To wonder if all those gleeful about PIP cuts are going to welcome people with serious mental health conditions as colleagues and employees?

I suppose those of us who have influence of these sorts of things need to consider to we have a mental health policy at work, do we know the early signs of stress and how to manage it, have we hot stress risk assessments in place, have we got risk assessment for particular employees (eg one with known psychotic episodes, or suicide ideation or violent meltdowns) have we got staff rooms that allo deregulation, do we have evacuation procedures (just thinking how schools handle stuff)
Do we have helplines, websites, mental health champions.

Lots to prepare.

What people are you talking about people with schizophrenia that struggle with any added stress in their life and it impacts their mental health or people who have low level anxiety and bouts of depression that are not always able to work (which many people do suffer from) having purpose, having a routine, having structure often is more often than not very beneficial in such cases but people do need support to get into work

there is no suggestion that this is going to impact those with life long serious mh issues, its being proposed rather than having to reassess them every few years (which is stressful and an unnecessary worry) that there will be a lifetime assessment (assuming with some for of contact with PIP but not having to go through the stress of being reassessed)

So, were you part of the task force Osborne put together to go after corporate tax evasion? Because my sister in law was, and apart from lots of trips to Brussels to keep them busy, they were never allowed to actually do that job.

Did the BBC amongst their programmes of " Saints & Scrounger" "can't pays we'll take it away" etc, ever do a "Corporate bastards who pay no tax" episode?

The HMRC work to rules set in place by government, it doesn't take much to work out in whose interests our governments are working for, they don't leave office and go to work in a soup kitchen do they, no they sit on the boards of ftse 100 companies.

Are those countries as atomised as our families are?

I think in other countries people turn to family first before seeing themselves as an individual entitled to x,y,z from the state.

Not sure how long it will last because the off sick colleague will likely face performance management, possibly resulting in dismissal, depending on how often they are off sick.

Because an adapted car costs significantly more.

@differentstarts only 10% of the motability fleet has adaptations. Most people using pip for a car do not have adaptations.

The problem is that a lot of people refuse take personal responsibility - they don’t try to problem solve and assume the state will provide a solution which makes them reliant on handouts

Apart from 1962-1973, businesses and public services have always had easy access to workers from other countries. Post 1949 we were the most open we've ever been in the modern era and that led us to turning round an economy much worse than we have now, creating the NHS, housing millions, guranteeing an education etc. Even Enoch Powell was begging India and Pakistan to send their Drs and nurses.

What Blair did was to follow Thatcher's freemarket zealotry and open the way to the gutting of the NHS.

We haven't even had British citizenship as a thing until 1981.

IT used to be a very diverse and tolerant industry, it's what drew me to it in the first place. Sadly no longer true - I often wonder where some of my former colleagues would find work now - the answer is nowhere, probably.

So what you're saying is I'm allowed to share my opinion of thread derailers, too?Cool! Good to know I have your permission to share my opinion. 👍

Absolutely. I used to work in international tax and it’s incredibly complex and there is a huge focus from HMRC to collect as much tax as possible from wealthy individuals and large corporations (mainly because the returns are big if they focus their best people there). The idea there is some evil conspiracy and the government is just not trying to collect tax from the rich is bonkers.

The OP has posted in AIBU? You know, the bit of Mumsnet where people ask for an opinion and others give their opinion? Having a contradictory opinion doesn’t mean someone is trying to ‘derail’ a thread.
AIBU? Is not an echo chamber.

Very little tax revenue is lost from large companies due to non payment according to HMRC. Tax avoidance is legally structuring your affairs to pay less tax (like paying into a pension). It’s entirely legal. Any aggressive or unacceptable tax planning is already prohibited.

The idea that there are big companies which are just not paying their taxes is nonsense. There are no easy answers here. If you don’t want to cut the rising costs of benefits, people who are not really that well off need to pay more. So do small businesses (who HMRC assess don’t pay what they should).

No -we opened the borders to people who would vote Labour. Thanks to Tony BLiar and the utterly incompetent Gordon Brown.

They’ll also be the ones wiping out arses one day so I’d like a few of them at least to be in work and support the ageing population

There is a whole generation of young people who have never worked due to anxiety or poor mental health.
this can not carry on being funded!
They need help and just paying them to stay in their bedroom is ridiculous.

Also PIP and DLP are not means tested, this is ridiculous. If there isn’t an economic requirement for this benefit they shouldn’t be granted.

What Covid did was highlight just how vulnerable the UK is, we suffered disproportionately as a population because we'd run down the NHS, increased inequality and pushed more people into poverty. Instead of addressing those issue we've reinforced them.

Sorry to bore you but the tax justice UK are cranks and this is BS. Go ahead. do it, tax anyone with anything as much as you can and see what happens. I'm so sick of the constant narrative about rich people and multinationals not paying enough - if it was so bloody easy then it would be done. It isn't because firstly it is not that easy and secondly people will leave rather than pay.

As you see in the attached, fewer millionaires being created in the UK compared to other countries.

There is no magic money tree

I haven’t seen anyone “gleeful” about cuts to disability payments but many people do recognize that they are becoming increasingly unaffordable.

I have a disability and manage to work. It’s definitely a struggle at times but it’s worth it. Being on benefits long term is no life for anyone unless there is genuinely no alternative

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benefit_fraud_in_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=Benefit%20fraud%20is%20a%20form,state%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom.

Please see the section on disproportionality.

That's a choice. Austerity economics was an ideological choice, plenty of the world's top economists explicitly outlined where it would lead and they were right. There are reasons we can't look after our sick, poor and old as well as most of our neighbours or as well as we used to and they're all down to choices made by successive governments & the people who voted for them.

We had a choice between making the most vulnerable pay for those decisions or the most able and chose the latter.

Labour and the Tories were happy enough to stress how ill and vulnerable disabled people were beween 2020 and 2022 when they were using them as tools to emotionally blackmail others to follow Covid rules and restrictions.

They were fucking sick and disabled enough THEN when it suited both main parties.
Labour were the ones calling for longer harder lockdowns and IMO these cuts are to pay for said lockdowns.
There are plenty of hypocrites on this site who were only happy to cite the vulnerability of ill and disabled people during Covid who are now cheering on these cuts. Sickening.