09/04/2025 12:47

Ddakji · 09/04/2025 12:08

I disagree - it becomes part of the cost of the phone. If you can afford the phone you can afford the pouch. If you can’t afford it then your kid doesn’t get to take their phone into school, or you buy a cheaper phone/get a cheaper package.

That's talking about future phone purchases. If the child already has the phone (and you are assuming that they have been bought a new phone rather than being given a hand-me-down) then £25 isn't part of the cost of the phone, it's an additional cost which many families can't afford.

Telling a parent that their child can no longer take their phone into school also isn't going to work. That's why so many schools have an 'off and out of sight' policy rather than a 'completely banned' policy.

hadtonamechangeobviously · 09/04/2025 12:18

noblegiraffe · 09/04/2025 11:44

I'm not a parent, I'm a teacher worried about losing some kid's expensive phone. I don't get to control what the parents buy their kids.

I am asking about the logistics. Where are these phones safely stored during the school day? How do I get the phones off 30 kids and hand them back to the correct 30 kids? How long does it take at the beginning and the end of the day?

I haven't got room in my classroom to store them, I've barely got enough room to fit the kids in. So then what? Where are these 1500 phones stored?

According to my DC, they put their phones in a cupboard in the form room at the start of the day. Locked. Then unlocked at the end of the day.

PassingStranger · 09/04/2025 12:09

90sseemedsomucheasier · 22/03/2025 11:18

Phones are useful. Being able to phone and message our children is a great way to safeguard them.

Smartphones are a safeguarding nightmare and a huge distraction.

We managed to go to and from school without any phones before they came along.

Ddakji · 09/04/2025 12:08

noblegiraffe · 09/04/2025 12:05

The fact that the parents pay for the pouch means the system isn't suitable for state though.

I disagree - it becomes part of the cost of the phone. If you can afford the phone you can afford the pouch. If you can’t afford it then your kid doesn’t get to take their phone into school, or you buy a cheaper phone/get a cheaper package.

Ddakji · 09/04/2025 12:06

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 09/04/2025 11:35

But the vast majority of secondary school pupils are not young adults. They are kids.

God, I hate the phrase “young adult” to describe children, minors, people who aren’t adults, young or otherwise.

Talk about blurring the boundaries between adults and children 🚩🚩🚩

Still, handy for those who like to abdicate tough parenting decisions to their kids 🙄.