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Are you going to the USA? Just make sure you've not said anything nasty about Trump or your phone might get searched and you won't be allowed in

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cakeorwine · 19/03/2025 22:42

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained

I wonder what he said in his private messages that were looked at when US Border Agents looked at his phone.

“I learned with concern that a French researcher” on assignment for the French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) “who was traveling to a conference near Houston was denied entry to the United States before being expelled”, Philippe Baptiste, France’s minister of higher education and research, said in a statement on Monday to Agence France-Presse published by Le Monde. “This measure was apparently taken by the American authorities because the researcher’s phone contained exchanges with colleagues and friends in which he expressed a personal opinion on the Trump administration’s research policy,” the minister added.

"Another AFP source said that US authorities accused the French researcher of “hateful and conspiratorial messages”. He was reportedly also informed of an FBI investigation, but told that “charges were dropped” before being expelled."

Clearly some people might need a burner phone. And be careful of your social media use.

French scientist denied US entry after phone messages critical of Trump found

France’s research minister said the scientist was traveling to Houston for a conference when his phone was searched

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained

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Pieandchips999 · 21/03/2025 04:53

On an ETSA application it asked for your social media. Mines very left wing so I shut it all down before travelling over there otherwise I promise could have been subject to a ton of scrutiny. I went with a big group from around the world and you could correlate how long we spent having immigration checks with the colour of each person's skin. I was blonde at the time and am was white and was through in about ten minutes, similar to a very pale Norwegian woman. The person with the darkest skin they spent about 4 hours with and went through everything he owned- phone, laptop, interrogated his plans. That was Trumps first presidency

Lyannaa · 21/03/2025 04:47

I wonder how Americans genuinely feel knowing they now live under a fascist regime?

Itsyouitsyouitsallforyou · 21/03/2025 04:42

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/20/europe/french-researcher-expelled-trump-intl-latam/index.html

There could be more to this
“ The French researcher in question was in possession of confidential information on his electronic device from Los Alamos National Laboratory— in violation of a non-disclosure agreement—something he admitted to taking without permission and attempted to conceal.”

MyPeachSnake · 21/03/2025 04:15

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rosemarble · 21/03/2025 04:08

I am scientist and if circumstances had been different (lone parent, hard to travel) I may well have been attending a conference in the US in a couple of months. I def have anti Trump things on my phone. I’d be asking my managers if I could back out of going I think.

Petuniaspetal · 21/03/2025 03:53

The US can no longer be relied upon to have any diplomatic leverage in relation to the UK, or anywhere else it seems. If you end up inadvertently on the wrong aide of the law while.on holiday ....well dont expect any special favours. They can easily access your social media and if you are not a trump supporter you're toast.

DdraigGoch · 21/03/2025 02:34

Annajones101 · 21/03/2025 02:23

Yeah so they do it those coming in. This hellhole of a country does it to its own citizens. Try saying the wrong thing on social media and the police will come to arrest your non hate crime incident.

Your rantings become more unhinged by the day. You can't be arrested for a "non-crime hate incident"

KittyMimi · 21/03/2025 02:31

BatchCookBabe · 20/03/2025 21:14

You couldn't pay me to visit America. Not until Trump is out of power.

Trump is unlikely to be out of power now. I predict he will hand over power to Don Junior in the fullness of time. He has immunity from prosecution. He will NOT cede an election. The checks and balances, the US constitution itself... with the House, the Senate, a subservient GOP - non of it is Trump administration-proof. The Supreme Court and Putin have delivered the death knell to Democracy in the US, and it has been signposted for years. I absolutely believe Trump was bought and paid for decades ago.

I think we've just seen the last free and fair (bar the Russian meddling) election in America for a long, long time.

I appreciate not everyone will share my catastrophic view of it all, but there we go Grin

Annajones101 · 21/03/2025 02:23

Yeah so they do it those coming in. This hellhole of a country does it to its own citizens. Try saying the wrong thing on social media and the police will come to arrest your non hate crime incident.

DdraigGoch · 21/03/2025 01:59

BigDecisionWorthIt · 21/03/2025 01:42

To provide some perspective. If you have done nothing wrong and showing no red flags. You have nothing to worry about.

Anything being actioned is being done so by following section 8 of this INA on inadmissability and deportability.
For awareness, this INA has been around longer than Trump has been in politics and you can see exactly when and what sections amendments have been made.

The media like to omit so many details currently, just so it can match an agenda.

Further awareness, CBP will ask if they have permission to view your phone IF they pull you into secondary.
To get pulled into secondary, you will need to be showing some kind of red flags.
There is more to this story than what is being released to the media.

uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1227&num=0&edition=prelim

This section (which defines "terrorist activities" for the purpose of the law you linked) is loose enough to be used by an official who wants to be awkward. Perhaps he has DOGE watching over his shoulder...
uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8%20section:1182%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1182)&f=treesort&num=0&edition=prelim

TooBigForMyBoots · 21/03/2025 01:50

My mum is heartbroken. She says she'll never be in the US again.Sad

BigDecisionWorthIt · 21/03/2025 01:42

To provide some perspective. If you have done nothing wrong and showing no red flags. You have nothing to worry about.

Anything being actioned is being done so by following section 8 of this INA on inadmissability and deportability.
For awareness, this INA has been around longer than Trump has been in politics and you can see exactly when and what sections amendments have been made.

The media like to omit so many details currently, just so it can match an agenda.

Further awareness, CBP will ask if they have permission to view your phone IF they pull you into secondary.
To get pulled into secondary, you will need to be showing some kind of red flags.
There is more to this story than what is being released to the media.

uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1227&num=0&edition=prelim

TooBigForMyBoots · 20/03/2025 23:17

Newrumpus · 20/03/2025 21:14

That’s not very free speechy.

Free Speech is dead in the US now.😟

dreamingbohemian · 20/03/2025 23:09

They're redefining terrorism to include criticism of Trump and protesting Tesla. Classic fascist playbook

BTW UK border police also search phones and laptops, usually looking for signs of illegally working or intent to overstay. Not equating just saying it's not unusual to look at phones

FaithFables · 20/03/2025 22:39

AlisonDonut · 20/03/2025 21:03

How does sending people who have messages on their phones that meet the criteria of terrorism back out of the country make it less 'safe'?

If counties let terrorists in, it would less safe, surely?

What constitutes terrorism? In this case it was because the scientist dared to express his dislike of the US dictator and his policies. It all sounds a bit like North Korea.

HangryLilacGoose · 20/03/2025 22:15

AlisonDonut · 20/03/2025 21:03

How does sending people who have messages on their phones that meet the criteria of terrorism back out of the country make it less 'safe'?

If counties let terrorists in, it would less safe, surely?

If "express hatred toward Trump" can qualify as terrorism, then then it's not safe for someone who expressed hatred of Trump to travel there - not least given that there now seem to be a pattern of foreign nationals (even US greencard holders) being detained (quite possibly unlawfully) by ICE.

cakeorwine · 20/03/2025 21:17

I am sure we will be seeing the messages soon - and people will be able to draw their own opinions.

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Maitri108 · 20/03/2025 21:16

cakeorwine · 20/03/2025 21:07

Apparently the messages " messages referring to Donald Trump's administration's treatment of scientists were found. Authorities told him they had found messages "that express hatred towards Trump and can be qualified as terrorism"

What qualifiies as terrorism?

If he's a terrorist why wasn't he arrested or arrested in France?

StMarie4me · 20/03/2025 21:15

cakeorwine · 20/03/2025 21:07

Apparently the messages " messages referring to Donald Trump's administration's treatment of scientists were found. Authorities told him they had found messages "that express hatred towards Trump and can be qualified as terrorism"

What qualifiies as terrorism?

Terrorism is defined as using violence to change h to he fabric of society.

Newrumpus · 20/03/2025 21:14

That’s not very free speechy.

BatchCookBabe · 20/03/2025 21:14

You couldn't pay me to visit America. Not until Trump is out of power.

outerspacepotato · 20/03/2025 21:10

I am carrying on a 3 generation family tradition by calling a Cheet Trump names. Great auntie started it when she was living in Queens.

I'm not doubting this story. I've been profiled for search flying back into the US enough I can believe they would look at his phone and deny entry.

cakeorwine · 20/03/2025 21:07

Maitri108 · 20/03/2025 21:06

Who had messages of terrorism?

Apparently the messages " messages referring to Donald Trump's administration's treatment of scientists were found. Authorities told him they had found messages "that express hatred towards Trump and can be qualified as terrorism"

What qualifiies as terrorism?

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Maitri108 · 20/03/2025 21:06

AlisonDonut · 20/03/2025 21:03

How does sending people who have messages on their phones that meet the criteria of terrorism back out of the country make it less 'safe'?

If counties let terrorists in, it would less safe, surely?

Who had messages of terrorism?

WinterMorn · 20/03/2025 21:06

If they start doing this on a regular basis then an awful lot of people are going to be denied entry!