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To be really cross about the proposed cuts?

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Byjimminy · 18/03/2025 20:19

And feel really effing sorry for those with genuine anxiety and depression - it is disabling!

Already seeing threads in MH with people despairing in anticipation of cuts. As if mental health services haven't already been decimated beyond recognition already. GP appointments as rare as hen's teeth, CAMHS and access to decent therapy is next to non-existent, the conservatiives slashed all the support workers and sure start centres and we've had the worst pandemic in decades (centuries?) - long covid is thing too! And now people are just self diagnosing/making up mental health issues? How the hell anyone believes anyone manages to claim PIP without a proper diagnosis is insanity itself.

I completely agree with this article: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/wes-streeting-overdiagnosis-mental-health-adhd-b2716618.html

I know there will be umpteen threads on this already, but maybe some others like me just want to let stuff out in frustration and have a fresh place to say it. To think this is a labour government making these decisions BEFORE putting the services in place to actually help and treat people is beyond comprehension.

Sorry, Wes – my A&E is full of people having a mental health crisis

The health secretary is wrong to suggest that doctors are overdiagnosing patients with psychiatric conditions – it’s just not in our interest to reach for the prescription pad and sign them off work, says Dr Ammad Butt

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/wes-streeting-overdiagnosis-mental-health-adhd-b2716618.html

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Wildflowers99 · 18/03/2025 21:38

I feel like people have gone to great pains to make out mental health is no different to physical health, when it simply isn’t true.

Let’s say I go to the GP complaining of anxiety symptoms. I’d probably be diagnosed with anxiety. However why am I anxious? Is it the adverse experiences I had as a child? Is it my stressful job? Maybe I’m not anxious at all - maybe it’s OCD? The human brain is so complex, it’s not like a computer where you can source the bug and fix it. I’m not even sure symptoms do fit into diagnostic boxes at all. It seems like a lot of guess work.

As for the treatment… well there are hundreds of parents on this website alone with anxious/autistic/adhd teens who won’t leave the house and se unlikely to work in the near future. Often the parent is saying ‘this wouldn’t be happening if they’d had the right support’ but what does that mean? Often it means hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of therapy which frankly may or may not have worked. It’s not surprising the NHS can’t keep up when all of a sudden we have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people wanting diagnosis/therapy/meds for something which until 7 or 8 years ago was reasonably rare. MH treatment isn’t the silver bullet it’s made out to be on here, it’s very expensive and often ineffective beyond letting the person vent and feel a bit better for a few hours.

I don’t work in benefits but I meet benefit claimants every day and listen to them describing their circumstances. I would say benefits have been a huge mistake for 80% of them - the benefits have frankly enabled them to make whatever the qualifying problem was much worse. Anxious people who have been paid to stay at home for 5 years are now positively terrified of the outside world. Men who are a bit feckless and found it hard to hold down a job, have used their UC to spend years smoking weed and addling their brains to the point they’re actually unemployable now. These people exist in the hundreds in my town alone. If they had had to work out of necessity back when their issues were smaller, rather than being allowed to drop out of society at the expense of the taxpayer, I reckon they’d be in a much better place.

Byjimminy · 18/03/2025 21:25

ACynicalDad · 18/03/2025 21:10

When you start by saying "those with genuine... " it's an admission that many aren't, and far too many take advantage of the system. I'm pleased it's being tightened.

Self diagnosis and diagnosis by a GP are two completely different things. I expect there are many people who self diagnose from the Internet and try to garner support without. How on earth are people without a proper diagnosis claiming PIP? If a GP agrees with their patient's suspicions, then a diagnosis is made. A GP diagnosis should mean something! If a medically qualified doctor cannot determine what is and what isn't a defined condition, how the hell can anyone else? I just don't get it. Doctors either know what they're talking about or they don't. If they don't then surely that is an issue with the medical profession, not the benefits system?

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indigovapour · 18/03/2025 21:11

It barely makes a dent in the ballooning cost of it all. More cuts will be required before long. Hopefully they’ll have supporting services in a better state by then.

ACynicalDad · 18/03/2025 21:10

When you start by saying "those with genuine... " it's an admission that many aren't, and far too many take advantage of the system. I'm pleased it's being tightened.