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Cat921 · 18/03/2025 19:29

Three weeks ago we had our reactive 14 year old Jack Russell put to sleep because of his strange behaviour around our newborn baby and I feel so guilty.

Our dog was our whole life. We loved him dearly! My husband had him before we met since he was a puppy so for 14 years and I had him for 9 years. He was very reactive and we changed our whole life since I have known my husband for him. He was very territorial of the home and we couldn’t invite people over so we would have to put him upstairs away from visitors. He had previously bitten two people who entered the house quite a few years previously.
He accepted my mum eventually after she give him treats but had to be introduced with a muzzle. On walks we kept him close to use as he did not like other dogs or people and we were unsure if he would bite out of anxiety. He was an anxious dog who hated baths, blowing out candles, and sneezes. He would need to be on a lead in the garden as he hated the dog next door and would bark at him incessantly through the fence and we also were worried about him getting out and potentially biting someone out of fear. He hated when parcels would be dropped off and we would have to fight to get to the door. He had three people in his life he was fine with and who he loved. He hated the car and we could not take him anywhere or to public places as he would get so anxious.

When we first returned home, for the first three days we were surprised as our dog was fine with our newborn and we introduced them from a distance and let him smell her blanket and baby grow. I bought extra treats and toys for him. I naively thought he would be fine but my husband had had prior reservations before we brought her home. We were hoping he would sense my pregnancy as he would always sit on my knee for cuddles. After a few days, he barked at my baby in her Moses basket and my husband grew unsure of his intentions. He started becoming stressed when she cried as if he realised that she was suddenly here and would hide under the table and started weeing in the house. We never sanctioned him for this. He then started taking an interest in the Moses basket in the living room and was obsessed with jumping up at it even when she wasn’t crying. He wasn’t necessarily bothered about her when I was holding her on the sofa. We contacted a dogs trust behaviourist for advice. We couldn’t have a behaviourist come to the house as he does not accept visitors. He then continued to bark when she cried and we recorded my babies cried and used a doll (suggested by dogs trust) to positively reinforce him leaving it alone with treats but this did not work. He then started jumping up at me on the sofa when holding my baby with his tail down and we recorded this and sent to dogs trust who said it was potentially concerning behaviour. Our dog slept in our bed with us his whole life and our baby had her next to me crib in there and I felt uneasy about him accessing it if I was asleep at night as it was on his level. He never bothered it the previous nights but I ended up sleeping downstairs with her the few nights after that which was hard with a newborn. We had to put his muzzle on to calm him in the house as he would not leave the Moses basket alone.

We were able to manage all of this behaviour previous to my daughter being born as he was the most loving dog with us and never bit us or showed any aggression to me and my husband. We loved him so much but this was hard to manage with a newborn. I think I know ultimately it was the right decision but feel bad as he looked to me to protect him and would always come to me when scared! The guilt is awful! It was such a stressful situation and hormones were everywhere and feel we should have gave him longer than a week to adjust but me and my partner just were unsure of his behaviour and couldn’t read him and weren’t sure if we could take that chance with our newborn. We were worried this anxiety would manifest itself into aggression. We could not rehome him as he would not do well in that situation and could be a potential risk to strangers. We also read that dogs don’t see babies as human and as potentially an animal and prey which scared us. We are heartbroken that we had to make this decision. Anyone had a similar situation and how do I deal with this guilt?

OP posts:
Pickingmyselfup · 20/03/2025 08:04

There are worse things in life than a peaceful euthanasia at 14 for a dog. No chance of a successful re-home due to age and issues and it's a risk not worth taking.

Behavioural issues often never go away and can sometimes only be managed. I'm not a fan of keeping an aggressive dog even without kids, too much can go wrong but I do understand that it's easier to manage the behaviour when there is nothing else taking up your time.

I had a cat with behavioural issues, not of the same league but it was causing us huge issues having him poo and spray everywhere. We did everything right to try and figure out what the triggers were, spent thousands on vets, litter, trays, food, calming pills, behaviourists but nothing worked long term.

I got pregnant with #1 and we still continued to work with him and we did have some respite for a couple of months until I got pregnant with #2 and then it got worse. We still battled day after day until I had had enough and I gave him back to the breeder who said she would find him a home on full disclosure with no other cats, no kids, indoor only to manage his stress levels. Slightly different because he was young and wasn't hurting people so we took a chance on a re-home but if nobody was willing I would have had to make a choice, never let him inside or PTS for his sake because he was such a people cat and a life without cuddles would be miserable.

I don't regret giving him up because I know it was the right thing to do but I still miss him and wish things could have turned out differently and I'm sure OP does too. I got berated for having kids with a troubled cat but there is no way we could have waited until he died, I would have been 40+ by then and when he was long gone I would be left with the permanent regret of never having kids.

That's not to mention the stress levels of an animal showing severe behavioural issues, it doesn't seem right to keep them in a state of permanent stress especially in old age just so we don't feel guilty about putting them to sleep. They might be physically healthy but they definitely aren't mentally healthy.

I hope you are doing ok OP, you did the right thing for everyone and when the fog has cleared you won't doubt yourself

Dwappy · 20/03/2025 08:04

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 07:38

I'm sure I know how contraception works! If you don't want a child then make sure you don't. Until it is the right time. Not that difficult.

As I said just before. I tried to wait until the time was right. Then it was too late. I would never advise anyone to wait until late 30s to try and have a child unless there was absolutely no other option. And having a reactive aggressive dog is not a no other option reason to miss out on ever having a child.

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 07:38

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 06:06

I'm getting the feeling that some people don't have the faintest clue how fertility works.

I'm sure I know how contraception works! If you don't want a child then make sure you don't. Until it is the right time. Not that difficult.

Dwappy · 20/03/2025 07:11

RedHelenB · 20/03/2025 07:08

I think you should have waited to have your dc but children before dogs every time.

Waited how long though? Until the dog was dead? What if he lasted another 5-6 years? Then the OP would have been 39-40. I started TTC at 39. I’m 44 now and it never worked.

RedHelenB · 20/03/2025 07:08

I think you should have waited to have your dc but children before dogs every time.

wusbanker · 20/03/2025 07:00

& to the people saying that you “took the easy way out” by not “fixing” him, if the behaviourists were saying they don’t understand his behaviour, and he’s growing scared and changing his mind for no reason, then it’s just something wrong with his brain. Dogs can have mental health issues and this dog was seemingly disturbed, there’s nothing you could have done.

wusbanker · 20/03/2025 06:57

It sounds like he had very serious issues and you did the best that you could. He lived a long and full life, you shouldn’t feel bad at all.

BonnieBug · 20/03/2025 06:46

GelatinousDynamo · 18/03/2025 21:17

This really is on you and you are right to be feeling guilty, but not because you've decided to protect your child by removing him from the house. It's because you've had so many years to tackle his issues, but instead you took the easy way out and accommodated him and his anxiety. You never gave him a chance to overcome his problems, you didn't keep trying, you just gave up on him at some point, and then you had him put to sleep when he became too unmanageable.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with everyone that the baby's safety is paramount and you had no other choice. But you left yourself no other choice, too, and that's on you.

Foul thing to say....you have no idea do you?you just wanted to say something repulsive to a new mum.
How the hell did she give up on him? Sounds like she built her life around him!
Some dogs like humans are who they are, even with training.

Itssofunny · 20/03/2025 06:43

You did the right thing, OP. I'm so sorry that this has been such a stressful time for you and you'll be grieving your DDog while also trying to heal from birth. Be very gentle with yourself, accept any support you can from friends and family. Wishing you the very best.

Skinthin · 20/03/2025 06:37

Oh gosh this post is so upsetting to read. I’m so sorry OP and sending you love, this must be incredibly hard. You were in a very difficult situation and you took the only action you felt able to, so try to put that guilt down xx

I don’t agree with the prevailing view that animals’ lives are disposable, so I cannot agree with choices that were made here or the consensus on this thread, but at the same time, I can’t say that if I were in your shoes I wouldn’t have done the same.

congratulations on your baby, focus on the wonderful life you have given her xxx

Catsandcannedbeans · 20/03/2025 06:29

I can see why you feel guilty, but you did the right thing. You’re postpartum as well, so that won’t be helping. Just take a step back and take care of yourself OP. You are not a terrible person, it was a hard decision and you made the right choice, but that doesn’t mean you won’t feel bad. Just keep in mind you’re also very hormonal and probably sleep deprived.

pearbottomjeans · 20/03/2025 06:27

Also @SquashedSquid just read the OP again if you want an example of why a dog shouldn’t be someone’s ’whole world’ - what happens when that world expands to include a baby? Exactly. I’m guessing you don’t have kids, because if you do they’re not a part of your dog-filled world, and that is very sad for them indeed. You have no space in your world to add anything else to it, because it’s full of dog.

DreadInvestigations · 20/03/2025 06:17

You did the right thing OP.

I can’t believe people put dogs on a pedestal so much to the extent that they make a decision not to have babies because of their dogs. Or that they live a life unable to ever have guests in their home because of a reactive dog. It’s crazy to me. Then again, so is allowing a dog in your bed every night.

OP it sounds like you did everything right once baby arrived. At worst you were probably a bit naive about how it was going to pan out. But your baby comes first x

Shoxfordian · 20/03/2025 06:13

It sounds like you should have been training the dog properly, you had 14 years to do that and completely failed to do so which is why you ended up in this situation

pearbottomjeans · 20/03/2025 06:11

SquashedSquid · 20/03/2025 06:07

What a disgusting comment to make about an animal. Dogs are aggressive and reactive usually because they're frightened or have had a traumatic experience. They're not "horrible". What's horrible is killing a pet because a baby came along.

My dog is my whole world. He literally keeps me alive. Who are you to tell someone he "shouldn't be"?

I think the same when people say that their job is their whole world, or their kids, or any singular thing. Not healthy because when your dog dies/job ends/kids leave home, you’re fucked. Unless you’re talking about a medical alert/therapy/service dog then yes that makes more sense to me.

As for who am I to say that? A random mumsnetter. Just like you are, sharing your opinion. Just like any other mumsnetter who shares an opinion you don’t like.

pearbottomjeans · 20/03/2025 06:08

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Why do you think the dog could have had 5 more happy years, if it was anxious and yappy and muzzled and shut away upstairs whenever there was visitors for the first 14 years?! Do you care about this dog or not? Doesn’t sound like it to me…

Gettoachiro · 20/03/2025 06:07

Some disgusting responses here from complete fruitcakes.

You did completely the right thing OP, I'd have done it sooner given nobody else would have him.

As much as you loved him the dog sounds like a horrible little git.

SquashedSquid · 20/03/2025 06:07

pearbottomjeans · 20/03/2025 05:56

He sounds like a really horrible dog. History of biting, aggressive, reactive. Dogs are often put down after the first bite. A dog shouldn’t be somone’s ‘whole world’ anyway, even if it’s the best dog ever.

What a disgusting comment to make about an animal. Dogs are aggressive and reactive usually because they're frightened or have had a traumatic experience. They're not "horrible". What's horrible is killing a pet because a baby came along.

My dog is my whole world. He literally keeps me alive. Who are you to tell someone he "shouldn't be"?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 06:06

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 05:52

This! They knew the dog was reactive and knew he would react to the baby but ignored that and chose to have the baby anyway regardless. They created a situation that they knew the dog would react to, knew he couldn't be rehomed and then he has to pay with his life because of that choice which they could've made later down the line.

I'm getting the feeling that some people don't have the faintest clue how fertility works.

pearbottomjeans · 20/03/2025 06:06

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 06:05

You did the right thing.

Imagine your dog had attacked your baby. She could have been killed or permanently disfigured. And then you would have had to have your dog PTS anyway, whilst living with the guilt and pain about what you had allowed to happen to your much wanted baby.

A dog like that just isn't compatible with having small children. Having him humanely PTS will have been much less painful for him than being rehomed, even if you could have found someone willing to take him.

pearbottomjeans · 20/03/2025 05:56

KhakiShaker · 18/03/2025 20:35

I’ll probably get flamed for this but I don’t care. This post has made me angry. Your poor dog who you claim was your life, was nearing the end of his life. Couldn’t you just have waited until he passed naturally before having a baby?

Your dog deserved to live the rest of his life without you ending it prematurely because you decided to have a baby. You must’ve known the dog would’ve had a problem with a newborn and wasn’t safe around kids, yet you couldn’t wait just a little bit longer? What did you think was going to happen when you brought the baby home?

He sounds like a really horrible dog. History of biting, aggressive, reactive. Dogs are often put down after the first bite. A dog shouldn’t be somone’s ‘whole world’ anyway, even if it’s the best dog ever.

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 05:52

KhakiShaker · 18/03/2025 20:35

I’ll probably get flamed for this but I don’t care. This post has made me angry. Your poor dog who you claim was your life, was nearing the end of his life. Couldn’t you just have waited until he passed naturally before having a baby?

Your dog deserved to live the rest of his life without you ending it prematurely because you decided to have a baby. You must’ve known the dog would’ve had a problem with a newborn and wasn’t safe around kids, yet you couldn’t wait just a little bit longer? What did you think was going to happen when you brought the baby home?

This! They knew the dog was reactive and knew he would react to the baby but ignored that and chose to have the baby anyway regardless. They created a situation that they knew the dog would react to, knew he couldn't be rehomed and then he has to pay with his life because of that choice which they could've made later down the line.

TheSippyCupSociety · 20/03/2025 05:39

KhakiShaker · 18/03/2025 20:35

I’ll probably get flamed for this but I don’t care. This post has made me angry. Your poor dog who you claim was your life, was nearing the end of his life. Couldn’t you just have waited until he passed naturally before having a baby?

Your dog deserved to live the rest of his life without you ending it prematurely because you decided to have a baby. You must’ve known the dog would’ve had a problem with a newborn and wasn’t safe around kids, yet you couldn’t wait just a little bit longer? What did you think was going to happen when you brought the baby home?

Ofcourse you’ll get flamed because it’s a stupid response. I don’t even need to explain why.

OP you did the right thing ❤️

Heyhowhatsup · 20/03/2025 05:37

SawItOnTikTok · 20/03/2025 05:19

the dog sounds like he had a pretty miserable time of it all round - him being that anxious all the time won’t have been a good life for him. Having to go out in the garden on a lead instead of working on his anxious responses and thinking that training won’t work because the baby couldn’t give him a treat just goes to show that you don’t understand effective dog training.

I get that the safety of the baby is most important but don’t get another dog in the future

Yes. I thought the baby couldn’t give him a treat comment was very revealing too.

it’s done now OP. Please don’t get another dog again. And let’s hope that goes for a lot of others on this thread too who think responsible ownership is irresponsibly looking after a dog and then putting it down or putting it down when something better comes along.