To think that men who evade paying for their children are a burden on society?

You do understand that men can abstain, then all of those 'feckless' women wouldn't have anyone to get them pregnant, would they?

Not sure what the rest of your rant about women has to do with men not paying for their own kids, but pop off I guess.

Why is this thread being inundated with incels? Pathetic

I work in payroll, it’s shocking the amount of men who massively increase their voluntary pension contributions for several months to get a lower CMS calculation and then stop the contributions all together. Grim. Never once seen a woman do it though 🧐

But they DON'T do everything it takes. They "fall pregnant" or "unexpectedly become pregnant" as on the myriad threads here every single day. There are plenty of feckless women out there who treat biological reproduction as casually as some of us treat choosing what television show to watch. They are just as reprehensible and burdensome to society as are fecklessly mating deadbeat fathers.

And then they expect the rest of us to pay for it, not just via our taxes but in the social ills that these situations generate and perpetuate. I am SO tired of it.

Yes, many men are careless assholes. But as a woman I know that the ultimate power and responsbility for producing offspring stops with me. We can make it NOT happen by our choices each and every single day. No man can decide to make us pregnant if we don't want it to happen.

But millions are too lazy, careless or selfish to bother. And their carelessly conceived kids and the rest of society suffer for it.

Dear God, the very first post trotted out the 'it's not just men' line.

No, of course it isn't. Just like domestic violence and rape isn't all perpetrated by men.

But most of it is. And there are way more deadbeat dads than mums across society. They do make more; they do hide more money; they should be ensuring their children are supported properly.

the issue is that people, like my ex, will see headlines like this and think all the single mums are raking in benefits, so why should we get maintenance.

Which is why the CMS system, benefits system and tax system all need to be looked at together to properly tackle the black economy - add in the passport office and DVLA to check car legalities and that someone hasn't created false identities. I'd go further and introduce biometric ID cards too. Let's have a real push to tackle the black economy and all that goes with it.

Absolutely agree with enforcing consequences like loss of passport, etc.

But part of the issue is that the CMS simply don’t consider many NRPs liable to pay maintenance. My ex for example isn’t doing anything wrong in their eyes because they say he doesn’t need to pay anything.

The whole system needs to be stricter.

Absolutely. How many kids could be lifted out of poverty if this was properly enforced? Massive benefits to society as a whole. And it is mainly men.

Yep, my ex wouldn’t give a shit what anyone thinks and if anyone asked him whether he is providing for his kids or how much he is seeing them, I’m sure somehow he would give them a story that would blame me and would manipulate the story in a way that would make him feel ok and he would actually believe what he’s saying.

It was the saddest thing in your statement, but now its that you have to attack a poster instead of discussing.

Then she would HAVE to deal with it either by having an abortion or a baby.

Just like a man should HAVE to deal with it by providing financially.

I really don't understand what point you're trying to make?

What point are you attempting to make?

Would be happy to see ANY parent not paying for their child losing their license or passport - but in the rare occasions they'd tried it it's been suspended. Let the taxi-driver lose their license until they pay, let the airline staff lose their passport. Most would soon start paying.

And yes to being a debt that never dies until the feckless parent does.

Enforcement shouldn’t be as lax as it is either. For it to really be as tough as it should be, you need to go through costly court action.

My DSis has spent £££ and is finally getting somewhere. Her DS’s biodad hasn’t bothered since my nephew was a toddler and has never paid a penny in CM. This man is dumb as a box of rocks but also a manipulative piece of shit, so he initially took her to court for visitation under the guise that she’d been withholding contact - she hadn’t, and had all the evidence to prove that she’d actually chased him to arrange contact 🫠
The tables turned, and he was ripped apart. He also does the cash under the table thing, so the court can only work with his declared income. But they’ve now got an order in place where he is to make set payments. If he misses two consecutive payments, a warrant will go out for his arrest and he’ll be facing prison time.

Oh that's already happening by everyone. What's sad is that it's some women doing this.

Men care far more what other men think than they do what women think. If you think that's the saddest thing then you're very limited in thinking.

And yet it happens.

What kind of a stupid question is that?

If a woman doesn't want an abortion or a baby then she will be doing everything to avoid it happening to her because its her that has to physically deal with it, she can't just walk away.

Not comparable in the slightest.

OK so women who would never abort or take the morning after pill should keep it in their pants if they don't want a baby.

My own comment does agree with that in some cases aswell.
I was responding to another persons comments as I agree with some of their opinions

Should we also be shunning women that have multiple kids by multiple fathers?

the saddest thing is that you think that the men that do not support the kids that they have sired care about what other men think other than those that do the same thing.

Would love to see not paying for your child considered by society to be as reprehensible as drink driving.
It needs a concerted public information campaign on the costs to society like they did with drink driving.
I would also love to see non payment classed as neglect. If the RP refused to buy food and clothes SS would be on the case before you can say deadbeat dad.
Child maintenance should not be a debt that's written off either. It should be attached to their tax code or national insurance number or something.
Non payment should be treated as any other debt and non payment should affect credit score and lead to CCJ's
It needs to be massively inconvenient to the NRP to not pay.
It shouldn't be optional, it needs to be something that makes men be less likely to willingly stick their knob in random women knowing they can dodge the consequences and leave other taxpayers to pick up the tab.

And unless men have severe learning difficulties, they all know this by the time they're old enough to be having sex. So all the people claiming men have no choice are being rather disingenuous. Men have a choice; what these misogynists actually want is for men to be entitled to consequence-free sex.

Women have more options than men, and a longer time to make choices.

So it makes sense that men keep it in their pants if they dont want a baby.

Wouldn't women be less inclined too by making both parents equally responsible for paying for their children? No benefits.

Surprisingly men and women who don't work and don't pay taxes still have children. Some even have multiple children. Some even live separately to maximise the benefits even if the NRP is working. CMS is not deducted from benefits. The burden of paying for any children produced should be 50/50 on both parents.