To not pay for an unwanted child?

Why are so many men, with agency over their own bodies and without needing anyone to "force" them, having sex without using a condom. It's simple, no condom no sex.

Why are so many women having sex with men and not making them use a condom. It's simple no condom no sex

Not all women get stretch marks. Abuse is more common than that. Stress? I never mentioned stress.

You just do not know much about abuse in pregnancy and no I am not talking bollocks. You just cannot hold men to account for abuse or anything.

No wonder we have entitled boys growing up who treat women as they do with women like you as mothers.

Now you’re just speaking out of your arse. Literally if you’ve had children you would know where the stretch marks come from. Also the stress is due to the factor that your hormones are changing alongside your body. Go bed you speak to speak nonsense.

The male is the source of abuse after saying he wants to be present in most cases. Hence why women are abused in pregnancy more than they suffer sickness and stretch marks. Abuse in pregnancy - planned pregnancy is sky high. So no this is not about ONS and men saying they do not want to be present.

If he abuses then he is not entitled to be present as that is child abuse. The options are often worse than staying. My friend found out the hard way - stabbed 71 times and then had her throat slit. So yeah she didn't wait but now the child has no mother. That is what happens when abusers are held to account.

This all day long. Single mothers are not awful mothers. It's just that they tend to end up dating because they are single (and entitled to do so) and that increases the risks because of the harm men cause. If you marry one man that's a much lower risk factor than if you date 3 over a number of years. So let's place that accountability back where it belongs - on the men.

A man wouldn't have a ONS with me. Both are responsible for the outcomes of their sex. Not rocket science is it?

Erm....Yes I do and no I wouldn't complain that the male doesn't help as I wouldn;t need help as there is no child. Even if there was he would be responsible for his part in the situation. If he chose to jizz in her then he is as equally responsible for the outcome. So he faces what I face whether that be a child or a medical procedure.

Men refuse to help when they plan children a lot of the time.

Consult the male. If he says he would NOT like to be present. Go and explore all the options you can possibly have. Simple. Not wait and cry about it and drag your child through all that abuse.

Broken kids after trauma of seeing what has happened to their parent? No shit sherlock. Seeing what happens to some mothers especially with the misogyny and abuse they face in most cases is appalling and would lead to trauma. At least you recognise that putting women through such abuse will have an impact on their kids so they are better without such abuse in their life.

Now how to reduce that abuse?

If a man has a one night stand with you, how many other women and males do you think do this and find contraception the next morning. It’s only certain women who sit there and say well the man should step up and blah blah blah. Entitled. You have access to all these preventative measures yet you don’t. Then complain when the male refuses to help

I don’t mind she took a dig at SEN children. When I was saying special meaning that women have one night stands with men and expect them to father their ‘special’ child when there’s multiple other women using the exact methods to prevent. Let’s not go there about vile. Vile is entrapping people and forcing children to be born without father figures just because you expect the man to step up when they clearly said NO.

Statistics also show that single mothers are more likely to raise broken kids who turn to drugs and alchohol. You even said so yourself that you prevent pregnancy. Lets not continue you are literally saying this to say the opposite.

You replied to me. I have not mentioned it at all.

Many do as do many say the same about women. I say that men should take responsibility as should women and men should declare their fertility status before sex as it is expected of women.

If I was a woman and found out the bloke never declared they were fertile and was now caused harm to my body then I would be making him pay.

Men should declare fertility status before sex.

What are you gibbering on about? 😂

My post wasn't solely to you. Plenty of posters on this thread have said that men should abstain from sex if they don't want to be fathers.

I do have a lot to say as I know how to prevent pregnancy and so too does my partner as it is both our responsibility to ensure we have no children. Sorry to break that news to you.

How is having a ONS linked to a child being entitled? Entitled children come from parents of all backgrounds - mostly from those married in my experience. Ruined kids.

I've not said they shouldn't have sex. I have said that men shouldn't lie about their fertility as a comparison.

So isn't that so? Should men declare their fertility as women have to? Yes or no? If they do not then they are trapping women if they do not declare before sex I am fertile.

Jizzing without consent is not rape unless the penetration was not consensual. I have no mentioned rape resulting in pregnancy I have said about jizzing without consent which is not rape.

If I was a bloke in the situation where I found out that a partner had lied about taking the pill and was now expecting me to pay up for 18 years, despite knowing full well I didn't want kids....you can bet your bottom dollar I'd be doing my level best not to give her a penny!

At least we don't have the lunacy of the US where you can prove you're not the father and still be ordered to pay. I mean, imagine finding out your spouse had cheated on you and still being forced to pay!

You said 'special' child. I assumed that was you saying SEND. How is it vile when you yourself said 'special'?

I will not breed darling. I do not want kids and if you think that is something that will upset me being told that then you are far from the truth. I have a partner chicken so you think that is the thing that would bother me being alone? That is you projecting your fears onto me as an 'insult' that really is a bit lame to be fair.

Because I’m a women and I want 50%. LOL life doesn’t work like that love. Sorry. You and I cannot force them. If they wanted to they would