To think that men who evade paying for their children are a burden on society?

Very few times, and there is massive (too much) consideration given to the non payer.

There was a case I worked on where the non-payer ran a taxi company, he'd changed it into his girlfriend's name and claimed he was just a regular taxi driver. I pushed that going after his driving license (everything else had failed) would be the perfect tactic but it was turned down as it would be likely the court would say no as too much impact on him.

The same was said when someone else suggested that removing the passport of someone who worked for an airline. Would cause too much detriment to them.

It often isn't as simple as going to court.
My friend went to court to get access as his ex shouldn't be in, would organise play dates, went out with the new bf on his days.
He ended up on what he called the mediation roundabout.

Start court proceedings
she would wait till almost the court date, call for mediation
Court would be cancelled.
She would wait till the mediation date, and cancel
he would go back to court

and around they went.
During this time his ex alienated his child against him.

this after being able to see the child for months then preventing him from doing so, because he got a gf or she had a new bf.

So it is possible to prevent a decent parent from seeing their child.

But this is a different thread. but you did ask.

I think it should be similar to a student loan.
The resident parent should get a set amount that can be topped up depending on the NRP's income.
NRP's income should be taken at source like tax. If they are self employed or mess around then interest should be added and eventually the NRP will retire and the money can be deducted from their pension.

Completely agree with this ^ . And I actually think it could be a huge vote winner if the magnitude of the problem was actually explained to the electorate. Unfortunately our shite system would probably award the fuckers pension credit.

So do women.

Excellent post. I agree completely with every word and it sums up why there is no political will. Until society views this issue in the same way as it does drunk driving (for example) nothing will change.

Found it - https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-10082/CBP-10082.pdf So not really using all the powers they have, about time they did.

The CSA can take away driving licenses and passports from men who dont pay child support. Be interested to know if they have ever used those powers.

Noooo don't you get it If the poor man is made to pay more than £7 a week for the child he created he won't be able to cope.

Never mind the taxpayer who has to financially support his child or the woman left to do everything for the child.
Yes let's go back to blaming the parent who actually did stick around

In America when a man remarries and does not pay child maintenance for his children outside of the marriage, his wife will pay even if its deducted from her wages.

Therefore there probably wouldn't be many blended families in England if this was put in place.

I think this method should be put in place in England. Women shouldn't marry a man with children unless the woman is taking her man and his children on. There is no reason to legally tie yourself to a parent unless finances are pooled.

But that isn’t really what this is about is it?

It’s about men (and it is men mainly) not paying CMS.

i know more men not paying for their children (2) than I do people fiddling the benefit system (0). Anecdotes don't equal evidence. Both happen.

I was having this conversation at work the other day. My colleague had an argument with her husband and he threatened to walk out on her and the kids.

As I said to her, it's amazing how many men think they can just up and move out without any consequences or a second thought to the children they helped create.

It's not like (the majority of) women could/would do the same is it?

Just because we grow and birth the children, doesn't make them any more ours than their Dad's.

@DiminishedSevenths idea is definitely the best one I've seen so far.

Paying for your own children should never be something you can opt out of!

Totally agree!
I think gone are the days where the father leaves the childcare to the mother as they are working, and the mother is happy to be a stay at home mum. Of course you will always find individuals that want this kind of split, but so many woman now are choosing to become the breadwinners and have successful careers, and more men are choosing to be the primary caregiver. There is no reason a father should not get 50% care if they want it.
Studies are showing that fathers are increasingly become more successful in the family courts, because there is no legitimate reason that they are any less of a parent than the mother

All parents should be forced to provide for their DC. That system they have in the US that a PP outlined sounds a very good system and might make parents think twice before abandoning their kids.

You know multiple people fiddling the benefits system, and multiple people divulge their maintenence payments and the frequency of those payments to you?

Sure thing.

The way people bend over backwards on these threads to make up scenarios where women are at fault is depressing.

Other men, any men, every other man who is not an arsehole - should be SHUNNING these feckless twats. Men really don't care what women think. Break up with them and see how quickly they revert.

Men judging their peers are what would help get this done. We women are just 'bitches' or whatever derogatory name pops into their tiny brains.

Women/RP should not receive a higher amount of CMS as a reward for restricting access for the other parent.
I personally don’t agree with how it is pulled from salaries either. The way CMS is calculated is from your Gross income, so off a higher baseline. Mortgages/Car Finance etc are calculated off of Net so it is affordable of a realistic baseline. Not sure why it is done this way, happy to be educated if anyone knows.
The CMS should care as they are a neutral governing body whose interests are for the child, not a preference to either parent. Regardless of your views on men not paying for their child, surely you don’t think it is right from a woman to be controlling how often a child sees their father just so they take a higher payment?
The courts do take ownership of this yes, however that in itself is not right. A parent should not have to go to court and spend thousands on legal representation just so they can see their child. If there are concerns then yes 100% that should go to court but if it is just because the parents have difference of opinions on how involved mother/father should be, it isn’t fair in my opinion that you have to spend that money when it is equally both of yours child.

No, please don't put women in charge of gatekeeping these arseholes. It's awful what your ex did to you but every possible sanction (and I wish I was in charge of this) should be levelled at HIM.

I would break them financially before they would have the energy to so much look at another woman, never mind produce another child. They'd be fully responsible for financing their share of their child(ren)'s upbringing and wellbeing.

My useless ex has a cash in hand business (non registered business), he was taken to court in 2019 for arrears, since then he signed on for benefits so I only get the bare minimum from the benefits (as in us tax payers) - despite him earning a fortune and not paying tax and me having provided them with loads of proof. The arrears wont ever get paid as he wont get a proper job! System is a joke!

@ASimpleLampoon Yes and regardless of having other families they should have to pay.

My exh is the owner of a company. As soon as I left him he stopped working at his own company, stopped drawing a salary and claimed he now “volunteered” there.

He is not on any benefits. Allegedly family members “help him with money”

He owns his own house, paid me in a divorce and manages to live on no benefits, or income.

This apparently doesn’t raise any flags at all, apparently you can decide not to work in your own company for a salary, you can decide to volunteer at it for free and your family can gift you the equivalent of your old wage, whilst getting a zero assessment for payments for your children.

Even the FIU said it was suspicious but not wrong.

just seen on Facebook that an inquiry into the CMS is being launched. Anyone who has evidence to submit is encouraged to do so here:

https://committees.parliament.uk/work/9004/child-maintenance/

I know far more people fiddling the benefits system than i do people who don't pay for their kids. In fact i only know one non resident parent who has never paid a penny in child support and she is actually female!