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Cat921 · 18/03/2025 19:29

Three weeks ago we had our reactive 14 year old Jack Russell put to sleep because of his strange behaviour around our newborn baby and I feel so guilty.

Our dog was our whole life. We loved him dearly! My husband had him before we met since he was a puppy so for 14 years and I had him for 9 years. He was very reactive and we changed our whole life since I have known my husband for him. He was very territorial of the home and we couldn’t invite people over so we would have to put him upstairs away from visitors. He had previously bitten two people who entered the house quite a few years previously.
He accepted my mum eventually after she give him treats but had to be introduced with a muzzle. On walks we kept him close to use as he did not like other dogs or people and we were unsure if he would bite out of anxiety. He was an anxious dog who hated baths, blowing out candles, and sneezes. He would need to be on a lead in the garden as he hated the dog next door and would bark at him incessantly through the fence and we also were worried about him getting out and potentially biting someone out of fear. He hated when parcels would be dropped off and we would have to fight to get to the door. He had three people in his life he was fine with and who he loved. He hated the car and we could not take him anywhere or to public places as he would get so anxious.

When we first returned home, for the first three days we were surprised as our dog was fine with our newborn and we introduced them from a distance and let him smell her blanket and baby grow. I bought extra treats and toys for him. I naively thought he would be fine but my husband had had prior reservations before we brought her home. We were hoping he would sense my pregnancy as he would always sit on my knee for cuddles. After a few days, he barked at my baby in her Moses basket and my husband grew unsure of his intentions. He started becoming stressed when she cried as if he realised that she was suddenly here and would hide under the table and started weeing in the house. We never sanctioned him for this. He then started taking an interest in the Moses basket in the living room and was obsessed with jumping up at it even when she wasn’t crying. He wasn’t necessarily bothered about her when I was holding her on the sofa. We contacted a dogs trust behaviourist for advice. We couldn’t have a behaviourist come to the house as he does not accept visitors. He then continued to bark when she cried and we recorded my babies cried and used a doll (suggested by dogs trust) to positively reinforce him leaving it alone with treats but this did not work. He then started jumping up at me on the sofa when holding my baby with his tail down and we recorded this and sent to dogs trust who said it was potentially concerning behaviour. Our dog slept in our bed with us his whole life and our baby had her next to me crib in there and I felt uneasy about him accessing it if I was asleep at night as it was on his level. He never bothered it the previous nights but I ended up sleeping downstairs with her the few nights after that which was hard with a newborn. We had to put his muzzle on to calm him in the house as he would not leave the Moses basket alone.

We were able to manage all of this behaviour previous to my daughter being born as he was the most loving dog with us and never bit us or showed any aggression to me and my husband. We loved him so much but this was hard to manage with a newborn. I think I know ultimately it was the right decision but feel bad as he looked to me to protect him and would always come to me when scared! The guilt is awful! It was such a stressful situation and hormones were everywhere and feel we should have gave him longer than a week to adjust but me and my partner just were unsure of his behaviour and couldn’t read him and weren’t sure if we could take that chance with our newborn. We were worried this anxiety would manifest itself into aggression. We could not rehome him as he would not do well in that situation and could be a potential risk to strangers. We also read that dogs don’t see babies as human and as potentially an animal and prey which scared us. We are heartbroken that we had to make this decision. Anyone had a similar situation and how do I deal with this guilt?

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LSTMS30555 · 20/03/2025 23:47

KhakiShaker · 18/03/2025 20:35

I’ll probably get flamed for this but I don’t care. This post has made me angry. Your poor dog who you claim was your life, was nearing the end of his life. Couldn’t you just have waited until he passed naturally before having a baby?

Your dog deserved to live the rest of his life without you ending it prematurely because you decided to have a baby. You must’ve known the dog would’ve had a problem with a newborn and wasn’t safe around kids, yet you couldn’t wait just a little bit longer? What did you think was going to happen when you brought the baby home?

100% agree and obviously the poor dog had never been socialised 😞

Avatartar · 20/03/2025 23:37

You have to view his 14 years as including a few bonus years, as had the people he bit complained, he may have been facing euthanasia earlier. You did what you could. For a second imagine the immediate aftermath and last hours of the dog’s life if it had attacked baby (screaming,anger, wrath, possible hitting it to get it off baby), never mind the injuries to your child. It would have been frenzied/terrified.
It’s very sad, but I’m sure his last moments were calm and loving and that he felt safe. Be comforted by that

edit 14 not 154 years!

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:36

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:35

"move the newborn out"

You've jumped the shark now.

You did suggest taking on that responsibility had I known.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:35

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:29

So move the newborn out or do not have one in the first place or kill the dog. She decided the latter.

I know I could've taken in the newborn until the dog died.

She asked a question. I am not berating her I am answering her question. I very clearly said she had a choice and had every right to make that choice but that I do not agree with her. When someone asks a question then some will agree and some will disagree. Both are ok responses. It is ok to agree and it is ok to disagree. That is the nature of the world. Both are acceptable responses to a question.

It isn't about choosing to have a baby when she had a dog. It is about choosing to have a baby when she had an aggressive dog knowing it would have to die as a result.

Why do you think everyone should think the same way?

Edited

"move the newborn out"

You've jumped the shark now.

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:29

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:24

The dog couldn't live in the same house as the newborn.

So the only options were 1) PTS or 2) have a kind soul like you take on the responsibility.

What a shame you found out about this too late to help and have to content yourself with berating a traumatised new mum on the internet for choosing to have a baby when she already had a dog.

So move the newborn out or do not have one in the first place or kill the dog. She decided the latter.

I know I could've taken in the newborn until the dog died.

She asked a question. I am not berating her I am answering her question. I very clearly said she had a choice and had every right to make that choice but that I do not agree with her. When someone asks a question then some will agree and some will disagree. Both are ok responses. It is ok to agree and it is ok to disagree. That is the nature of the world. Both are acceptable responses to a question.

It isn't about choosing to have a baby when she had a dog. It is about choosing to have a baby when she had an aggressive dog knowing it would have to die as a result.

Why do you think everyone should think the same way?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:24

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:20

It had a house.

The dog couldn't live in the same house as the newborn.

So the only options were 1) PTS or 2) have a kind soul like you take on the responsibility.

What a shame you found out about this too late to help and have to content yourself with berating a traumatised new mum on the internet for choosing to have a baby when she already had a dog.

FeliciteFaff · 20/03/2025 23:23

KhakiShaker · 18/03/2025 20:35

I’ll probably get flamed for this but I don’t care. This post has made me angry. Your poor dog who you claim was your life, was nearing the end of his life. Couldn’t you just have waited until he passed naturally before having a baby?

Your dog deserved to live the rest of his life without you ending it prematurely because you decided to have a baby. You must’ve known the dog would’ve had a problem with a newborn and wasn’t safe around kids, yet you couldn’t wait just a little bit longer? What did you think was going to happen when you brought the baby home?

This poster is talking nonsense. It's an animal. They expected the dog to accept the new baby as part of the family. They couldn't have known the dog was going to act this way. They did everything right. Posters like this are just there to start and fan flames. Calm down.

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:20

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:19

So the dog has a right to exist, as long as it exists in someone else's house then?

It had a house.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:19

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:17

I don't take kids in off random strangers.

So the dog has a right to exist, as long as it exists in someone else's house then?

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:17

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:16

Well what a shame she didn't post before she had the dog PTS.

You could have taken it in yourself.

I don't take kids in off random strangers.

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:17

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:13

You don't sound OK.

Using that tactic because someone disagrees with you is rather immoral and it also highlights you as a person.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:16

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:15

You do not have to agree with me. I am happy with that. I understand people have opinions and do not imply things about those who do not agree with me.

That is ok that you do not understand. Yes her child has a right to exist. So does the dog.

Well what a shame she didn't post before she had the dog PTS.

You could have taken it in yourself.

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:15

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:12

I don't agree with you about anything.

I don't understand your point about her still having fertility problems later. That's an argument for not waiting.

And yes, I think her child's right to exist and her chance to be a mother are more important than what sounds like a very distressed dog living for another three years.

You do not have to agree with me. I am happy with that. I understand people have opinions and do not imply things about those who do not agree with me.

That is ok that you do not understand. Yes her child has a right to exist. So does the dog.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:13

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:08

Yeah grand thanks, how are you?

You don't sound OK.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:12

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:07

Can you answer why it is bonkers to agree with me?

The reason to wait is that some think it is not ok to put a healthy dog down because your wants are more important than their life.

She can choose whatever she wants. But she is asking yes or no so people are entitled to answer both ways to her - is that the case or not?

Why is it wrong that someone disagrees with her choice? Should we all be forced to agree and nod because ppl on here cannot debate?

I don't agree with you about anything.

I don't understand your point about her still having fertility problems later. That's an argument for not waiting.

And yes, I think her child's right to exist and her chance to be a mother are more important than what sounds like a very distressed dog living for another three years.

user1492809438 · 20/03/2025 23:09

You are brave and lovely dog owners and parents. You can look back with joy at the lovely companion your dog was, rather than his memory being tainted by worry about what harm he might have done to your baby. I speak as a parent and besotted dog owner [only four legged golden children in this house!]. Enjoy your time as parents.

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:08

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:04

She made the same choice most people make, which is to have a child.

Do you think that people who think they might want a child some day should not get pets, and not get together with anyone who has a pet, just on the off chance?

Nope I do not think that.

Do you think we should all agree with everyone just because?

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:08

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:05

Are you OK?

Yeah grand thanks, how are you?

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:07

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:02

So why do you think this is a good argument for waiting?

Can you answer why it is bonkers to agree with me?

The reason to wait is that some think it is not ok to put a healthy dog down because your wants are more important than their life.

She can choose whatever she wants. But she is asking yes or no so people are entitled to answer both ways to her - is that the case or not?

Why is it wrong that someone disagrees with her choice? Should we all be forced to agree and nod because ppl on here cannot debate?

Pickingmyselfup · 20/03/2025 23:07

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:04

She made the same choice most people make, which is to have a child.

Do you think that people who think they might want a child some day should not get pets, and not get together with anyone who has a pet, just on the off chance?

Some people do. I had a breeder refuse me a kitten because I would at some point be planning children.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:05

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:03

You just said how can I be sure they wouldn't go away? You were suggesting they would go away by criticising me for saying they would still be there.

So just kill it then! As she did. She had a choice. Nothing stopping her.

Jobs a good un!

Are you OK?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:04

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 22:57

You mentioned mid 30s! Well you are wrong, it doesn't wane like that.

She can do what she likes and she did. I'm not saying she can't - why do you think that? She tried for a baby knowing the dog would have to die. That is her choice. She made that choice knowing the outcome.

She can do that, no one is saying she cannot. Why are you pretending I am saying so?

The dog didn't have to share with a newborn. She made that choice to make the dog share with a newborn.

She made the same choice most people make, which is to have a child.

Do you think that people who think they might want a child some day should not get pets, and not get together with anyone who has a pet, just on the off chance?

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:03

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:01

No, they get worse. Which is why you can't hang around waiting for your dog to die.

You just said how can I be sure they wouldn't go away? You were suggesting they would go away by criticising me for saying they would still be there.

So just kill it then! As she did. She had a choice. Nothing stopping her.

Jobs a good un!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:02

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 23:00

How is a bonkers, you just agreed with me that the issues would still be there!

So why do you think this is a good argument for waiting?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 23:01

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 22:59

If she had fertility issues then they would still have been there further down the line.
Do fertility issues just go away? Well I never?! Just like that?!

No, they get worse. Which is why you can't hang around waiting for your dog to die.