To wonder if all those gleeful about PIP cuts are going to welcome people with serious mental health conditions as colleagues and employees?

I suspect that is precisely what pp wants disabled people to do. And apparently the spoons theory isn’t valid either. Edifying.

I mean, are disabled people supposed to stay indoors looking longingly out of the window at the "ableds" enjoying their lives?

There's a difference between going on a holiday or spending an hour a week engaging in a hobby and trying to hold down a job.

Proving @Somethingthecatdraggedin7 point beautifully

Faux outrage

if thats what calling out hypocrisy makes me then so be it

It’s possible that this has changed as I’ve been in continuous employment for 20+ years, but at one time you were literally not allowed to tell the job centre you would take any job going. You literally had to specify a field of work and be looking for work in that specific field. I thought it unhelpful back then, before I had chronic pain and mobility issues plus chronic fatigue, but I can see it being potentially helpful for those who are limited by their health to specify, for example, that they can’t do anything that involves standing for long periods. And before anyone starts baying ‘they should be grateful for any job going!’ what’s the use of, say, sending someone for an interview on the shop floor in Tesco if they can’t stand for more than thirty minutes without extreme pain? (as is the case for me, unfortunately). It just wastes everybody’s time. Hopefully DWP takes this into account these days (I wouldn’t know), but judging by the tone of some recent MN threads it’s not very well understood in general society.

Aren’t you a delight

What do you think he means by "other jobs do exist" Dont be so bloody disingenuous

Oh but going on holiday, engaging with hobbies, relaxing, having fun....all people's RIGHT and essential...
Having the energy and 'spoons' to only do what you want, and what benefits YOU is of course perfectly acceptable, and anyone who doesn't agree is an evil bigot, who wants people to die....🙄🙄

I remember once having a twitter fight with someone who was unemployed for years , "couldn't work" or "couldn't find work" but had time to dress up in silly superhero costumes and go to conventions.

This isn't correct. Many disabled people don't qualify for pip but do qualify for LCWRA on universal credit which means they have no requirements to seek work

Where has @ThisOldThang said that?

So you want her to work Just not near you and yours eh!

Other jobs do exist...

(She's previously stated that she doesn't qualify for PIP, so she's just classed as a 'job seeker' on UC. Is it unreasonable that job seekers actually seek employment rather than declaring every job unsuitatable and claiming benefits for 15 years?)

“Evil begins when you begin to treat people as things.” ― Terry Pratchett, I Shall Wear Midnight

Just posted this on another thread but think it is appropriate here as well.

Mumsnet is a cesspit for people who treat people as things. At the end of the day there is actually enough resources to go round, it is just a few people choose to hoard the resources and laugh at those that are less fortunate.

She could work as the child minder for your kids couldnt she.
Put your money where your mouth is!!

She regularly posts about how 'she'd love to work', but every single suggested job, or idea for a self-employed business, is simply impossible. She's not worked for 15 years and doesn't react well to suggestions that, perhaps, there might be something she's capable of doing.

Is there something you feel is possible?

Not sure of your situation.

Having a look now. I am waiting for one about people being forced to work in care.
I am fed up with being told that having a pair of functioning hands means I can wipe bums.

Looks like you already have your answer @Somethingthecatdraggedin7

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5326040-childcare-is-not-a-dumping-ground-for-the-unemployable?page=1

Our current tax system remains completely inadequate to tackle inequality and I expect it to continue to rise.

If we did reduce it, the evidence suggests that we would see reduced asset prices, especially houses, reduced inflation, higher food security, reduced crime, greater social mobility, and higher scores on a range of wellbeing measures including mental and physical health. Among other benefits. So that's how.

Well we have a great opportunity to see what impact higher taxes for the rich will have on the tax revenues of this country as it’s playing out right before our eyes.

The gap between rich and poor will no doubt “improve” but I sincerely doubt it’s going to improve anything for those at the bottom. How can it?

It worked better when we didn't have out of control inequality.

Progressive taxes reduce inequality. That's just mathematics.

It's a shame you haven't engaged with anything I've written about the very well evidenced and pernicious effects of inequality. It's almost like...you don't care? Either about the poor or about evidence.

I’m not sure the response to tax causing people to leave is more taxes, ie an exit tax. You’d really skew behaviour if people thought that was in discussion.

If you look at why Reeves targeted PIP etc it’s because of the modelling around headroom. She’s committed to some figure in a few years time and if the policies reduce that amount she and Starmer will make cuts.

So tax receipts do have a direct impact on welfare.