Teachers who have watched 'Adolescence'- what are your thoughts?

I have worked in secondary schools and had 3 dcs go through them too and the school episode was so accurate! When the detective said" Nobody is learning anything. These are just holding pens" he was spot on.

I apologise for the word "rubbish". I think we are talking about different things in some respects. Education is about learning about various academic subjects, science, history, maths, language, literacy, culture, politics etc etc etc and this aspect of learning is sedentary. This sort of education opens minds, opens doors, fires imagination, helps children make sense of the world around them, and have more control, creates opportunities, helps with communication with others and also developing self concept and teaches skills to allow children to know their passions and follow their passions.

Though most of this is sedentary and can be complimented by time spent learning and playing sport, travelling, visiting new places.

I would agree with you that most schools don't provide this or anything like.

I don't agree that education isn't for the vast majority of boys and girls though. And I don't think any boys should just be seen as hunter gatherers.

Absolute rubbish.

Well that's good as it is really tedious how you are deliberately misunderstanding my post. I'll say it again, I never said All private school Mums. Why are your comprehension skills so poor! (That's rhetorical by the way)

Yes. He just said he “doesn’t know”, which was my worry. If it had been that he heard it somewhere I could have dealt with it, but not knowing suggested that it was something more ingrained in his thoughts. I could be overthinking things, but having taught so many children over the years and seeing small behaviours steadily grow into bigger things, it worries me.

I worked in a primary school (rural, mixed intake) and I have to agree.

It is marked that classes where the parents are mostly supportive of the school and the staff, and are prepared to draw boundaries for their DC themselves, are much, much 'easier' (easier to control, easier to teach, easier to have fun with because they don't behave idiotically, easier to discipline) than the ones where several parents are prone to arriving like avenging angels whenever their kid gets sanctioned.
'He never done it.'
'He's got ADHD, he's just not got a diagnosis yet.'
'She can't help it, her dad walked out.'
'It's her anxiety, that's why she hit her.'
'His needs aren't being met by the school' (child with no EHCP getting at least an hour of 1:1 TA time a day; decided he didn't like the TA; mother put in a complaint against the TA, caused the TA a term of needless stress.)

Some parents were and still are a constant drain on SLT and teacher time. And, as I always say on thread like this, I'm NOT having a go at the parents of DC with genuine issues who fight to get them EHCPs and support them every step of the way. Some parents are legitimately terrible: over-indulgent; willing to excuse any poor behaviour rather than consider if perhaps their own behaviour contributed in some way, or if they could make an effort to help to resolve it; do what they want rather than considering their DCs' needs for security and stability.

Some of them seem to be actively destroying their DC's life chances, so yes, I do wonder how that is going to effect the local secondary schools, as well as the poor bloody DC themselves, when they're in Y11.

She probably means press charges.

If you trust a school and it’s staff to have care of your children if seems pretty unreasonable to have an opinion on something which happened at school which you didn’t see! I have had my kids come home and complain about an “unfair detention”. My advice has always been to said child -seek out the teacher/send a note to their pigeon hole or arrange a meeting with them to explain their concerns about why they have been unfairly treated. Undermining teachers only adds to pupils misbehaving in my opinion.

I didn’t say it isn’t seen in private schools. I said the exact opposite, that it affects all teens wherever they go to school.

i said the general bad behaviour portrayed on the tv show is not what you would see in most private schools because disciplinary standards are high and disruptive children get asked to leave.

im not going to continue to discuss the private schools mothers just get plastic surgery bollocks

Again, don't know why you keep misinterpreting what I stated. It is anecdata, these Mums did have that family dynamic and did enjoy their treatments. I don't say All private school mums as WELL YOU KNOW! What's isn't true is that private school children do not sign up to these ideologies, that just isn't true.

So it's not seen in the school, so what, so they have the agreed with the manosphere ideology behind closed doors- that's alright then isn't it as long as they are well behaved in school🙄

I agree with what you say to an extent but I disagree with your assertion that my opinion is ‘rubbish’. School is NOT for everyone. It’s a one size fits all system which pits everyone against everyone else. Yes education is important but what is education? Who says it should all be academic and sedentary. We’ve defined education into a very specific box and told those that don’t fit that mould they’re failures.

Many boys/males need to be using their bodies not their academic ability all day every day.

I am by the way a primary school teacher and have seen it over and over how school is a terrible fit for so many, especially boys.

It’s two different issues. The behaviour shown in the school is highly unlikely to be seen at a private school since they tend to be strict on discipline and have fewer disruptive kids since they simply get asked to leave.

The societal issues with social media/andrew Tate/alpha males and incels are seen in teens in general wherever they go to school.

Your comments about mothers of private school kids not working and sitting at home getting plastic surgery remain misogynistic.

No, you've deliberately misconstrued my post so I'll start again. People have suggested on the thread that this doesn't exist in private schools, I think that is deluded based on my anecdata where the values of the house were the man earns the big bucks and the women stay at home, and receive treatments. The messaging in these cases has been very much sexist and it is not a surprise that their offspring think the same about women. I said some, I said it was anecdata. Don't acknowledge it but what is the point of denying it, how does that help discussions about a societal problem.

The thing is, sincerity politics is out of fashion, ideals are out of fashion and are dismissed as 'woke'. If more parents had those ideals I think society would look very different but they can't really be disagreeing too much can they if their off spring are spouting this nonsense.

Your observation is that mothers of children who go to independent school don’t work and just sit at home having treatments and plastic surgery. And you think that isn’t misogynistic and offensive?

You’re wrong.

i completely agree with you. DC is similar and he has commented on negative treatment of boys compared to girls since he was around five - as you say, constant negative language. And I agree also about the completely pointless demotivating punishments - the child asleep you mention should be getting extra help either with tuition or motivation or self confidence.

No they weren't, there anecdotal observations, again, it's the truth as I observed it but admittedly a sample size that is anecdata.

And your language was atrocious. You can respond without using the F word as every other word!

I think that is rubbish, education is extremely important for boys as well as girls, the problem for the boys is not that they should be hunting and gathering, the problem is that too many fall behind and are not given enough help to succeed. And their response is to become aggressive and antisocial and that makes it harder to help them, and because they are met with endless punishments and demerits rather than being helped.

The boys who are good at academic work are the boys who have been taught the skills, had access to a wide knowledge, and given all the help they need until they can fly on their own. I see boys in DC's class and I know without a shadow of a doubt that if I could spend some time teaching them learning skills and help them catch up, they would be motivated and their behaviour would improve. And if I could wave a magic wand and get them off screens and get them away from easy access to porn and other disgusting internet content all the better.

Teens need structure and activity and high expectations matched by help where they need it.

Your comments were not an “honesty duscussion”, they were misogynistic and offensive

I teach in an independent boys' school, and whilst the school setting on the show didn't resonate at all (even with my time working in a challenging school in an inner city setting), I have to say that probably the majority of our safeguarding concerns at school are related to the "manosphere" / Andrew Tate culture. It makes me incredibly sad and scared for the future - I increasingly think that there needs to be a massive change in how we parent and approach access to screens/internet generally. Totally agree that there are issues with how parents respond to sanctions issued in school, too.

This is the problem, all honesty discussions are not wanted so how can the problems be solved. Of course not All but it just isn't the case that no boys from private schools do not behave in this way.

I am not sure what you mean, but if it is to do with saying some of the punishments are demotivating and counterproductive, there is a difference between that and correcting poor behaviour in a straightforward, clear, neutral and not over personal way, where expected behaviour is explained, unwanted behaviour managed effectively but with minimum punishments, minimum stress, motivating and positive - teens behave better and do better in those classes.

Research is clear about how to get teens to behave, there are a number of reasons why teens misbehave and there are ways to deal with any and all of them.

So there is probably good classroom management and bad classroom management, and I think pointing that out is okay.

What the actual fuck? So if your child goes to private school you don’t work you sit at home and get plastic surgery?

get a fucking grip

The trouble is men still haven't acquired another form of success other than getting a job with a big salary, house and a woman/man. That is often how men view themselves and are viewed by others i.e. women. Women's success is coming at the expense of theirs - so long as everyone continues to fights over the same narrow definition of success. Plus things will only get worse as AI, automation etc takes more and more jobs - competition for scarce resources i.e. jobs that result in a good life will only become more extreme.

Yes, we need a more positive view of masculinity but it cant be the same as before just without the toxic bits. That doesnt work. More work needs to be done particularly as the nature of work is changing, the social contract is breaking down. Boys arent wrong in thinking that they cant just go out there and get a job, they cant, the machines are taking over. They are also correct in feeling that this society doesnt work for them, it probably doesn't for an increasing number of them but thats not because they are male, increasingly because Western society doesn't work for most people. So changes are needed but it's even more complex than just phones and/or weak father figures.

Oh I'm definitely not, if that's aimed at me. People are deluded if they think private schools aren't inhabited by these kids. The attitudes are from the parents and if the Dad earns all the money and the Mum stays at home paying for treatments and plastic surgery what does that say about the values held.