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Cat921 · 18/03/2025 19:29

Three weeks ago we had our reactive 14 year old Jack Russell put to sleep because of his strange behaviour around our newborn baby and I feel so guilty.

Our dog was our whole life. We loved him dearly! My husband had him before we met since he was a puppy so for 14 years and I had him for 9 years. He was very reactive and we changed our whole life since I have known my husband for him. He was very territorial of the home and we couldn’t invite people over so we would have to put him upstairs away from visitors. He had previously bitten two people who entered the house quite a few years previously.
He accepted my mum eventually after she give him treats but had to be introduced with a muzzle. On walks we kept him close to use as he did not like other dogs or people and we were unsure if he would bite out of anxiety. He was an anxious dog who hated baths, blowing out candles, and sneezes. He would need to be on a lead in the garden as he hated the dog next door and would bark at him incessantly through the fence and we also were worried about him getting out and potentially biting someone out of fear. He hated when parcels would be dropped off and we would have to fight to get to the door. He had three people in his life he was fine with and who he loved. He hated the car and we could not take him anywhere or to public places as he would get so anxious.

When we first returned home, for the first three days we were surprised as our dog was fine with our newborn and we introduced them from a distance and let him smell her blanket and baby grow. I bought extra treats and toys for him. I naively thought he would be fine but my husband had had prior reservations before we brought her home. We were hoping he would sense my pregnancy as he would always sit on my knee for cuddles. After a few days, he barked at my baby in her Moses basket and my husband grew unsure of his intentions. He started becoming stressed when she cried as if he realised that she was suddenly here and would hide under the table and started weeing in the house. We never sanctioned him for this. He then started taking an interest in the Moses basket in the living room and was obsessed with jumping up at it even when she wasn’t crying. He wasn’t necessarily bothered about her when I was holding her on the sofa. We contacted a dogs trust behaviourist for advice. We couldn’t have a behaviourist come to the house as he does not accept visitors. He then continued to bark when she cried and we recorded my babies cried and used a doll (suggested by dogs trust) to positively reinforce him leaving it alone with treats but this did not work. He then started jumping up at me on the sofa when holding my baby with his tail down and we recorded this and sent to dogs trust who said it was potentially concerning behaviour. Our dog slept in our bed with us his whole life and our baby had her next to me crib in there and I felt uneasy about him accessing it if I was asleep at night as it was on his level. He never bothered it the previous nights but I ended up sleeping downstairs with her the few nights after that which was hard with a newborn. We had to put his muzzle on to calm him in the house as he would not leave the Moses basket alone.

We were able to manage all of this behaviour previous to my daughter being born as he was the most loving dog with us and never bit us or showed any aggression to me and my husband. We loved him so much but this was hard to manage with a newborn. I think I know ultimately it was the right decision but feel bad as he looked to me to protect him and would always come to me when scared! The guilt is awful! It was such a stressful situation and hormones were everywhere and feel we should have gave him longer than a week to adjust but me and my partner just were unsure of his behaviour and couldn’t read him and weren’t sure if we could take that chance with our newborn. We were worried this anxiety would manifest itself into aggression. We could not rehome him as he would not do well in that situation and could be a potential risk to strangers. We also read that dogs don’t see babies as human and as potentially an animal and prey which scared us. We are heartbroken that we had to make this decision. Anyone had a similar situation and how do I deal with this guilt?

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Skinthin · 23/03/2025 10:35

Whoarethoseguys · 23/03/2025 10:32

The world has gone mad it people are honestly saying they would save their dog and let a child die!
That is just madness and maybe why there are so many dog attacks now.
Dogs are animals and should be treated as pets not people. Children are human beings and their welfare should always trump that of a pets.

Children are human beings and their welfare should always trump that of a pets

are animals also required to adhere to this perspective , or are they allowed to value their own lives and wellbeing?

OrionNebula · 23/03/2025 10:35

@Skinthin , I think you will probably find that according to the vast majority of people in society and the law as well, she should be required to value a human life over that of her pet.

Whoarethoseguys · 23/03/2025 10:32

OrionNebula · 23/03/2025 10:25

The whole "who would you save, your dog or a stranger's child" question always comes up on these threads eventually. It's a daft derail because these situations are so incredibly unlikely to actually happen but nonetheless I am genuinely disturbed by the thought that there are people out there who would allow my children to burn to death or drown while they saved their dog instead.

OP definitely did the right thing.

The world has gone mad it people are honestly saying they would save their dog and let a child die!
That is just madness and maybe why there are so many dog attacks now.
Dogs are animals and should be treated as pets not people. Children are human beings and their welfare should always trump that of a pets.

Skinthin · 23/03/2025 10:30

OrionNebula · 23/03/2025 10:25

The whole "who would you save, your dog or a stranger's child" question always comes up on these threads eventually. It's a daft derail because these situations are so incredibly unlikely to actually happen but nonetheless I am genuinely disturbed by the thought that there are people out there who would allow my children to burn to death or drown while they saved their dog instead.

OP definitely did the right thing.

Like you say it’s an absurd and inflammatory hypothetical , but that OP is totally valid. She isn’t required to place higher value on you and yours than the living being who she knows and loves and matters the most to her.

OrionNebula · 23/03/2025 10:25

The whole "who would you save, your dog or a stranger's child" question always comes up on these threads eventually. It's a daft derail because these situations are so incredibly unlikely to actually happen but nonetheless I am genuinely disturbed by the thought that there are people out there who would allow my children to burn to death or drown while they saved their dog instead.

OP definitely did the right thing.

SquashedSquid · 23/03/2025 09:45

DreadInvestigations · 23/03/2025 09:39

Are you the poster who once said you would save your dog over a random child in a life-threatening emergency? Sorry if I have got that wrong.

Yes. Still would.

DreadInvestigations · 23/03/2025 09:39

SquashedSquid · 22/03/2025 11:40

My dog is more important to me than anyone's baby.

Are you the poster who once said you would save your dog over a random child in a life-threatening emergency? Sorry if I have got that wrong.

SonoPazziQuestiRomani · 23/03/2025 09:23

Skinthin · 23/03/2025 01:11

Then they had a baby, and the dog had to be PTS.
So what?

A person with this attitude should never get a pet.
Animals are not for everyone; that’s ok. Just don’t get a pet.

I think both your post and the one you are replying to are unfairly simplifying the situation.

Re your last sentence, I agree that more people have pets than should reasonably have one.

whippy1981 · 23/03/2025 09:07

Regretsmorethanafew · 22/03/2025 21:07

Try again.

Nope not at all.

Skinthin · 23/03/2025 01:11

Regretsmorethanafew · 22/03/2025 13:53

They lives their entire lives around the bloody dog. Then they had a baby, and the dog had to be PTS.
So what?

Then they had a baby, and the dog had to be PTS.
So what?

A person with this attitude should never get a pet.
Animals are not for everyone; that’s ok. Just don’t get a pet.

Regretsmorethanafew · 22/03/2025 21:07

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 19:03

Nope. Not at all.

Try again.

4timesthefun · 22/03/2025 20:37

OP, I hope the fact the main couple of posters arguing against your decision are coming across as completely unhinged is helping you have more faith in your decision. Even if some people would have postponed ttc for potentially multiple years, it’s understandable you didn’t want to risk it. Nothing short of admitting you secretly enjoy murdering animals at whim will change their minds. While their exaggerated responses have been highly amusing, trying to justify yourself will begin to feel very much like bashing your head against a wall, if it doesn’t already. Maybe atone for your sins by donating to an animal charity, and pop the thread/posters on ignore!

Cat921 · 22/03/2025 20:12

Poppyseeds79 · 22/03/2025 20:00

I don't believe you

Yes my own desires were for my newborn daughter to not be hurt!

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Wow! Please keep your nasty comments to yourself.

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I don't believe you

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I had my dog for 14 christmasses where he was loved and opened presents from his stocking wearing his Christmas jumper. He was a very loved dog! He was a risk to others outside the home but unfortunately my fertility and my life couldn’t be on hold. I lived my life around the needs of my dog and my partner did for years before he met me. Each thing he struggled with we tried to help him overcome it but there were that many it was hard to. I hoped he would love my daughter and for that I will admit I was possibly naive. I’m sorry you feel human life is not as valuable as an animal and for that I am truly sorry as there is no doubt in my mind that I did the right thing now… you have made me see that!

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whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 19:41

Pickingmyselfup · 22/03/2025 19:25

If there were so many of them and nobody could help then short of a miracle nothing else would.

But hey, I'm pro "killing" animals who pose a safety risk to others. Just like I'm pro imprisoning humans who are a danger to others too.

It didn't pose a risk until the OP decided her wants came first. Her wants put the dog at risk and the child.

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 19:40

Cat921 · 22/03/2025 19:20

I have named the things we have done! There is only so much you can do when you have a dog that is very unpredictable and anxious! We had him for 14 years and protected him as much as we could! I really worry that there are people like you who think it is okay to be so unkind and think that every dog is trainable and every mental disorder whether in humans or animals is easy to cure. People suffer from anxiety and mental health issues then why is it hard to believe that animals can? I work with SEND children and understand that you have to sometimes remove triggers if they cannot be overcome.

Yeah apparently 'everything' is a list. Im not being unkind. You asked a question. If you want ppl to agree with you and don't like ppl disagreeing with what you did then don't ask.

It isn't mean to say I disagree with what you did and find it immoral.

I didn't say I don't believe they do. I very clearly said that they do suffer trauma responses. Why is it so hard for you to read where I said that.

Trauma responses are normal.

Poppyseeds79 · 22/03/2025 19:26

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 19:09

And so because they were shit at their job you just killed him because your wants were more important?

So name and shame them all - they took your money and didn't deliver. I'd report them as that is surely theft for not delivering a service. And given there were so many of them that means that they are all a bit useless - no?

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Seriously, do you have a reactive dog? Do you have even the slightly comprehension what's it's like living with one day in day out? Walking a muzzled dog in public is no picnic, being on constant edge that other owners are shit at recalling their dogs? Many a time I'd be asking someone to put their dog in a leash, as they were proclaiming theirs was "fine", sure but my dog wasn't 🙄

Having an anxious, upset animal is so sad. Life becomes an exhausting round of adjustments all about that. And yes, some of us including OP do it. However many people can't cope with it and those dogs end up in shelters and un-rehomable... If you're so adamant you could do a better job why don't you dedicate yourself to establishing adopting a few of these dogs and seeing just how well you get along? It might make a change from that high horse you like sitting on.

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Pickingmyselfup · 22/03/2025 19:25

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 19:09

And so because they were shit at their job you just killed him because your wants were more important?

So name and shame them all - they took your money and didn't deliver. I'd report them as that is surely theft for not delivering a service. And given there were so many of them that means that they are all a bit useless - no?

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If there were so many of them and nobody could help then short of a miracle nothing else would.

But hey, I'm pro "killing" animals who pose a safety risk to others. Just like I'm pro imprisoning humans who are a danger to others too.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/03/2025 19:24

@Cat921 I suggest you ignore that poster now. And perhaps report the posts which clearly breach the "no personal attacks" rule.

Cat921 · 22/03/2025 19:20

whippy1981 · 22/03/2025 19:09

And so because they were shit at their job you just killed him because your wants were more important?

So name and shame them all - they took your money and didn't deliver. I'd report them as that is surely theft for not delivering a service. And given there were so many of them that means that they are all a bit useless - no?

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I have named the things we have done! There is only so much you can do when you have a dog that is very unpredictable and anxious! We had him for 14 years and protected him as much as we could! I really worry that there are people like you who think it is okay to be so unkind and think that every dog is trainable and every mental disorder whether in humans or animals is easy to cure. People suffer from anxiety and mental health issues then why is it hard to believe that animals can? I work with SEND children and understand that you have to sometimes remove triggers if they cannot be overcome.

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