To not pay for an unwanted child?

No. Sex results in babies. People need to remember that more.

As has been pointed out on a number of times. Child support is for the.....child. A child that has two parents to support them.

He might not want this baby or have wanted a baby at all, but that becomes irrelevant if a baby is conceived. What the father did or didn't want has no relevance. He now has to face the consequences of his actions.

Absolutely you should not be able to opt out. It takes two to tango and if you really don’t want a child that much (man or women), guess what, don’t have sex, or do and accept that even with contraception there is a possibility of it in which cause you are both just as responsible for contributing for whatever the outcome of that might be.

Nope. Should have worn a condom. And who do you expect to pay for it??? The state/taxpayers? No thanks

I have come to the conclusion that women who rely on men and want child support etc from a man who has clearly not planned and is unwantimg that child are clinically insane and narcissistic. You are setting that child up for failure and rejection. Its acc really sad and sickening.

Both should be using protection - conceiving a child from a one night stand is just reckless and irresponsible 🤷‍♀️

I think you're missing my point

the responsibility of not getting pregnant is on both of them, and if women don't want to get pregnant there are multiple options of birth control for them

same for men

the thing I'm trying to point out is if men REALLY do not want to be responsible for a child resulting from sex then they absolutely have this 100% within their control

and they can still have all the sex they want with whoever they want, they just cannot ejaculate inside a vagina

and so there is no way that they can be "trapped" or suffer unwanted consequences if they take responsibility for where their sperm ends up

and if they do not take that responsibility then yes, biology means that they do not get to tell a woman she must have an abortion or keep the pregnancy, because at that stage it's not their body

no offence you would rather not be disappointed. See too many women in this situation having a child is a joint decision. If he’s told you no then you clearly cannot rely on him. It’s also unfair to the child

God we are now calling women con men because men didn’t push hard enough to wear a condom. The bar for men is so low it’s being melted by the earth’s core

And lying con-men!

Stupid men, and scheming lying con-women.

Where did I say the mother shouldn't pay?

In both of those cases, the mens stupidity is the reason for a pregnancy. Especially the second, Seriously, having sex with a stranger at a conference and neither care enough about themselves to protect against STDs. What luck that the conference lined up so perfectly for a pregnancy 🙄

These 'ladies' may exist but without stupid men, they would not succeed 🤷‍♀️

So all of the responsibility is on the man to make sure it doesn't happen, but if it still does, it's completely up to the woman to decide to have a baby the man doesn't want and to then squeeze him for money for the next 20 years?

No, I dont think that a woman should be forced to have an abortion OR forced to have a baby, but we have a choice. I dont think a man should be forced to have one and then have to shoulder the financial burden of a decision he didn't make. Forcing a man to have a baby if a mistake happens is the same as forcing a woman to have a baby she doesn't want if her contraception fails.

my point about lesbians is they are having what we still call sex

they're having loads of orgasms (more than straight women too)

and yet no pregnancy results

it's not necessary to become a lesbian to have sex that is 100% guaranteed to not result in pregnancy

straight people can do it too

just don't ejaculate inside a vagina of a fertile woman

and again, that ejaculation bit, is nice for men, but not necessary for them to orgasm, and is not the thing that gives women orgasms anyway!

I absolutely admit there is a strong drive for humans to do it, it's how we procreate

but if men REALLY don't want to be fathers then they 100% can ensure they don't cause a pregnancy by being responsible with where they choose to deposit their sperm

but they don't, a great many of them don't care one bit

when I was younger and sexually active I was amazed at men who had no thought for using a condom, never asked if I was using birth control, just assumed I was and did not care at all of any consequences

unwanted pregnancies happen when men ejaculate irresponsibly

if a man wants a baby and a woman does not, no, he does not get to force a woman to undergo 9 months of pregnancy and childbirth against her will

she should absolutely have access to abortion if that is her choice because its her body

do you really think men should have the right to force women to be pregnant against their will?

again, if men don't want to become fathers then they need to not ejaculate inside vaginas

they can still have sex and still orgasm, just not inside the vagina of a woman in her fertile years

But unwanted pregnancies happen. The woman has all the power in this situation. What about flipping it on its head. What about a man who wants the baby and the woman that doesn't. Should she NOT be allowed to get an abortion if the man wants her to keep it? In the same way that he would HAVE to pay if he doesn't want it but she has it anyway? Shoukd the father take the mother to court so that she legally cannot abort the baby in the same way that she can take him to court to make him pay for a kid he never wanted?

Unpopular opinion here but I have always said that I would rather struggle alone, than ask a man to give me money for a kid he doesn't want. I can't imagine anything worse than forcing money from a man whose baby I had against his will.

I think that if a man makes it clear that he does not want a child and the woman goes ahead and forces it on him anyway, she should be prepared to go it alone. Women have a choice, even if it was unplanned or unwanted, men don't.

Most contraception coercion comes from men. He is never forced into a situation. He has the choice to use a condom. If he doesn't then that is on him.

@BrandNewHeretic I'd hardly call it "crediting" them. If anything I'd curse them for keeping the human race going this long. It's just a fact that they're hardwired to want sex and saying they should just never have it if they don't want kids is not ever going to be practical.

Good luck furthering the human race (not you specifically) with out a woman!!

My point is it requires both to procreate life and therefore both should be accountable

How on earth can you credit men (unfairly) with creating the human race while also absolving them of any responsibility for the life he creates?!

@BrandNewHeretic Thank fuck for men and their miraculous ability to orgasm.

Not really. I'd be more than happy if the human race died out. But good luck getting pregnant without a man.