To wonder if all those gleeful about PIP cuts are going to welcome people with serious mental health conditions as colleagues and employees?

There isn't as much choice for adapted cars on the open market. Things like being able to put your wheelchair in the back means a lot of cheap run around the non disabled would buy on a budget are no good and anything more specialist like hand controls is expensive option.

I know you mean just a completely ordinary car with no adaptions which probably some will be, but many aren't.

And a PIP car is the most literal way a disabled person can use the benefit to support their independence, you need to be on upper rate to get it.

I'm not wholly against PIP reform but complaining against a car is just mean minded and short sighted; it doesn't help the person or society for them to be stuck at home without a vehicle.

Well I'm referring to the ones claiming disability when not actually having a disability that prevents them supporting themselves.
As in the tired/sad/anxious/can't be bothered claimants.

I have suffered with clinical depression for years and been hospitalised before! I take medication for it and will do forever! I find that work helps my mental health and my employer has never had any problems with my illness!

I've been ignoring MN for a while because of these somewhat gleeful posters but it's made me think about the jobs that those with learning disabilities and poor MH may take up.
I used to support a woman who was a fabulous Baker, her pies and cakes always looked incredible and she was more than able to cook how her grandmother had taught her, she could probably have made scones in her sleep.
But even though she could do these things and people used to ask why she wasn't working in a bakery, her hygiene even with support to bathe and wash was abysmal. Nobody ever accepted one of her bakes as beautiful as the looked because they'd have been full of snot and worse.
She'd happily have worked a bakery job but nothing would stop her from scratching her bumhole and carrying on working with food. Equally if something went wrong, say she set fire to her oven gloves again her capacity wouldn't have coped, she'd have simply burned to death and possibly others.
Just because she would have been able to do the job as a baker in itself, the basic hygiene required was never ever going to be something she understood. It's people who seem okay on the surface, like she was who will be forced into jobs that they're truly not able to do.

Because an adapted car costs significantly more.

I was served in a charity shop recently by a young man with learning difficulties - it took him quite a while to serve each customer and he got angry and frustrated and started yelling each time the card machine was slow. I was perfectly happy to wait - but it's made me think, that's all very well for volunteering, but would someone with those difficulties ever qualify for paid retail employment? Would people be frustrated by him?

Work and volunteering are good for people, but this often conflicts with a business's need to keep afloat and make money, and no amount of "well, we can't afford all those disability benefits" will make that reality go away.

That's certainly one possible outcome of Leadbeater's Assisted Dying Bill - yet another cost that can be cut (along with palliative care). Oh, brave new world!

Yes, everyone else who doesn't meet the new threshold for severe disability...the poster is still talking about disabled people

I don't think they'll be paying disability benefits for any mental health conditions apart from severe, uncontrolled psychosis in the future. People's parents will have to support them if the young people are too anxious etc. to leave their bedrooms.

...everyone else will end up on JSA or whatever they call it now.

This was in the post I was replying and referring too... go and check

This is what confuses me as i use pip for hospital transport as my hospital is the otherside of the country, aids, a cleaner and private therapy. Then I use lcwra money for bills as I can only work part time so if I lost pip which in turn meant I lose lcwra. I don't know what I would do

Savings have to be made, I don't think they've been made in exactly the right place but I understand from threads on here why the current situation is unsustainable (we can keep talking about billionaires and tax avoiders until the cows come home but we know that's not going to happen so it's not a fair argument).

What I will say is that if there are threads on here after the changes are officially made complaining about colleagues having reasonable adjustments or high amounts of sick leave, we should be referring them back to these threads.

Why would I tell you? It's something you said I disagreed with, you need to justify it - not me.

The quote you replied to wasn't referring to that. So what you were saying in your comment was that disabled people who now don't meet the threshold should just become self sufficient like the rest of us.

You tell me? They can either work or not. PIP not really relevant to that.

If you genuinely can't understand how assets are mobile then I suggest you think outside the box....

I don't really get people saying "take away my pip and i can't afford my car to get it to work"

Well you pay for the car out of your wages like other people do? There are literally 35 million cars on the road in the UK and they aren't all funded by pip. You might need to buy a second hand car on finance like many other people.

Its this constant approach of looking for barriers to work rather than seeking solutions, that annoys everyone else.

Jesus christ, ALL of them are unemployable? Why?

I have depression and do a highly stressful job, and I work with colleagues who have a history of severe mental illness.

Some people will need help to build up functional skills after a long period, but this doesn't make someone unemployable, it makes them in need of an understanding employer.

I think the answer is for better qualified pip assessors I very nearly didn't get pip as my main part of my application is based on a rare congenital condition. The pip assessor ignored everything my consultants said. Luckily I fought back and the 2nd person I spoke to understood didn't lie took into account what my drs said and awarded me high rate for both. This is what scares me the most its very dependant on who you get, I do think the mandatory recording will help

This. The intention is to support people who have additional costs due to their disability. An example would be needing to take a cab to get somewhere. It is not intended to be used for normal living expenses.
Other benifits are in place if you cannot work and need living expenses. The changes however do suggest that the pip assessment will be used to determine eligibility for the extra health top up on these benefits.

I'm talking about the work shy that claim fraudulently.
Also my husband (ex forces) works with quite a few disabled people that have lost limbs etc during military careers, and they're the back bone of his area, as they strive to do more than most able bodied colleagues.

Not people thst feel down or sad and treat every day as a Saturday.

I'm a mental health nurse too. Unless you work in primary care I don't see that this would apply to most of the people you work with. Waiting lists are such that cmhts/crisis teams/inpatient services work with the moderate-severe minority.

This is for people who are diagnosed with depression by their GP and then claim PIP at home for years. There will be a very small list of the people with depression for whom staying at home without question for years helps them recover.

They won't be offered any employment. They are unemployable.

Just because they don't qualify for PIP anymore doesn't mean they will make good employees. I would imagine most employers would give them a very wide berth and they will be included in unemployment figures instead of sickness figures.

I mean people who can't move or who have a severe intellectual disability. I care for a lady with LDs and she cannot do very much at all. She would never manage any sort of job. She needs 1:1 care at all times.