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Are you going to the USA? Just make sure you've not said anything nasty about Trump or your phone might get searched and you won't be allowed in

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cakeorwine · 19/03/2025 22:42

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained

I wonder what he said in his private messages that were looked at when US Border Agents looked at his phone.

“I learned with concern that a French researcher” on assignment for the French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) “who was traveling to a conference near Houston was denied entry to the United States before being expelled”, Philippe Baptiste, France’s minister of higher education and research, said in a statement on Monday to Agence France-Presse published by Le Monde. “This measure was apparently taken by the American authorities because the researcher’s phone contained exchanges with colleagues and friends in which he expressed a personal opinion on the Trump administration’s research policy,” the minister added.

"Another AFP source said that US authorities accused the French researcher of “hateful and conspiratorial messages”. He was reportedly also informed of an FBI investigation, but told that “charges were dropped” before being expelled."

Clearly some people might need a burner phone. And be careful of your social media use.

French scientist denied US entry after phone messages critical of Trump found

France’s research minister said the scientist was traveling to Houston for a conference when his phone was searched

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/trump-musk-french-scientist-detained

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XWKD · 21/03/2025 12:23

AlisonDonut · 21/03/2025 08:22

The UK even jails its citizens for it.

It doesn't.

comradepumpkin · 21/03/2025 12:20

DdraigGoch · 21/03/2025 02:34

Your rantings become more unhinged by the day. You can't be arrested for a "non-crime hate incident"

The fact that things called "non-crime hate incidents" exist is clearly Orwellian. If no crime has been committed, why do these things exist?

I'm much more concerned with what is happening in the UK.

Maitri108 · 21/03/2025 12:18

AlisonDonut · 21/03/2025 12:12

I never mentioned criticism of Starmer. Maybe read my posts?

AlisonDonut · Today 08:22

WavyRavey · Today 07:31
Wait till you find out that any country can actually deport you for comments against their leader or government :O

The UK even jails its citizens for it.

I obviously misunderstood. When you said that the UK jails its citizens for comments against its leader or government you meant what?

cakeorwine · 21/03/2025 12:15

AlisonDonut · 21/03/2025 12:12

I never mentioned criticism of Starmer. Maybe read my posts?

Do you know why people were jailed for social media posts?

There's some data and reasons here that might help you

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0028z

More or Less - Why are more people claiming disability benefits? - BBC Sounds

Plus, UK v Russia on free speech and the collapse of the Labour Force Survey.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0028zxj

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AlisonDonut · 21/03/2025 12:12

Maitri108 · 21/03/2025 12:06

Could you name those jailed for criticising Starmer or any prime minister please?

I never mentioned criticism of Starmer. Maybe read my posts?

Maitri108 · 21/03/2025 12:06

AlisonDonut · 21/03/2025 10:58

Are you saying you are unaware of the people jailed last year for social media posts? Is it worth keeping up with the news.

Could you name those jailed for criticising Starmer or any prime minister please?

DdraigGoch · 21/03/2025 12:05

BigDecisionWorthIt · 21/03/2025 11:50

It is loose enough to be used like that, yes.
But these guidelines have been the same over the previous 3 democrat and 1 republican administrations.

And being that loose, I'd question why both sides remained happy for it to stay the same.

Trump isn't exactly breaking new ground. He's using the same "book" previous presidents have been able to use.

There are good reasons why you'd want the guidelines to be loose, it makes them more flexible - useful when terrorism is ever changing. That's fine as long as the person tasked with implementing them applies reason when making their decision. Until now you could generally trust them to do that. Now it appears that they're being misused.

Regarding that quote from a spokesman, looking at her political background I have difficulty trusting her when she denies that it's politicised. She's no impartial civil servant like we have in these roles in the UK. Her word is as trustworthy as Karoline Leavitt.

Jc2001 · 21/03/2025 11:56

WinterMorn · 20/03/2025 21:06

If they start doing this on a regular basis then an awful lot of people are going to be denied entry!

And / or an awfull lot of people won't bother traveling there in the first place.

It will be interesting to see what the Trump effect will have on tourism this summer.

BigDecisionWorthIt · 21/03/2025 11:54

Itsyouitsyouitsallforyou · 21/03/2025 04:42

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/20/europe/french-researcher-expelled-trump-intl-latam/index.html

There could be more to this
“ The French researcher in question was in possession of confidential information on his electronic device from Los Alamos National Laboratory— in violation of a non-disclosure agreement—something he admitted to taking without permission and attempted to conceal.”

Well how about that, that'll do it. not as innocent or as much of a "victim" as the media wanted to portray.

As an aside, a British person caught mishandling classified information and then attempting to conceal would face UK criminal proceedings and prison.

FruitPolos · 21/03/2025 11:54

DdraigGoch · 21/03/2025 10:08

Citation needed

It will be Tommy Robinson. The pro Trump lot always use him as an example of the UK being against free speech, and they conveniently ignore that he's a thug who incites violence against minorities and that his most recent prison stint was for contempt of court.

cardibach · 21/03/2025 11:53

BigDecisionWorthIt · 21/03/2025 11:50

It is loose enough to be used like that, yes.
But these guidelines have been the same over the previous 3 democrat and 1 republican administrations.

And being that loose, I'd question why both sides remained happy for it to stay the same.

Trump isn't exactly breaking new ground. He's using the same "book" previous presidents have been able to use.

You don’t see a worry that the regulations are now being used in a different way? If they didn’t throw up over reach before you can understand them not being a priority for change.

BigDecisionWorthIt · 21/03/2025 11:50

DdraigGoch · 21/03/2025 01:59

This section (which defines "terrorist activities" for the purpose of the law you linked) is loose enough to be used by an official who wants to be awkward. Perhaps he has DOGE watching over his shoulder...
uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:8%20section:1182%20edition:prelim)%20OR%20(granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1182)&f=treesort&num=0&edition=prelim

It is loose enough to be used like that, yes.
But these guidelines have been the same over the previous 3 democrat and 1 republican administrations.

And being that loose, I'd question why both sides remained happy for it to stay the same.

Trump isn't exactly breaking new ground. He's using the same "book" previous presidents have been able to use.

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 21/03/2025 11:34

DdraigGoch · 21/03/2025 10:07

Cambridge, surely!

Is that you, Ms Keeler?!!! 🤣

Aaron95 · 21/03/2025 11:25

There is somewhat more to this story.They don't normally search people's phones when you enter the USA.

“The French researcher in question was in possession of confidential information on his electronic device from Los Alamos National Laboratory — in violation of a non-disclosure agreement — something he admitted to taking without permission and attempted to conceal,” she said.
US Customs and Border Protection (CBP) told CNN that they could not speak about specific cases but that all people entering the US “are subject to inspection on a case-by-case basis.”

Maybe that was an excuse for deportation. We will likely never know, but it seems likely he was flagged for further investigation before he arrived in the US.

Locutus2000 · 21/03/2025 11:09

cardibach · 21/03/2025 09:26

No it doesn’t. Why say things that are obviously untrue? If there were any cases you would have linked them, wouldn’t you?

They think if they repeat it enough it becomes fact. Very Trumpian.

cardibach · 21/03/2025 11:06

AlisonDonut · 21/03/2025 10:58

Are you saying you are unaware of the people jailed last year for social media posts? Is it worth keeping up with the news.

You mean the people jailed for inciting murder? You are aware that’s what the charge was? It certainly wasn’t for criticism of the government. It’s always worth keeping up with the news.

DdraigGoch · 21/03/2025 11:01

AlisonDonut · 21/03/2025 10:58

Are you saying you are unaware of the people jailed last year for social media posts? Is it worth keeping up with the news.

No one in the UK has been jailed for "comments against their leader or government". Don't make shit up.

AlisonDonut · 21/03/2025 10:58

cardibach · 21/03/2025 09:26

No it doesn’t. Why say things that are obviously untrue? If there were any cases you would have linked them, wouldn’t you?

Are you saying you are unaware of the people jailed last year for social media posts? Is it worth keeping up with the news.

Serpentstooth · 21/03/2025 10:51

Apartheid Elon is determined to recreate his youth. It didnt work well in S Africa, Elon, and the reason for that was not just because you weren't in charge of events, it was because you can't treat other people like that forever. They will only take it for so long. America deserves better than Bigly with you running around like an untrained puppy peeing everywhere. I hope they wake up soon. It won't be pretty.

Thisissuss · 21/03/2025 10:50

So many fragile ego's over there in power! Quite hilarious really.
Did anyone watch school swap and see the US kids awe that we don't have any banned books?

StandFirm · 21/03/2025 10:39

DdraigGoch · 21/03/2025 10:05

But this notion of boycotting a country because you don’t like Trump is ridiculous.

@AnyoneWhoHasAHeart I've got Canadian friends and family. I'm not boycotting because I "don't like Trump", I'm boycotting because of what he and his administration are doing, and are threatening to do. This "51st state" bullshit is not funny. Never mind him cosying up to Putin.

And erasing minorities out of everything. This war against "DEI" is not simply a case of getting rid of quotas promoting opportunities for minorities (which would be bad enough). It is about literally erasing data and any references to their very existence. There are too many examples to quickly link to, but I don't think that's really sunk into people's minds yet. It's a white supremacist's wet dream come true.

DdraigGoch · 21/03/2025 10:08

AlisonDonut · 21/03/2025 08:22

The UK even jails its citizens for it.

Citation needed

DdraigGoch · 21/03/2025 10:07

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 21/03/2025 07:26

Exactly! Oxford don more likely to be a spy than a terrorist!

Cambridge, surely!

DdraigGoch · 21/03/2025 10:05

But this notion of boycotting a country because you don’t like Trump is ridiculous.

@AnyoneWhoHasAHeart I've got Canadian friends and family. I'm not boycotting because I "don't like Trump", I'm boycotting because of what he and his administration are doing, and are threatening to do. This "51st state" bullshit is not funny. Never mind him cosying up to Putin.

Maitri108 · 21/03/2025 09:33

AlisonDonut · 21/03/2025 08:22

The UK even jails its citizens for it.

Who's been jailed for criticising Starmer?